Some in this thread side with your opinion, and some side with mine, so that's all is it.... An opinion
Debate is fun and partially what sports & even this forum is all about.
But J please do not tell me I don't know the NBA because I do know it very well, and also consider myself pretty good at capping it...
The problem with people and opinions around here is when they are confronted with any evidence, points of substance that run contrary to their opinion, rather than just be like "Oh I didn't know that" they have to double, triple and quadruple down.
For instance when you findout the Grizz allowed 95.4 per 100 possessions with Gasol on the court and that he played 35 mins a game for 80 games (the award is about who was the DPOY, not who is the best defender) you just ignore that stuff.
If you don't think he should've won that is fine I suppose, but to say it is a joke would lead many of us to think that comes from a lack of knowledge on your part regarding the subject. I'm not sure what you want the proper response to be...
Analytics, basic defense #s, eye test pretty much all point to Gasol being an elite defender this year.
If this place is so dead that we need people to just say crazy shit to get discussion started then thats pretty bad.
Apparently you never followed the gent hache when he used to post his nba plays. To question his knowledge about the game is as ignorant as the rest of your post. Anyone can look up stats. From what I have read it sounds like its others that are including themselves in this conversation who don't know anything themselves.
And he is right about Gasol. His point was that the voters knew James would win the MVP and they didn't feel good about giving him the defensive award too. A person that knows a lot about the NBA knows that there are plenty of better athletic defenders than that guy and those two reasons actually do make it laughable that he won just like the man said.
Correct. The winner is selected by a panel of 124 sportswriters and broadcasters throughout the United States and Canada, each of whom casts a vote for first, second and third place selections. Each first-place vote is worth five points; each second-place vote is worth three points; and each third-place vote is worth one point. The player with the highest point total, regardless of the number of first-place votes, wins the award.
Total waste of time, goal-post moving post.
There are a lot of these at the RX. I dunno, posting here is starting to bore me tremendously.
I guess I'll just be ignorant, thanks for your awesome insight.
You want me to take this thread in the direction I want to?
Ok I think Hache doesn't know shit and was trolling because this place is dead and this thread is now going on Page 3. Anyone who followed the NBA this year and doesn't conclude Gasol was a elite defensive player would have to be a total idiot.
Is that clearer for you? Anyone can lookup stats, LOL. God you say the dumbest shit.
Hache doesn't even know how the fuck DPOY is voted and we have to pretend because he posted some winners before that his argument holds up? Why can't we just conclude he's talking out of his ass? Why is that so hard around here.
No offense hache but if I'm going to be told my post is ignorant I need to illustrate why I'm not the ignorant 1 in this thread.
For those claiming that I don't know how the award is decided I ask them to get serious.
I'm pretty sure you all know good & well what I meant when I said the "NBA" and that those voters supposedly follow the NBA. (which I question)
Pats since you think I was trying to create traffic I moved this thread to the Rubber Room to prove that isn't true and you guys can say all the asinine things & name-calling you like down here where it's fair game.
We've been through the traffic issue anyhow and the activity a forum has or does not have in it's sub-forums tells the tale of how busy they are. And TheRx's sub-forums are and have always been extremely active.
I'm pretty sure you all know good & well what I meant when I said the "NBA" and that those voters supposedly follow the NBA. (which I question)
Pats since you think I was trying to create traffic I moved this thread to the Rubber Room to prove that isn't true and you guys can say all the asinine things & name-calling you like down here where it's fair game.
We've been through the traffic issue anyhow and the activity a forum has or does not have in it's sub-forums tells the tale of how busy they are. And TheRx's sub-forums are and have always been extremely active.
Historically I have always felt the NBA(writters)have done the best job of picking the correct players for its various season awards. I can't think of a time in the last 20 years where I thought they gave the MVP to the wrong person. The NFL on the other hand is a complete joke. There have been many times they have fucked up there awards. Purple Jesus had to practically part the Red Sea in week 17 to get the writers to correctly give him the award. The NBA is the only major sport that equally awards every position on the court. In the NFL if you are not a qb or a running back that has a historic season you are shit out of luck.
I know when I point this out you & whoever else who was using that stat as leverage will try & talk your way out of it, but here it goes anyhow....
That stat is misleading and useless.
Why you ask?
Because have you even stopped to think that when Gasol is on the bench, that the majority of the time the other starters are on the bench with him?!?
Which also means that when he is on the floor, most of the other 4 starters are on the floor with him.
Which in turn means just what I said earlier.... Memphis is a good defensive unit/team.
Or are they?
I could also use this argument:
Maybe they just play at such a slow pace (which they do) their games are always low-scoring.
A comparison.....
The Tampa Bay Bucs was at the top of the league last year in run defense.
That sounds good right when you first hear it and makes them sound like a pretty good defense.
But they also gave up the most passing yards to teams on defense and almost broke an NFL record for being the worst ever.
So did the Bucs leading the league in run-defense make them a good defense?
Absolutely not... It was misleading because teams could pass on them at will.... Just like the stat you used and the style of game Memphis plays.
The latter reason I gave you could be invalid, but the first fact I gave you that Gasol is usually on the floor, and off the floor, with his fell0w-starters is indeed valid.
Which once again means that stat means zilch and Memphis is good as a unit.
Ok is Gasol a pretty good defender?
Yeah maybe he is.
But to say and think he is the best defender in the league over all of the other talent is not even feasible...
hno:and they took 6 players??
Gasol barely made all 2nd team....
http://www.nba.com/2013/news/05/13/all-defensive-team-official-release/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpts
Gasol barely made all 2nd team....
http://www.nba.com/2013/news/05/13/all-defensive-team-official-release/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpts
