They revel in tragedy. It's what boosts their ranks. It's far easier to just lash out and irrationally hate, then it is to actually go about trying to solve a problem with thought, and what the proper action should be. Right after 911 I was on the path to be them. Then I came to my senses when I saw how damaging it was.
I am so sick and tired of Americans sticking up for Muslims .
Muslims are the single greatest threat and the root of over 90% of the worlds problems.
If Muslims did not exist this world would be a much better place.
Fuxk all Muslims .
There are some crazy Christians in this world.
But the good Christians always put them in their place before they get the chance to do anything truly insane in the grand scheme.
The so called good Muslims don't do anything besides tweet a few pretty tweets saying they don't like what the bad Muslims do but don't do anything to stop them.
They are all bad.
There is no such thing as a good one .
Just because you can google some stories about "some" Muslims verbally denouncing the bad ones does nothing for me.
I wish you clowns would stop defending them it makes you look dumb.
Muslims are the single greatest threat and the root of over 90% of the worlds problems.
If Muslims did not exist this world would be a much better place.
Fuxk all Muslims .
There are some crazy Christians in this world.
But the good Christians always put them in their place before they get the chance to do anything truly insane in the grand scheme.
The so called good Muslims don't do anything besides tweet a few pretty tweets saying they don't like what the bad Muslims do but don't do anything to stop them.
They are all bad.
There is no such thing as a good one .
Just because you can google some stories about "some" Muslims verbally denouncing the bad ones does nothing for me.
I wish you clowns would stop defending them it makes you look dumb.
Guesser.
You can't come up with a single real example of a "good"
muslim taking any real action to stop a bad Muslim.
Pretty words don't mean shit.
I tried to give "good" Muslim the benefit of the doubt for a long time but the evidence is just not there to give them any rope.
Actions speak much louder then words.
Supposedly there are so called just a small few bad ones compared to the good ones so it should be easy for the good ones to put the bad ones in its place.
So either there are a lot more bad Muslims then people like you admit or the "good" frankly don't give a shit about what the bad ones do because secretly most of them probably approve what they do.
Good Christians put a stop on the bad Christians the moment they get out of line .
Why can't the "good" Muslims do the same?
You can't come up with a single real example of a "good"
muslim taking any real action to stop a bad Muslim.
Pretty words don't mean shit.
I tried to give "good" Muslim the benefit of the doubt for a long time but the evidence is just not there to give them any rope.
Actions speak much louder then words.
Supposedly there are so called just a small few bad ones compared to the good ones so it should be easy for the good ones to put the bad ones in its place.
So either there are a lot more bad Muslims then people like you admit or the "good" frankly don't give a shit about what the bad ones do because secretly most of them probably approve what they do.
Good Christians put a stop on the bad Christians the moment they get out of line .
Why can't the "good" Muslims do the same?
And answer this simple question yes or no.
Would this world be a better place without any Muslims? Good or Bad?
They are the single greatest threat to this world. All of them. You remove Muslims and we eliminate over 90% of our problems
Would this world be a better place without any Muslims? Good or Bad?
They are the single greatest threat to this world. All of them. You remove Muslims and we eliminate over 90% of our problems
Chop I've posted this before. Maybe you've seen it. It's a good way to separate moderate from radical:
[Finding Moderate Muslims:] Do you believe in modernity?
by Daniel Pipes
Jerusalem Post
November 26, 2003
If militant Islam is the problem and moderate Islam is the solution, as I often argue, how does one differentiate between these two forms of Islam?
It's a tough question, especially as concerns Muslims who live in Western countries. To understand just how tough it is, consider the case of Abdurahman Alamoudi, a prominent American figure associated with 16 Muslim organizations.
FBI spokesman Bill Carter described one of those, the American Muslim Council, as "the most mainstream Muslim group in the United States." The Defense Department entrusted two of them (the Islamic Society of North America and the American Muslim Armed Forces and Veterans Council) to vet Islamic chaplains for the armed forces. The State Department thought so highly of Alamoudi, it six times hired him and sent him on all-expenses-paid trips to majority-Muslim countries to carry what it called "a message of religious tolerance." Alamoudi's admirers have publicly hailed him as a "moderate," a "liberal Muslim," and someone known "for his charitable support of battered women and a free health clinic."
But this image of moderation collapsed recently when an Alamoudi-endorsed chaplain was arrested and charged with mishandling classified material; when Alamoudi himself was arrested on charges of illegal commerce with Libya; and when Alamoudi's Palm Pilot was found to contain contact information on seven men designated by the United States government as global terrorists.
Distinguishing between real and phony moderation, obviously, is not a job for amateurs like US government officials.
The best way to discern moderation is by delving into the record - public and private, Internet and print, domestic and foreign - of an individual or institution. Such research is most productive with intellectuals, activists and imams, all of whom have a paper trail. With others, who lack a public record, it is necessary to ask questions. These need to be specific, as vague inquiries ("Is Islam a religion of peace?" "Do you condemn terrorism?") have little value, depending as they do on definitions (of peace, terrorism).
Useful questions might include:
No single reply establishes a militant Islamic disposition (plenty of non-Muslim Europeans believe the Bush administration itself carried out the 9/11 attacks); and pretence is always a possibility, but these questions offer a good start to the vexing issue of separating enemy from friend.
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Dec. 27, 2004 update: I have collected my writings on the topic of reformist Muslims at "Bibliography – My Writings on Moderate Islam."
Oct. 5, 2005 update: For what others have come up with to determine who is an Islamist and who is not, see "Finding Moderate Muslims - More Questions."
June 3, 2006 update: For comments on the above list of questions, see John Furedy's "Organizational vs. individual application of Pipes's list."
Sep. 6, 2004 update: A semi-comical American Muslim "leader" replied to this article and I reply to him at "Hamza Yusuf Fails My 'Test'."
Apr. 28, 2007 update: For a sarcastic application of these question to Christians, see "Daniel Pipes on How to Expose Militant Christianity."
[Finding Moderate Muslims:] Do you believe in modernity?
by Daniel Pipes
Jerusalem Post
November 26, 2003
If militant Islam is the problem and moderate Islam is the solution, as I often argue, how does one differentiate between these two forms of Islam?
It's a tough question, especially as concerns Muslims who live in Western countries. To understand just how tough it is, consider the case of Abdurahman Alamoudi, a prominent American figure associated with 16 Muslim organizations.
FBI spokesman Bill Carter described one of those, the American Muslim Council, as "the most mainstream Muslim group in the United States." The Defense Department entrusted two of them (the Islamic Society of North America and the American Muslim Armed Forces and Veterans Council) to vet Islamic chaplains for the armed forces. The State Department thought so highly of Alamoudi, it six times hired him and sent him on all-expenses-paid trips to majority-Muslim countries to carry what it called "a message of religious tolerance." Alamoudi's admirers have publicly hailed him as a "moderate," a "liberal Muslim," and someone known "for his charitable support of battered women and a free health clinic."
But this image of moderation collapsed recently when an Alamoudi-endorsed chaplain was arrested and charged with mishandling classified material; when Alamoudi himself was arrested on charges of illegal commerce with Libya; and when Alamoudi's Palm Pilot was found to contain contact information on seven men designated by the United States government as global terrorists.
Distinguishing between real and phony moderation, obviously, is not a job for amateurs like US government officials.
The best way to discern moderation is by delving into the record - public and private, Internet and print, domestic and foreign - of an individual or institution. Such research is most productive with intellectuals, activists and imams, all of whom have a paper trail. With others, who lack a public record, it is necessary to ask questions. These need to be specific, as vague inquiries ("Is Islam a religion of peace?" "Do you condemn terrorism?") have little value, depending as they do on definitions (of peace, terrorism).
Useful questions might include:
- Violence: Do you condone or condemn the Palestinians, Chechens, and Kashmiris who give up their lives to kill enemy civilians? Will you condemn by name as terrorist groups such organizations as Abu Sayyaf, Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, Groupe Islamique Armée, Hamas, Harakat ul-Mujahidin, Hizbullah, Islamic Jihad, Jaish-e-Mohammed, Lashkar-e-Tayyiba, and al-Qaida?
- Modernity: Should Muslim women have equal rights with men (for example, in inheritance shares or court testimony)? Is jihad, meaning a form of warfare, acceptable in today's world? Do you accept the validity of other religions? Do Muslims have anything to learn from the West?
- Secularism: Should non-Muslims enjoy completely equal civil rights with Muslims? May Muslims convert to other religions? May Muslim women marry non-Muslim men? Do you accept the laws of a majority non-Muslim government and unreservedly pledge allegiance to that government? Should the state impose religious observance, such as banning food service during Ramadan? When Islamic customs conflict with secular laws (e.g., covering the face for drivers' license pictures), which should give way?
- Islamic pluralism: Are Sufis and Shi'ites fully legitimate Muslims? Do you see Muslims who disagree with you as having fallen into unbelief? Is takfir (condemning fellow Muslims with whom one has disagreements as unbelievers) an acceptable practice?
- Self-criticism: Do you accept the legitimacy of scholarly inquiry into the origins of Islam? Who was responsible for the 9/11 suicide hijackings?
- Defense against militant Islam: Do you accept enhanced security measures to fight militant Islam, even if this means extra scrutiny of yourself (for example, at airline security)? Do you agree that institutions accused of funding terrorism should be shut down, or do you see this a symptom of bias?
- Goals in the West: Do you accept that Western countries are majority-Christian and secular or do you seek to transform them into majority-Muslim countries ruled by Islamic law?
No single reply establishes a militant Islamic disposition (plenty of non-Muslim Europeans believe the Bush administration itself carried out the 9/11 attacks); and pretence is always a possibility, but these questions offer a good start to the vexing issue of separating enemy from friend.
__________
Dec. 27, 2004 update: I have collected my writings on the topic of reformist Muslims at "Bibliography – My Writings on Moderate Islam."
Oct. 5, 2005 update: For what others have come up with to determine who is an Islamist and who is not, see "Finding Moderate Muslims - More Questions."
June 3, 2006 update: For comments on the above list of questions, see John Furedy's "Organizational vs. individual application of Pipes's list."
Sep. 6, 2004 update: A semi-comical American Muslim "leader" replied to this article and I reply to him at "Hamza Yusuf Fails My 'Test'."
Apr. 28, 2007 update: For a sarcastic application of these question to Christians, see "Daniel Pipes on How to Expose Militant Christianity."
