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Oh, another thing, and remember it well: IF THE VOTE REALLY MEANT ANYTHING,THEY'D DECLARE IT ILLEGAL.
 

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Another thing, and remember this well: If the vote REALLY meant anything they'd declare it illegal.
 

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Jim Arre...I wish you well in your life of self-loathing. Go join the Muslims and other American self-haters at the local Starbucks where your horseshit will fall on friendly ears. Take care now. Bye-bye then.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jim arre:
And you're proud to be an American?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You asking a question like that implies that you are not proud to be an American. If that is the case, you are a confused individual and I'd like to wring your neck. By being born an American, as less than one-in-20 people are in the world, I hit the lottery, you little asshole. This is the greatest country on earth to be in. If you don't think so, you are not worthy of occupying space on the American soil that you are defiling at this very moment.

I am an American. Americans will not apoligize to anyone for who they are and what they stand for or what America wants. STOP being seduced by all this left-wing bullshit and pull yourself together before it's too late.

By being born American, you have hit the lottery. Now, be man enough to cash in your ticket.
 

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AMER: There are red ants and there are black ants, and they're both natural-born enemies. Natural-born enemies will do what they do, and that's f*ck each other up. If you can grasp that concept, things will start making more sense.

BAR: Well last I checked, neither you or I are ants. And no humans are 'natural born enemies' to anything or anyone. If you don't believe me, take an Iraqi baby and an American baby and put them side by side. Neither will view the other as an enemy.

Viewing others as enemies is a learned behavior.

If that's what you believe, you might want to reexamine your learning.

You've been had.
 

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You asking a question like that implies that you are not proud to be an American.
Incomprehension. That's not so far fetched. It is equally shameful, embarrassing and pitiful that America hasn't used it's power to help all of mankind enjoy a better world. Are we lucky that we're powerful? Sure, I guess, but power hardly equates to altruism - in fact, it more often manifests from the opposite. Further more, it would seem to be entirely possible to be embarrassed of certain US actions (policy) and proud of others.

If that is the case, you are a confused individual and I'd like to wring your neck.
Distraction. This has little to do with another man's opinion. Unless, of course, you are seeking to "liberate" Jim?

By being born an American, as less than one-in-20 people are in the world, I hit the lottery, you little asshole.
Exaggeration. I have yet to see a standard lottery with 1/20 jackpot odds.
btw - great sense of awareness. Appox 1 in 21 earthlings are also "Americans" (US).

This is the greatest country on earth to be in. If you don't think so, you are not worthy of occupying space on the American soil that you are defiling at this very moment.
Subjection. Greatest country is a subject term. My personal opinion is that the "greatest country" (in your sense of the word) is best defined by "highest quality of living." The US is not ranked #1 in this category in any "highest quality of living" surveys that I have encountered.
http://www.aneki.com/quality.html US #6
In fact, the CIA states that Norway is arguably the country with the "highest quality of life." ( http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/no.html )

"The Norwegian economy is a prosperous bastion of welfare capitalism, featuring a combination of free market activity and government intervention. The government controls key areas, such as the vital petroleum sector (through large-scale state enterprises). The country is richly endowed with natural resources - petroleum, hydropower, fish, forests, and minerals - and is highly dependent on its oil production and international oil prices; in 1999, oil and gas accounted for 35% of exports. Only Saudi Arabia and Russia export more oil than Norway. Norway opted to stay out of the EU during a referendum in November 1994. The government has moved ahead with privatization. With arguably the highest quality of life worldwide, Norwegians still worry about that time in the next two decades when the oil and gas begin to run out. Accordingly, Norway has been saving its oil-boosted budget surpluses in a Government Petroleum Fund, which is invested abroad and now is valued at more than $43 billion. GDP growth was a lackluster 1% in 2002 and 2003 against the background of a faltering European economy. "

I am an American. Americans will not apoligize to anyone for who they are and what they stand for or what America wants.
Fiction. Several Americans have already done exactly what you claim Americans will not do.

STOP being seduced by all this left-wing bullshit and pull yourself together before it's too late.
Unsubstantial. No evidence has been offered that the "left-wing" is either "(composed of) bullshit" or a threat to Jim.

By being born American, you have hit the lottery.
Fiction (would also be subjective if actually factual). Again, this is an ignorant statment and hardly symbolic enough to be excused for a weak metaphor.

Now, be man enough to cash in your ticket.
Unsubstantial. Let me get this straight - being handed the best opportunity (as you clearly imply) is being a "man?" There is no evidence that the well-off are more "manly" than the less-fortunate.

[This message was edited by lander on May 05, 2004 at 08:14 PM.]
 

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lander sorry your post way to long.didnt read it so i will say this.bite me you scummy canuck.i hope in iraq they find something for my adult a.d.d.
 

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LANDER, you and I don't always share points of view (notably abortion it seems), but I appreciate your extremely cogent manner of presentation when you're so inclined.

I can always learn from someone who can communicate without ad hominem distractions.

Keep jammin'
 

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Not that it matters with regards to "free speech", but I am actually an American.
Always have been.
 

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Lander, if you can dazzle them with your brilliance than baffle them with bullshit like you just did with the former post.

He suggested that I should not be proud to be an American, and I launched my editorial response. Because my response is my opinion, it is not refutable by you or anyone else. That's my line for the moment, and your oppressive conscious is going to have to live with it.
 

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Lander, if you can dazzle them with your brilliance than baffle them with bullshit like you just did with the former post.
Oh, the irony.

American, if I may, let me suggest a few tips -
1. I do not recommend the ad hominem attack as it's very nature depicts the attacker as inferior and incapable of substantial debate.
2. If, despite my warnings, you feel compeled to proceed with such an attack - please, ensure that you use proper grammar when attacking another's intellect. Remember, unwavering "pride for America" implies unwavering "pride" for it's ways - and, American, proper English is "our way."

He suggested that I should not be proud to be an American, and I launched my editorial response.
Right. Although I appreciate the recap, I assure you that I am a relatively comprehensive reader. (In other words - no shit)

Because my response is my opinion, it is not refutable by you or anyone else.
I admit that your implied universal law that "opinions cannot be refuted" is somewhat interesting, but it seemingly carries as much substance as your previous posts. "Refuting", by definition, is the act of "proving to be false", thus it would seem that is entirely possible to refute opinions as they may be contained as subset of falsehoods. In fact, it's relatively difficult to refute anything except opinion because non-opinions are essentially facts, and by definition a fact, being true, is unable to be "proven to be false."

That's my line for the moment, and your oppressive conscious is going to have to live with it.
Indeed.
 

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Another screaming drive right back thru the box which splits the pitchers legs and drives in two.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lander:
_Lander, if you can dazzle them with your brilliance than baffle them with bullshit like you just did with the former post._
Oh, the irony.

American, if I may, let me suggest a few tips -
1. I do not recommend the ad hominem attack as it's very nature depicts the attacker as inferior and incapable of substantial debate.
2. If, despite my warnings, you feel compeled to proceed with such an attack - please, ensure that you use proper grammar when attacking another's intellect. Remember, unwavering "pride for America" implies unwavering "pride" for it's ways - and, American, proper English is "our way."

_He suggested that I should not be proud to be an American, and I launched my editorial response._
Right. Although I appreciate the recap, I assure you that I am a relatively comprehensive reader. (In other words - no shit)

_Because my response is my opinion, it is not refutable by you or anyone else._
I admit that your implied universal law that "opinions cannot be refuted" is somewhat interesting, but it seemingly carries as much substance as your previous posts. "Refuting", by definition, is the act of "proving to be false", thus it would seem that is entirely possible to refute opinions as they may be contained as subset of falsehoods. In fact, it's relatively difficult to refute anything except opinion because non-opinions are essentially facts, and by definition a fact, being true, is unable to be "proven to be false."

_That's my line for the moment, and your oppressive conscious is going to have to live with it._
Indeed.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sweet Lord, Lander...you and your long-winded piece of shit responses. The true comedy is that you actually take so much time and care analyzing, disecting and preparing your response. Don't buy that ticket to Norway just yet, Lander. You're still an American. Now cash in on your winning ticket, and stop spewing leftist propaganda.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by barman:
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Another screaming drive right back thru the box which splits the pitchers legs and drives in two.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What did anyone get from those posts of his, other than that he disagrees? Anyone could do the same little disecting game with his long-winded, substance lacking posts.

(Proper English...no shit...he defines "refute"...indeed) That was brilliant.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>That was brilliant. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL - Coming from the author of the "red ants and black ants" metaphor.


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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lander:
Incomprehension. That's not so far fetched. It is equally shameful, embarrassing and pitiful that America hasn't used it's power to help all of mankind enjoy a better world. Are we lucky that we're powerful? Sure, I guess, but power hardly equates to altruism - in fact, it more often manifests from the opposite. Further more, it would seem to be entirely possible to be embarrassed of certain US actions (policy) and proud of others.

I didn't fail to comprehend where he was coming from. Then you make a weak arguement about how the U.S. doesn't go and help the world be a better place (you opinion presented as fact). Boo hoo.[/b]

Distraction. This has little to do with another man's opinion. Unless, of course, you are seeking to "liberate" Jim?

I did a personal dig on Jim. Lander ingeniously sees this and points it out.


Exaggeration. I have yet to see a standard lottery with 1/20 jackpot odds.
btw - great sense of awareness. Appox 1 in 21 earthlings are also "Americans" (US).

Lander kind of agreed, although he didn't like my use of the word "lottery" when I used it as a synonym for someone who is fortunate

Subjection. Greatest country is a subject term. My personal opinion is that the "greatest country" (in your sense of the word) is best defined by "highest quality of living." The US is not ranked #1 in this category in any "highest quality of living" surveys that I have encountered.
http://www.aneki.com/quality.html US #6
In fact, the CIA states that Norway is arguably the country with the "highest quality of life." ( http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/no.html )

_"The Norwegian economy is a prosperous bastion of welfare capitalism, featuring a combination of free market activity and government intervention. The government controls key areas, such as the vital petroleum sector (through large-scale state enterprises). The country is richly endowed with natural resources - petroleum, hydropower, fish, forests, and minerals - and is highly dependent on its oil production and international oil prices; in 1999, oil and gas accounted for 35% of exports. Only Saudi Arabia and Russia export more oil than Norway. Norway opted to stay out of the EU during a referendum in November 1994. The government has moved ahead with privatization. With arguably the highest quality of life worldwide, Norwegians still worry about that time in the next two decades when the oil and gas begin to run out. Accordingly, Norway has been saving its oil-boosted budget surpluses in a Government Petroleum Fund, which is invested abroad and now is valued at more than $43 billion. GDP growth was a lackluster 1% in 2002 and 2003 against the background of a faltering European economy. "_

Agrues that Norway is No.1 in the world. That is an opinion of one study. There are others that list other countries, some of them listing the U.S. as the best country to live as well. They are opinions, just like my saying the U.S. is the greatest place in the world is my opinion, obviously.

Fiction. Several Americans have already done exactly what you claim Americans will not do.

And who are these idiots apologizing to, Lander? I guess I should start apologizing for you.


Unsubstantial. No evidence has been offered that the "left-wing" is either "(composed of) bullshit" or a threat to Jim.

Oh, ok. The left doesn't go far enough to be accused of spewing bullshit? PLEASE. Sell it to Michael Moore.

_By being born American, you have hit the lottery._
Fiction (would also be subjective if actually factual). Again, this is an ignorant statment and hardly symbolic enough to be excused for a weak metaphor.

Are you kidding?


Unsubstantial. Let me get this straight - being handed the best opportunity (as you clearly imply) is being a "man?" There is no evidence that the well-off are more "manly" than the less-fortunate.

It means one has a great opportunity at a good life being born American. Get one's ass off the fence and go for it and quit loathing oneself. That was unsolicited advice from American.

[This message was edited by lander on May 05, 2004 at 08:14 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lander, your comebacks, armed with you thesaurus, BLOW. You blow too.
My opinion is just as good as yours. ONE MAN, ONE VOTE YOU SON OF A BITCH!!!

[This message was edited by American on May 05, 2004 at 11:59 PM.]

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wilheim:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>That was brilliant. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL - Coming from the author of the "red ants and black ants" metaphor.


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I understand cultural differences in a way that you apparently don't. Why do you think people have been warring with each other since humans came to exist?

Oh God, I'm such a crude bastard, such an Anti-Christ to suggest that some cultures of people are natural enemies. Meanwhile, your friends over in the middle-east are running around screaming "Kill all infidels!!!" Oh, ok...there's no such thing as natural-born enemies. (Whatever makes you sleep better.)
 

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First off - WIL LMAO

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AMER: Why do you think people have been warring with each other since humans came to exist?

BAR: That's your misperception that we're inviting you to reconsider.

Only certain humans have been warring against other humans. The vast, vast majority of human beings have no interest in warring with others.

"Natural born" implies a biological implant of some kind. Thus it is an inappropriate modifier for what you're trying to describe.

And that is, I believe, your perception that certain races and/or ethic groups are inexorably drawn to warring with other certain races and/or ethnic groups.

In less enlightened times, there may have been a modicum of truth to that. However in the 21st century, it's an axiom that is easily disproved. Note the huge melting pot of people across both the U.S. and also the rest of the world that live together with great harmony.

It is only when one party or another introduces violence into the relationship that people 'war'.

In Iraq 2003, the United States of America introduced the violence and bloodshed. All violence in Iraq during the subsequent 13 months is a byproduct of our invasion.

That's man-made, not 'natural-born'. And that's great news, because man-made mistakes can be corrected, while natural-born characteristics often cannot.

That is, unless those who made the initial mistake ignore their error and just keep pounding their head against the wall, hoping to break thru the concrete.

Sadly though, it's not the heads of Bush and Co that are being pounded to dust..it's my friends, family and neighbors and yours as well. I'm startled that you're you don't seem even remotely angry about those who have sent your own friends, family and neighbors to their violent, unneeded deaths.

(Proving that LANDER is not the only one capable of lengthy exhalations in the pursuit of truth and accuracy.)

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