LeBron 25+ ppg for 20th straight season

[PatsFanatic]

Also LeBron could've averaged 30+ a lot more if that's all he focused on.

He is more of an all-around player than MJ

Hell LeBron averaged 30 in Year 19 lol just nuts

Disagree with all of this, especially the bolded part. From someone who watched both play they're entire careers I could never believe this. The main difference was when MJ played he was far better than anyone else. There may have been a better passer, better defender, better shooter, but no one came close to the entire package as Michael did. This is why he was and still is worshipped. I've never thought Lebron was that much better than the other superstars the NBA had to offer during his time, I just don't. If Lebron could have averaged 30+ a lot more (while still winning) he would have. But he hasn't, because he couldn't. Jordan is the most like Brady, you put a few guys around him and you'll win. No one on this planet has ever thought that about LBJ. He had to head for higher ground to get his Chips.

Not to mention that the officiating was WAY better during MJ's time, they made guys earn they're points and they called traveling. Getting 3 steps to 2 makes it a different game. I mean these street ballers have to call it a "gather step" just to jusify them taking 3 steps and traveling. It really is a joke. Also, there was no metirc saying a 3 pt shot is better than a 2pt shot. You know why that metric exists right? Its cause no one plays defense anymore, especially 25 feet from the hoop. You take the ball to the hoop now it will ALWAYS be a defensive foul. A guy oculd jump straight up and the whistle comes. Offensive players make most of the contact these days and get rewarded for it. So now players don't work as hard at defense and I don't blame them. Most players have considerably worse fundamentals now. Hell, the Celtics have a superstar making 60 Million a year who literally struggles dribbling the ball. Its just a different game and I can't name one friend of mine who says its "better".

MJ did it during the toughest of times and he swept the finals with the same team. Extra points for that.

On top of this who could route for a guy who flops like a baby when hit. Dude is so physically gifted and acts like a child, its embarrasing for the sport (and him).

 

[festeringZit]

Disagree with all of this, especially the bolded part. From someone who watched both play they're entire careers I could never believe this. The main difference was when MJ played he was far better than anyone else. There may have been a better passer, better defender, better shooter, but no one came close to the entire package as Michael did. This is why he was and still is worshipped. I've never thought Lebron was that much better than the other superstars the NBA had to offer during his time, I just don't. If Lebron could have averaged 30+ a lot more (while still winning) he would have. But he hasn't, because he couldn't. Jordan is the most like Brady, you put a few guys around him and you'll win. No one on this planet has ever thought that about LBJ. He had to head for higher ground to get his Chips.

Not to mention that the officiating was WAY better during MJ's time, they made guys earn they're points and they called traveling. Getting 3 steps to 2 makes it a different game. I mean these street ballers have to call it a "gather step" just to jusify them taking 3 steps and traveling. It really is a joke. Also, there was no metirc saying a 3 pt shot is better than a 2pt shot. You know why that metric exists right? Its cause no one plays defense anymore, especially 25 feet from the hoop. You take the ball to the hoop now it will ALWAYS be a defensive foul. A guy oculd jump straight up and the whistle comes. Offensive players make most of the contact these days and get rewarded for it. So now players don't work as hard at defense and I don't blame them. Most players have considerably worse fundamentals now. Hell, the Celtics have a superstar making 60 Million a year who literally struggles dribbling the ball. Its just a different game and I can't name one friend of mine who says its "better".

MJ did it during the toughest of times and he swept the finals with the same team. Extra points for that.

On top of this who could route for a guy who flops like a baby when hit. Dude is so physically gifted and acts like a child, its embarrasing for the sport (and him).

You fucking nailed it here. Agree with every single thing you said.

 

[festeringZit]

And... Jordan was a much better defender than CaBron. Talk about all-around player, Jordan won defensive player of the year and led the league in scoring in 1988 - he also led the league in steals per game that year.

 

[Avocado33]

Disagree with all of this, especially the bolded part. From someone who watched both play they're entire careers I could never believe this. The main difference was when MJ played he was far better than anyone else. There may have been a better passer, better defender, better shooter, but no one came close to the entire package as Michael did. This is why he was and still is worshipped.

What does the gap between MJ and the rest of the league do to assess them as all-around players? The league is more competitive than it ever has been -- it's much deeper and talented. People who played WITH MJ and others in his era even say this.

LeBron is clearly a better a passer and rebounder than MJ ever was, and that is a fact. LeBron has been the best passer, scorer, and defender in the NBA all at the same time.

He couldn't have? LeBron looked to play-make and make the right basketball play. If he hounded the ball and was coached by someone like D'Antoni, he probably would have had some seasons around 35 ppg. If James Harden can do it, so can LeBron (or a Curry for that matter).

 

[Avocado33]

If Lebron could have averaged 30+ a lot more (while still winning) he would have. But he hasn't, because he couldn't. Jordan is the most like Brady, you put a few guys around him and you'll win. No one on this planet has ever thought that about LBJ. He had to head for higher ground to get his Chips.

Based off of what? If LeBron James wanted to be like James Harden and just dominate the ball, he could have.

LeBron was drafted by a dog shit franchise. He joined teams that were .500 or around there to "win his rings"

The Bulls were contenders WITHOUT MJ

That is a fact

 

[Avocado33]

Not to mention that the officiating was WAY better during MJ's time, they made guys earn they're points and they called traveling. Getting 3 steps to 2 makes it a different game. I mean these street ballers have to call it a "gather step" just to jusify them taking 3 steps and traveling. It really is a joke. Also, there was no metirc saying a 3 pt shot is better than a 2pt shot. You know why that metric exists right? Its cause no one plays defense anymore, especially 25 feet from the hoop. You take the ball to the hoop now it will ALWAYS be a defensive foul. A guy oculd jump straight up and the whistle comes. Offensive players make most of the contact these days and get rewarded for it. So now players don't work as hard at defense and I don't blame them. Most players have considerably worse fundamentals now. Hell, the Celtics have a superstar making 60 Million a year who literally struggles dribbling the ball. Its just a different game and I can't name one friend of mine who says its "better".

I think there are certain players who can manipulate the rules (Harden, SGA, Embiid), but officiating is pretty hands-off come playoff time

As far as analytics are concerned, the move to more 3-point shooting isn't surprising. Most metrics would say you need a combination of both, but obviously it makes sense that 3-point shooting would evolve given your expected points on a 3 is greater than your expected points on a midrange jumper

I don't really understand the rest of it. In fact fundamentals are obviously better now. It's harder to play defense when all 5 guys can score/shoot on a lot of teams

Bill Lambeer wouldn't play in today's league. There were guys like that (Rodman) who had NO fundamentals, no offensive game. You could play offensively challenged guys back in the day

(Lambeer says LeBron is the GOAT btw)

 

[Avocado33]

Bill Lambeer was known as an "enforcer"

Yet LeBron is Lambeer's size, except with speed and actual basketball skills

 

[Avocado33]

And... Jordan was a much better defender than CaBron. Talk about all-around player, Jordan won defensive player of the year and led the league in scoring in 1988 - he also led the league in steals per game that year.

Jordan and LeBron were both considered the best defender in the NBA at their peaks

LeBron was like 2 votes from winning DPOY, finished second 3 times. Considered the best in the league by most.

 

[Avocado33]

Even on top of all of that

Not sure how anyone can hate on a guy getting 25+ ppg for his 20th consecutive season lol

Just arm chair angry old school folks

 

[Greenbacks]

LeSweep

 

[festeringZit]

Even on top of all of that

Not sure how anyone can hate on a guy getting 25+ ppg for his 20th consecutive season lol

Just arm chair angry old school folks

Lol. Cabron is constantly being voted the most hated athlete out there. Maybe it has nothing to do with people being arm-chair or old or angry? Maybe Cabron is just a whiny douche bag? Did you ever consider that?

And, it wouldn't surprise me if he's been cheating all along by taking PEDs.

 

[Avocado33]

Lol. Cabron is constantly being voted the most hated athlete out there. Maybe it has nothing to do with people being arm-chair or old or angry? Maybe Cabron is just a whiny douche bag? Did you ever consider that?

And, it wouldn't surprise me if he's been cheating all along by taking PEDs.

Oh he's a douche? Didn't know that. Ok, he sucks at basketball then!

 

[Avocado33]

And, it wouldn't surprise me if he's been cheating all along by taking PEDs.

I guess it's just as likely as MJ taking PEDs

 

[RayFinkel]

Basketball is a non-contact pussy sport that should be played by young girls or homosexuals with dark skin that cannot swim.

In other words IT SUCKS

 

[CHOPTALK]

I always find it funny how people say Jordan played his entire career with a bunch of plugs as teammates

The bulls core was amazing

Lebron has never had a team as well rounded as the bulls teams he played on during the 6 titles

Not even Miami wirh Wade and Bosh

Lebron would have probably won 9 straight titles back then because he would not have done the 3 year retirement thing

 

[Willie99]

Poppycock

He misses and passes when MJ won games. It's not rocket science

MJ played with roll players. Lebron wants to be surrounded by stars. He'll never live down what he did with Wade and Bosh in my eyes. Three superstars shopping themselves together to the highest bidder. Never before, never since, in any major American sport

And if MJ played as long as Lebron, he'd have ten titles

 

[REDEYE]

Poppycock

He misses and passes when MJ won games. It's not rocket science

MJ played with roll players. Lebron wants to be surrounded by stars. He'll never live down what he did with Wade and Bosh in my eyes. Three superstars shopping themselves together to the highest bidder. Never before, never since, in any major American sport

And if MJ played as long as Lebron, he'd have ten titles

Not even close as far as I'm concerned.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Poppycock

He misses and passes when MJ won games. It's not rocket science

MJ played with roll players. Lebron wants to be surrounded by stars. He'll never live down what he did with Wade and Bosh in my eyes. Three superstars shopping themselves together to the highest bidder. Never before, never since, in any major American sport

And if MJ played as long as Lebron, he'd have ten titles

A bunch of role players that are in the Hall of Fame

 

[Avocado33]

I always find it funny how people say Jordan played his entire career with a bunch of plugs as teammates

The bulls core was amazing

Lebron has never had a team as well rounded as the bulls teams he played on during the 6 titles

Not even Miami wirh Wade and Bosh

Lebron would have probably won 9 straight titles back then because he would not have done the 3 year retirement thing

The Bulls core was amazing, and the pieces fit together perfectly

Not to mention he did have stars on his team. Scottie was 100% a superstar, MVP candidate without MJ and the Bulls were NBA Title contenders while MJ played baseball

MJ never won anything without him

Take LeBron off of any team he's played for and the best case scenario is probably fringe playoff team (Heat).

And in a couple cases when LeBron left, the Cavs became the worst team in the league instantly with most of the same pieces.

 

[festeringZit]

Jordan and LeBron were both considered the best defender in the NBA at their peaks

LeBron was like 2 votes from winning DPOY, finished second 3 times. Considered the best in the league by most.

If he was considered the best defender in the league by most, why did he never win DPOY?