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[SheriffJoe]

1. Depression or not, the government's role is not to function as society's safety net. I know it's tough for you to wrap your head around that one since you seem to have been raised to believe government is the answer instead of the problem.

2. Since when is PETA a government agency?

3. As for the Constitutionality of programs like the EPA, please cite for me where in the constitution the government has the authority to regulate the environment. Or better yet, just admit you've never read the damn thing and I'll explain to you where your thought process is breaking down.

"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite.” - James Madison, Federalist No. 45

Chalk up public education as yet another totally failed left wing clusterfuck.

:neenee:

 

[JDeuce]

1. I have never said that Government was the "ANSWER." Welfare was and is needed in this country not to the degree it is now but it definitely was needed.
2. PETA is not a government agency but they have got funding and government grants. PETA was a great organization but has turned into some sort of radical cult for animals
3. My thought process isn't breaking down, you think everything that is done needs to be in the constitution? You don't think the EPA was needed?
4. I am waiting for your response on Southern Democrats? I'm talking about the dudes back in the day who were pro slavery? Were they liberal big government guys or were they right wing conservatives? How about the northern Republicans? Were they right wing conservatives or were they liberal?

1. That's your opinion...however, this country has survived when welfare programs were not in place. How's that possible?

2. And they never should have received a penny of government money in the first place. Just like other organizations, businesses, etc. I know you'd really like to label me as a fan of corporate bailouts...I'm not. That is also an unconstitutional use of monies.

3. I don't know about the rest of you, but to me...one of the most amusing train wrecks to watch is when someone tries to argue about a topic on which they're completely uneducated. So until you just admit you've never read the Constitution, I'll keep playing along. It's ok, though...the questions you're asking are a dead giveaway about the answer. It'd be like someone who claims to be a CPA saying they've never seen a balance sheet in their lives.

Whether you, I, Joe or the Tooth Fairy thinks the EPA was "needed" is completely irrelevant. Let's try backing into this. Can you tell me which came first in this country...the states, or the federal government? There's a reason I'm asking, so I'll await your reply.

4. Sigh. There was no such thing as big government liberals in the mid-1800s days of the Civil War because there were no big government programs back then. No welfare, no social security, no school lunches...hell, there wasn't even any income tax. Government intervention into business slowly began after the Civil War ended. But big government progressive bullshit didn't take off until the early 1900s with Woodrow Wilson's antitrust laws, then Hoover's stupid federal reserve policies played a huge role in causing the Great Depression. Everything kept snowballing under that cock sucker Roosevelt's New Deal, and LBJ's "Great Society" was the proverbial cherry on the shit sundae. That's a very general overview, but to answer your question...some southeners began leaving the dimocrap party when they became the party of tax and spend. It has nothing to do with some imaginary departure because they suddenly decided they were the party of promoting civil rights.

 

[JDeuce]

"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite.” - James Madison, Federalist No. 45

Chalk up public education as yet another totally failed left wing clusterfuck.

:neenee:

Barney the purple dinosaur isn't ready to comprehend what the Federalist Papers are or how they apply to the Constitution since he has never read the Constitution itself. One step at a time.

 

[SheriffJoe]

If the federal government can do whatever the hell it wants "because it's necessary" usurping individual state sovereignty, why have individual state governments in the first place? Why have local governments if some undemocratic federal agency can swoop in at anytime and usurp a local county sheriff's authority?

Just like the European Union - here you have a group of independent states that decided creating this loose border-less federation was a great idea - until their Frankenstein composed of unelected bureaucrats in Brussels started eroding individual state sovereignty and threatening national security at a level European citizens could have never dreamed of. Ever since then, it's been once crisis after another (bankruptcies, bailouts, illegals flooding their countries, terrorism and now succession).

As if Progressives didn't learn from the humiliating collapse of their Soviet Union, central planning has never worked and will never work. A little bit of it is a drag. A lot of it is fatal.

Defy.

Rebel.

Disobey.

Oppose.

Refuse.

Resist.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

EPA Was necessary, I do think they are a bit extreme. The Constitution is over 200 years old, the forefathers couldn't have envisioned that man was going to try and deplete the environment. Someone had to regulate it.

The EPA has single handedly tried to destroy the coal industry because of carbon emissions.


When coal was king, it fueled more than half of the nation’s electricity. Jobs in the industry once numbered more than 400,000.


Destroying the coal industry is good for America and its citizens? I think not.

 

[JDeuce]

If the federal government can do whatever the hell it wants "because it's necessary" usurping individual state sovereignty, why have individual state governments in the first place? Why have local governments if some undemocratic federal agency can swoop in at anytime and usurp a local county sheriff's authority?

Better yet, why have a Constitution at all? If we are governed by the federal government's authority to implement broad and sweeping policies based on whatever they feel is in the best interest of society, then the contents of the Constitution are completely meaningless and unnecessary. Understanding why is fairly straight-forward. Small-minded dipshits might understand if they ever got around to reading the document.

On a related note, a friend of mine is a prof at a local community college down here in Miami and they're looking for someone to teach a basic American civics class part time in the evenings this fall. This place is not quite Puget Sound-level excellence and pedigree, but close. I don't have a teaching degree, but am half tempted to look into it and teach these poor students what the real deal is...not the twisted version these academia morons are feeding students nowadays. Oh, speaking of taking kids to class...

Hey Purple, please don't tell me you're still researching whether the states or federal government came first in this country? It's a very simple and basic civics question.

 

[BleedingPurple]

1. That's your opinion...however, this country has survived when welfare programs were not in place. How's that possible?

2. And they never should have received a penny of government money in the first place. Just like other organizations, businesses, etc. I know you'd really like to label me as a fan of corporate bailouts...I'm not. That is also an unconstitutional use of monies.

3. I don't know about the rest of you, but to me...one of the most amusing train wrecks to watch is when someone tries to argue about a topic on which they're completely uneducated. So until you just admit you've never read the Constitution, I'll keep playing along. It's ok, though...the questions you're asking are a dead giveaway about the answer. It'd be like someone who claims to be a CPA saying they've never seen a balance sheet in their lives.

Whether you, I, Joe or the Tooth Fairy thinks the EPA was "needed" is completely irrelevant. Let's try backing into this. Can you tell me which came first in this country...the states, or the federal government? There's a reason I'm asking, so I'll await your reply.

4. Sigh. There was no such thing as big government liberals in the mid-1800s days of the Civil War because there were no big government programs back then. No welfare, no social security, no school lunches...hell, there wasn't even any income tax. Government intervention into business slowly began after the Civil War ended. But big government progressive bullshit didn't take off until the early 1900s with Woodrow Wilson's antitrust laws, then Hoover's stupid federal reserve policies played a huge role in causing the Great Depression. Everything kept snowballing under that cock sucker Roosevelt's New Deal, and LBJ's "Great Society" was the proverbial cherry on the shit sundae. That's a very general overview, but to answer your question...some southeners began leaving the dimocrap party when they became the party of tax and spend. It has nothing to do with some imaginary departure because they suddenly decided they were the party of promoting civil rights.

1. The country would have probably survived without them but they were desperately needed especially during the depression and for those who lost husbands and fathers in the war.
2. PETA is really over board now, I wouldn't label you as a fan of corporate bailouts. PETA should stick to be a smaller organization and being there when there is a true need.
3. I have read the constitution but it was many years ago, probably when I was a tyke. I don't keep up with it on a regular basis. the states came first.
4. There wasnt big government, but you make it sound like the democrats back then weren't the conservative party.

 

[BleedingPurple]

The EPA has single handedly tried to destroy the coal industry because of carbon emissions.


When coal was king, it fueled more than half of the nation’s electricity. Jobs in the industry once numbered more than 400,000.


Destroying the coal industry is good for America and its citizens? I think not.

EPA has gone nuts over the years. I am one for the Keystone Pipeline

 

[JDeuce]

1. The country would have probably survived without them but they were desperately needed especially during the depression and for those who lost husbands and fathers in the war.
2. PETA is really over board now, I wouldn't label you as a fan of corporate bailouts. PETA should stick to be a smaller organization and being there when there is a true need.
3. I have read the constitution but it was many years ago, probably when I was a tyke. I don't keep up with it on a regular basis. the states came first.
4. There wasnt big government, but you make it sound like the democrats back then weren't the conservative party.

1. Whatever, debatable.

2. See my answer to 1.

3. Good girl, the states did indeed come first. So now please tell me since the states came first, at what point in history did those states agree to give up their sovereignty in exchange for a federal government that would reimpose itself on their state-based decision making?

4. The mindset of today's dims to those of the 1800s isn't necessarily a direct comparison. But R's were the party of equal rights (and even went as far as to fight a Civil War over it) while the D's were the segregation party. That much is not deniable...and even holds true on many levels today.