Of course it was a bad line. It was a terrible line! But that doesn't mean it's what they intended to put out there. If they were moving the line by how the action came in, then they were already on top of it. When it got to be too much of a liability, even at -180, they took action, and claim it was Ohio St. Bullshit. I don't care what Fezzik says.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by IDENTITY:
HTRC - sure losses at colorado and texas tech? i don't think so, sir. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Well maybe not a sure loss at Colo with all the turmoil there but TTech is definitely a loss....Okla State has NO REAL GOOD SKILL PLAYERS left
HTRC - sure losses at colorado and texas tech? i don't think so, sir. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Well maybe not a sure loss at Colo with all the turmoil there but TTech is definitely a loss....Okla State has NO REAL GOOD SKILL PLAYERS left
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>What makes Pinny better than any other top tier book?? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>couldnt agree more. I cant get over how overhyped this place is. very good book, dont get me wrong. but people make it sound like they are miles and miles above everyone else who has ever taken a wager.
The bet was cancelled before the event, the only reason people are so mad about this is because they knew it was a bad line, and wanted a shot at it.
Pinny has the right to cancel any wager and they enforced it, if you don't like it move to another book, but i can say right away, that no book will honor a bad line, there are cases when bets have been cancelled after the event, this is not the case.
Pinny has the right to cancel any wager and they enforced it, if you don't like it move to another book, but i can say right away, that no book will honor a bad line, there are cases when bets have been cancelled after the event, this is not the case.
This is the toughest situation I have seen for some time. The line was hung wrong, a Pinnacle mistake for sure. But what bothers me is that they did not catch it, and let it get hit, and move, hit and move. Think about it, the other lines probably were getting minimal if any action, but this one line is getting crushed. Possibly if not probably by scalpers. What were the people at Pinny thinking while this was going on? Everybody likes the under? What does it take to have someone there look at the line that is getting buried and say, better check if number is right? Luckily I am not directly involved. In my career I have seen Pinny hang numbers wayout, off of everyone else's, immediate scalps. You are sometimes unsure, even in this case, is that number for real? In this cases people hit first, ask questions later. My problem is both were Pinnacle mistakes. Hanging a wrong number is a bonehead move, careless but excusable. Everyone does it. But the second transgression, much more serious is to let it get pounded, for hours, and move it how many times, without a clue. That just makes the first mistake into a huge gigantic mistake. I am not disagreeing with Fezzik, just to disagree, but this one is gray area. A book has to have some accountability. Posting a bad line is forgivable, but to let it get steamed without a clue? Who the hell was minding the store? Pinnacle had better sitdown and figure how to prevent that from happening again. Not a good showing by any means...Best Wishes...OF
Good points Frog. I would agree that it probably wasn't so incredibly abnormal that it shouldn't have been played by people. I do think though that them cancelling it for what was a legitimate reason(wrong team) and then hanging a number out there on a team they weren't planning on is a well handled situation. I would say this. College football research is not something everyone is in full swing with just yet. The main guy in charge of futures may not have been there at the time. They sure could have have noticed the mistake more quickly, no doubt about it, however it is going to take a certain amount of action for them to even have reason to take a look at why they are getting hit so hard. I do apologize to Mr. Feist. Although I strongly disagree with your opinion, I shouldn't have called you an annoyance. Everyone entitled to their opinion.
Watch now. Okie St. has a fair shot to win them all (8) except for "amen corner". 10/16 at Missouri, 10/30 Oklahoma, 11/6 at Texas. Upset needed.
Whoops not even a prayer. Pinny must protect its house and could care less about all of this bitching and bawling. Doesn't matter who says what to whom.
Whoops not even a prayer. Pinny must protect its house and could care less about all of this bitching and bawling. Doesn't matter who says what to whom.
I disagree, it does matter. Pinny is a scalp shop. Anyone disagree with that? So you pull trigger on their number, and get other side. They move juice and not number, but you like the spot and do it again. Now Pinny has moved line, taken action and oops, wrong line. Cancelled. Now what do you do with other side? My point was accountability. Scalpers now have a seed of doubt, and think twice and getting a position, to get other side and have rug pulled out from under you. Betting is a two way street. The players also need to protect themselves. I promise you this, they do care about a situation like this, because credibility is at stake no matter what...Best Wishes...OF
What does matter to Pinny is people/bettors trust their lines.
What does matter to Pinny is people/bettors trust their lines.
I was thinking kinda like Frog....why leave that line out all day to get hammered, nobody there sees it, then at the end of the day say "It must have been an error line.".....
The best evidence that Pinny may have made an honest mistake would be to look at the rotation number and compare it to other books and if this is a standard rotation used by many books, then the case could be made that Okie State should have been typed into another slot in the rotation....if this is indeed an alphabetical listing or the rotations are standard and identical in thier listing then the case could be made for an honest error....
But then like Frog said and I eluded to above....why watch it get pounded through the roof all day and then decide to put the fire out?
Oh, BTW...Okie State is going undefeated this year!
....Just kidding, guys..
The best evidence that Pinny may have made an honest mistake would be to look at the rotation number and compare it to other books and if this is a standard rotation used by many books, then the case could be made that Okie State should have been typed into another slot in the rotation....if this is indeed an alphabetical listing or the rotations are standard and identical in thier listing then the case could be made for an honest error....
But then like Frog said and I eluded to above....why watch it get pounded through the roof all day and then decide to put the fire out?
Oh, BTW...Okie State is going undefeated this year!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fezzik:
Has everyone been drinking all night?
Now they are posting "8.5" was as good a line as "6". How incompetent is that? The true line should be around 6.5. 8.5 should be under -350.
Anyone want to bet me and take the over 8.5, +300? Didn't think so! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Agreed, the line ended up being bad and wrong. Or the juice. I would use the word careless on that. Incompetent is letting it get whacked over and over for hours, and not knowing why. You can't analyze every line move but on a win/loss future? That is incompetence at the highest level. If I was Pinny's management, I would be livid at this entire fiasco. Bottom line here, who made the mistakes? Best Wishes...OF
Hard to defend the book when they were totally asleep or comatose to incoming action.
Has everyone been drinking all night?
Now they are posting "8.5" was as good a line as "6". How incompetent is that? The true line should be around 6.5. 8.5 should be under -350.
Anyone want to bet me and take the over 8.5, +300? Didn't think so! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Agreed, the line ended up being bad and wrong. Or the juice. I would use the word careless on that. Incompetent is letting it get whacked over and over for hours, and not knowing why. You can't analyze every line move but on a win/loss future? That is incompetence at the highest level. If I was Pinny's management, I would be livid at this entire fiasco. Bottom line here, who made the mistakes? Best Wishes...OF
Hard to defend the book when they were totally asleep or comatose to incoming action.
2 things that stand out about this topic.
1. we all stayed on topic. ABSOLUTLY AMAZING, no name calling bad mouthing or schill accusing... thumbs up to all posters for staying on topic!!!
2. All the is shit storm over a wager that Jim NEVER PLACED. He just disgusted for whatever reason, i asked him on the other thread regarding this and no response as of yet.
1. we all stayed on topic. ABSOLUTLY AMAZING, no name calling bad mouthing or schill accusing... thumbs up to all posters for staying on topic!!!
2. All the is shit storm over a wager that Jim NEVER PLACED. He just disgusted for whatever reason, i asked him on the other thread regarding this and no response as of yet.
I think Pinnacle should be held to a higher standard. I have never had them come back on me taking a bet away (I don't bet known bad lines with them, but I do bet sports where I don't always know the correct line), and if they did I would be VERY pissed. Other books have done it to me and while I wasn't happy I accepted, but for all the money Pinnacle makes off of most player, I think they should just accept the bets and move on.
Also they don't let us cancel bets when we made in error, so I don't feel for them. Ok, this line was way off, but still bothers me a bit.
Also they don't let us cancel bets when we made in error, so I don't feel for them. Ok, this line was way off, but still bothers me a bit.
This situation bothers me. It's called sloppiness. Pinnacle is a solid book but they have some moronic policies and have become quite sloppy lately. As Frog brought up earlier, how the heck do you leave a number up for that long while people fire away? Wouldn't someone say "Maybe we better take a look at the price and make sure it's correct"?
When a prop like that is 2 1/2 games off, someone who saw that should have e-mailed Pinnacle and told them. I would say call them but Pinnacle hates phone calls. I have had to e-mail Pinnacle far too many times and point out incorrect start times for soccer games. I shouldn't have to do that. I just checked the Oklahoma State win total just for kicks. It's listed last but it should be in alphabetical order like all the other teams. That's a perfect example of being sloppy.
When a prop like that is 2 1/2 games off, someone who saw that should have e-mailed Pinnacle and told them. I would say call them but Pinnacle hates phone calls. I have had to e-mail Pinnacle far too many times and point out incorrect start times for soccer games. I shouldn't have to do that. I just checked the Oklahoma State win total just for kicks. It's listed last but it should be in alphabetical order like all the other teams. That's a perfect example of being sloppy.
Mizike, What was it that you asked me on the other thread?? If Carib did this I'd pull out quickly and post the same as I did bout Pinny! The stand I'm trying to make is being they posted this "BAD" line they should at least do something for there dedicated players that bet this! Something is going on with their lines in the last month or so! MUCH MUCH more moneymovement on all lines! Hey come on Mizike please tell me why did it take a +100 to -180 to realize their mistake?? Yes it was a mistake but they better watch themselves on their lines in the coming weeks!
