Is there anything more evil and irrational than Jew-hatred and Israel-hatred?

[JoeContrarian]

JDOG, for you my friend.

:toast:

http://www.islam-watch.org/Letters/Ahmadinejad-In-His-Own-Words.htm

Ahmadinejad In His Own Words


Religious extremism and martyrdom:

1. "We don't shy away from declaring that Islam is ready to rule the world." 1
2. "The wave of the Islamist revolution will soon reach the entire world." 2
3. "Our revolution's main mission is to pave the way for the reappearance of the Twelfth Imam, the Mahdi." 3
4. "Soon Islam will become the dominating force in the world, occupying first place in the number of followers amongst all other religions."4
5. "Is there a craft more beautiful, more sublime, more divine, than the craft of giving yourself to martyrdom and becoming holy? Do not doubt, Allah will prevail, and Islam will conquer mountain tops of the entire world." 5
6. "What is important is that they have shown the way to martyrdom which we must follow.'' 6 [President Ahmadinejad's comments on an aircraft crash in Tehran that killed 108 people in December 2005].
7. Ahmadinejad praises Iran for being able to recruit thousands of suicide bombers a day. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad praised his country's ability to recruit "hundreds of suicide bombers a day," saying "suicide is an invincible weapon. Suicide bombers in this land showed us the way, and they enlighten our future.“ Amadinejad said the will to commit suicide was "one of the best ways of life." 7
8. "This regime (Israel) will one day disappear."8
9. "The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm.9
10. Israel is "a disgraceful stain on the Islamic world" 10
11. Israel is doomed to be "wiped from the map" in "a war of destiny." 11
12. Ahmadinejad said that "the countdown for the destruction of Israel" has begun. 12
13. Zionists are "the personification of Satan."13
14. "In the case of any unwise move by the fake regime of Israel, Iran's response will be so destructive and quick that this regime will regret its move for ever." 14
15. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad declared that the Holocaust is a "myth."15
16. "Them (the West) invented the myth of the massacre of the Jews and placed it above Allah, religions and prophets."16

Iran, its nuclear ambitions and sanctions:

1. "By the grace of Allah, we (will be) a nuclear power."17
2. Ahmadinejad fired off a fresh barrage of warnings to the United Nations, saying Iran did "not give a damn" about demands to freeze sensitive nuclear work. 18
3. "Iran does not give a damn about resolutions." 19
4. "The Islamic republic of Iran has the capacity to quickly become a world superpower. If we believe in ourselves... no other power can be compared to us." 20
5. "Iran's enemies know your courage, faith and commitment to Islam and the land of Iran has created a powerful army that can powerfully defend the political borders and the integrity of the Iranian nation and cut off the hand of any aggressor and place the sign of disgrace on their forehead." 21
6. "Our enemies should know that they are unable to even slightly hurt our nation and they cannot create the tiniest obstacle on its glorious and progressive way." 22
7. "In parallel to the official political war there is a hidden war going on and the Islamic states should benefit from their economic potential to cut off the hands of the enemies." 23

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Hindsight is always 20/20, which is why as a boy studying the second world war I was so perplexed as to how the civilized world didn't recognize a madman when they saw him -- especially learning that the madman at the time had made his intentions quite public. During the 1930s it seemed the world was in daze, unable to preempt the coming storm. The truth is, no matter how often the usual gutless pansies try and shrug it off, hate is hate is hate.

Years later after spending countless hours arguing with countless useful idiots, I finally came to this sobering conclusion:

The world did foresee Hitler's atrocities, but denial -- that gullible inner liberal in us all that believes evil can be 'rehabbed' -- prevented them from exercising humanity's God-given moral clarity.

And so after all the carnage, massive destruction and loss of life on a incomprehensible scale, after the world had witnessed how Nazism had turned every value upside down....the world in unison reaffirmed it's commitment to -- gulp -- "never let it happen again." hno:

Folks, evil is powerless if the good are unafraid.

 

[barman]

Mark, in the year 1930, it's reasonable to submit that at least 98% of "the world" did not know what was happening even 50 miles from their home, much less what the Chancellor in Germany was spouting. But you already know that, so props on another hyperbolic rant.

 

[DarrylParsons]

I didn't say Stalin's crimes weren't heinous, and I am sure the families of Stalin's victims would feel otherwise....but they would be wrong if they believed they were targeted because of their specific race, class, sex, etc.

Stalin didn't produce propagandistic films depicting an entire race as vermin. What were Stalin's motivations, Darryl? Can you share them with us?

Jew hate is uniquely evil -- as is Israel hate.



I don't believe war in itself is evil, quite the opposite. In many circumstances, war is just, astonishingly effective and the ONLY option, ie WW II and every war the United States has fought since that period.

Liberals are anti-war; conservatives are anti-evil. Liberals believe the act of war itself is evil which of course is patent nonsense.

Liberals don't/can't/won't discern between murder and killing.

Killing is perfectly justified in many cases -- murder (defined as killing with malicious thought or intent) is not.

The Japanese attacked our country and MURDERED Americans unprovoked -- we responded.

If someone breaks into your home and threatens the safety of your family, you have a right to self defense. If you end up killing them, you won't be charged with "murder."

The United States doesn't murder, although our proficiency at targeting and killing evil is quite impressive.

Joe, obviously I don't know Stalin's exact motivations, much like you don't know Hitler's. Every side in every war thinks they are representing good while the other represents evil.

For some perspective, consider that Stalin's birth name was a translation of "Jewison", all 3 of his wives were Jewish, as was just about everyone working under him.

Take a look at this article...

Stalin's Jews


We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

Before you accuse the author of anti-Semitism, keep in mind he's Jewish.

Then think about how often the media has mentioned the holocaust vs. Stalin's atrocities.

Killing is killing Joe. If someone wants to kill me, I really couldn't care less if it's because of the color of my skin, my religion, or because my shit stinks.

 

[DodgerFan1]

I didn't say Stalin's crimes weren't heinous, and I am sure the families of Stalin's victims would feel otherwise....but they would be wrong if they believed they were targeted because of their specific race, class, sex, etc.

Stalin didn't produce propagandistic films depicting an entire race as vermin. What were Stalin's motivations, Darryl? Can you share them with us?

Jew hate is uniquely evil -- as is Israel hate.



I don't believe war in itself is evil, quite the opposite. In many circumstances, war is just, astonishingly effective and the ONLY option, ie WW II and every war the United States has fought since that period.

Liberals are anti-war; conservatives are anti-evil. Liberals believe the act of war itself is evil which of course is patent nonsense.

Liberals don't/can't/won't discern between murder and killing.

Killing is perfectly justified in many cases -- murder (defined as killing with malicious thought or intent) is not.

The Japanese attacked our country and MURDERED Americans unprovoked -- we responded.

If someone breaks into your home and threatens the safety of your family, you have a right to self defense. If you end up killing them, you won't be charged with "murder."

The United States doesn't murder, although our proficiency at targeting and killing evil is quite impressive.

Clearly another case of I wanna be an american so bad id cut my wrists... JoeC is not even American, he's Canadian, even so, he's the more lunatic extremist ive seen around here. Vietnam and Iraq were not justified wars, id like you to explain me how good those wars made to these countries and how the USA was directly menaced by these nations? Im all against hate against ANY RACE, GENDER, RELIGION, OR STYLE OF LIFE... The fact is that, everyone is entitled to belief what they want and live their lives as they want as long as they dont impose such behaviors on anyone else who dont accepts them. Your way of thinking Joe, is no different than Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Franco, or Edward I for that matter, you belief that you and the people who slightly think like you have the right to impose a way of life to the rest of people, you belief that one and only one country (not even your country btw) has the right and duty to rule the world, to command and conquer. You wanna wipe the muslim people of this world... admit it, we're lucky you're Canadian, cause u have no decent army to carry that on

 

[D2bets]

JDOG, for you my friend.

:toast:

http://www.islam-watch.org/Letters/Ahmadinejad-In-His-Own-Words.htm

Ahmadinejad In His Own Words


Religious extremism and martyrdom:

1. "We don't shy away from declaring that Islam is ready to rule the world." 1
2. "The wave of the Islamist revolution will soon reach the entire world." 2
3. "Our revolution's main mission is to pave the way for the reappearance of the Twelfth Imam, the Mahdi." 3
4. "Soon Islam will become the dominating force in the world, occupying first place in the number of followers amongst all other religions."4
5. "Is there a craft more beautiful, more sublime, more divine, than the craft of giving yourself to martyrdom and becoming holy? Do not doubt, Allah will prevail, and Islam will conquer mountain tops of the entire world." 5
6. "What is important is that they have shown the way to martyrdom which we must follow.'' 6 [President Ahmadinejad's comments on an aircraft crash in Tehran that killed 108 people in December 2005].
7. Ahmadinejad praises Iran for being able to recruit thousands of suicide bombers a day. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad praised his country's ability to recruit "hundreds of suicide bombers a day," saying "suicide is an invincible weapon. Suicide bombers in this land showed us the way, and they enlighten our future.“ Amadinejad said the will to commit suicide was "one of the best ways of life." 7
8. "This regime (Israel) will one day disappear."8
9. "The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm.9
10. Israel is "a disgraceful stain on the Islamic world" 10
11. Israel is doomed to be "wiped from the map" in "a war of destiny." 11
12. Ahmadinejad said that "the countdown for the destruction of Israel" has begun. 12
13. Zionists are "the personification of Satan."13
14. "In the case of any unwise move by the fake regime of Israel, Iran's response will be so destructive and quick that this regime will regret its move for ever." 14
15. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad declared that the Holocaust is a "myth."15
16. "Them (the West) invented the myth of the massacre of the Jews and placed it above Allah, religions and prophets."16

Iran, its nuclear ambitions and sanctions:

1. "By the grace of Allah, we (will be) a nuclear power."17
2. Ahmadinejad fired off a fresh barrage of warnings to the United Nations, saying Iran did "not give a damn" about demands to freeze sensitive nuclear work. 18
3. "Iran does not give a damn about resolutions." 19
4. "The Islamic republic of Iran has the capacity to quickly become a world superpower. If we believe in ourselves... no other power can be compared to us." 20
5. "Iran's enemies know your courage, faith and commitment to Islam and the land of Iran has created a powerful army that can powerfully defend the political borders and the integrity of the Iranian nation and cut off the hand of any aggressor and place the sign of disgrace on their forehead." 21
6. "Our enemies should know that they are unable to even slightly hurt our nation and they cannot create the tiniest obstacle on its glorious and progressive way." 22
7. "In parallel to the official political war there is a hidden war going on and the Islamic states should benefit from their economic potential to cut off the hands of the enemies." 23

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hindsight is always 20/20, which is why as a boy studying the second world war I was so perplexed as to how the civilized world didn't recognize a madman when they saw him -- especially learning that the madman at the time had made his intentions quite public. During the 1930s it seemed the world was in daze, unable to preempt the coming storm. The truth is, no matter how often the usual gutless pansies try and shrug it off, hate is hate is hate.

Years later after spending countless hours arguing with countless useful idiots, I finally came to this sobering conclusion:

The world did foresee Hitler's atrocities, but denial -- that gullible inner liberal in us all that believes evil can be 'rehabbed' -- prevented them from exercising humanity's God-given moral clarity.

And so after all the carnage, massive destruction and loss of life on a incomprehensible scale, after the world had witnessed how Nazism had turned every value upside down....the world in unison reaffirmed it's commitment to -- gulp -- "never let it happen again." hno:

Folks, evil is powerless if the good are unafraid.

Not to be picky, but how can those be his own words when he doesn't speak English? (or does he?)

 

[mamatried]

Joe, obviously I don't know Stalin's exact motivations, much like you don't know Hitler's. Every side in every war thinks they are representing good while the other represents evil.

For some perspective, consider that Stalin's birth name was a translation of "Jewison", all 3 of his wives were Jewish, as was just about everyone working under him.

Take a look at this article...

Stalin's Jews


We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

Before you accuse the author of anti-Semitism, keep in mind he's Jewish.

Then think about how often the media has mentioned the holocaust vs. Stalin's atrocities.

Killing is killing Joe. If someone wants to kill me, I really couldn't care less if it's because of the color of my skin, my religion, or because my shit stinks.

The facts, of course, are that Stalin arrested, persecuted, and in some cases murdered prominent Russian Jewish doctors, and had plans, which are documented, to round all Jews up Nazi-style and deport them to camps in the central part of the country. His death in 1953 was the only reason these were never implemented.

 

[kingbill]

Um I guess to answer the question is there anything more evil and irrational that Jew hate...I would venture to guess anything directed at me personally. No offense to Scott and our other Jewish friends but if hate is directed at me...then I'm going to be more personally affected by it and think it's more evil and irrational

 

[ScottL]

KB, I can debate the Israel issue better than most, but I don't consider myself an expert. As far as debating someone's irrational prejudices, there I have no shot.

That said, I'm a pretty good judge of character. And I know in no way do YOU choose your friends based upon religion or color.

Now let's get back to the topic, which is Joe C :nuts:

 

[Railbird]

 

[Railbird]

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</TD></TR><TR><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana" align=middle>Israel's Shahar Peer, left, and India's Sania Mirza, will team up for the Wimbledon ladies' doubles [AFP]</TD></TR><!-- /TOKEN --></TBODY></TABLE>



</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Sania Mirza, Indian tennis star, insists there is no reason why her decision to reunite with Israel's Shahar Peer for the Wimbledon ladies' doubles should set off another round of religious and political trouble.

Mirza, a Muslim, is a long-term friend of Peer and the pair played together at the 2005 Japan Open where they reached the semi-finals.

"Everyone was fixed for doubles at this point. We've grown up together. We're great friends. So we said, why not?" Mirza explained.
"I have to keep saying this: I'm here to play tennis and so is she. That's the end of that. It has nothing to do with anything else," the 20-year-old insisted.
Mirza and Peer are seeded 16th in the ladies' doubles draw at the All England Club and will take on Lisa Osterloh and Sofia Andersson in the first round.
Mirza, the world number 44, is adamant her partnership with Peer is all about friendship and compatibility on the court, and nothing should stand in their way.
"We're just here to play tennis and we're here to perform and be the best we can be," Mirza said.
"Everything we do or everything we say, we're normal human beings, and we're not here to make statements with every move that we make.
"I think we were both very lucky to find each other because it's someone who suits each other's game. I have a big forehand, she has a big backhand," the Indian starlet added.
"We've done well in the past. We're seeded and we have a pretty good draw for the first round, and she's still in singles."
Previous controversy
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Sania Mirza has previously been arraigned
over her on-court dress sense [AFP]​

</TD></TR><!-- /TOKEN --></TBODY></TABLE>Mirza, who crashed out of the second round of the Wimbledon singles on Thursday in a 6-2, 6-2 defeat to Russian number 11 seed Nadia Petrova, is no stranger to controversy following her.
Extremists had once given notice to her over the short skirts she wears on court.

Meanwhile, the teaming of Muslim and Jewish players has caused uproar at Wimbledon in the past.
In 2002, Pakistan's Aisam-ul-Haq Qureshi was threatened with suspension by his country's tennis federation when he played in the Wimbledon men's doubles with Israel's Amir Hadad.
"I still stand with the point that I really believe you shouldn't mix politics, religion, or colour into sports," Qureshi said on Thursday.
"If I take a stand against a Jewish player, next thing I know all the Christians or Jews or Indians take a stand against me and then I can't play the sport.
"If I feel like I can do well with an Indian or a Jew again, I would definitely play with them."

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[RiverRat]

As the Song Speak English or Die from SOD says: Kill them all and have a ball and end the fcking crisis. USA Forever!!

Wake up people the terrorist want you dead! :sad3:

 

[kingbill]

It's the way in which you ask the question...is there anything more...really probably not because hate shouldn't have levels so hatred is equally bad...so I'll bit and say their is nothing more...Joe C...is there any hate directed towards people that is acceptable?

 

[punter]

It's the way in which you ask the question...is there anything more...really probably not because hate shouldn't have levels so hatred is equally bad...so I'll bit and say their is nothing more...Joe C...is there any hate directed towards people that is acceptable?

Its ok to hate the Sooners.

 

[sumday]

I don't know about all that stuff but I believe we must and need to protect the beautiful people of Isrial cause they have been hurt big time in their history.

:toast:

learn how to spell israel and the jews are the ones that started the wars..read up on history..anyways..i think chics from israel are hot as hell!

 

[sumday]

wow

I didn't say Stalin's crimes weren't heinous, and I am sure the families of Stalin's victims would feel otherwise....but they would be wrong if they believed they were targeted because of their specific race, class, sex, etc.

Stalin didn't produce propagandistic films depicting an entire race as vermin. What were Stalin's motivations, Darryl? Can you share them with us?

Jew hate is uniquely evil -- as is Israel hate.



I don't believe war in itself is evil, quite the opposite. In many circumstances, war is just, astonishingly effective and the ONLY option, ie WW II and every war the United States has fought since that period.

Liberals are anti-war; conservatives are anti-evil. Liberals believe the act of war itself is evil which of course is patent nonsense.

Liberals don't/can't/won't discern between murder and killing.

Killing is perfectly justified in many cases -- murder (defined as killing with malicious thought or intent) is not.

The Japanese attacked our country and MURDERED Americans unprovoked -- we responded.

If someone breaks into your home and threatens the safety of your family, you have a right to self defense. If you end up killing them, you won't be charged with "murder."

The United States doesn't murder, although our proficiency at targeting and killing evil is quite impressive.

the recent attack on iraq was murder and an unjust war. innocent iraqis and misguided u.s soldiers are dying for no good cause..you gotta be kidding that the u/s doesnt fight any unjust wars. iraq never threatened them or attacked them to provoke this war. bush just wanted to distract people from the fact that he never made good on his promise to find and punish osama bin laden and also because he wants oil..you americans are so easily brainwashed and distracted

 

[sumday]

you had your world trade centers demolished right before your eyes..your country's on the brink of a recession because you keep focusing on wars and overextended yourselves..you guys walk around in fear of being attacked again and so much more and yet you still cant wake up..you are making too many enemies around the world and it is catching up with you..the u.s is on the decline because you guys are like bullies..but now it's like everyone's teaming up on this increasingly fragile bully and you have little friends or options to save yourselves..oh yeah..and fucken houston today!! what the hell..

 

[JoeContrarian]

Joe, obviously I don't know Stalin's exact motivations, much like you don't know Hitler's.

Actually, I do. It's all documented in Mein Kampf.

Every side in every war thinks they are representing good while the other represents evil.

Except there are clear objective measuring sticks rational people like yourself can use to figure out who's the good guy and who's the bad guy.

Here, I'll give you one:

An Iranian Olympic swimmer who's trained all his life for his moment in time gives it up at the drop of a hat because he refuses to share the same pool with an Israeli swimmer. With all due respect to the moral relativist crowd, until I see similar unprecedented stories of 'hate' emanating from Israel, I won't engage in this "both sides are to blame" Michael Moore tomfoolery.

One side wants peace; the other wants it's enemy annihilated. In the face of such intolerance, there is no middle ground -- sooner or later the intolerant side will be obliterated. This is a historical reality.

Most Jew haters would rather blow themselves up in a marketplace than sit down face to face and talk peace....because THESE SAVAGES AREN'T HUMAN BEINGS. It's this type of irrational HATE that leads to massive bloodshed -- and world wars.

For some perspective, consider that Stalin's birth name was a translation of "Jewison", all 3 of his wives were Jewish, as was just about everyone working under him.

Take a look at this article...

Stalin's Jews

We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

Before you accuse the author of anti-Semitism, keep in mind he's Jewish.

I had no such intention. Nor did I ever deny Stalin's heinous crimes against humanity were unspeakable. I'm agreeing with you.

Then think about how often the media has mentioned the holocaust vs. Stalin's atrocities.

Darryl, you're an intelligent guy and therefore should discipline your mind not to expose itself to these conspiracies.

The media doesn't care to expose the atrocities Red China, Pol Pot, Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, Stalin and -- pick your fav left wing dictator -- because the media are LEFTISTS, Darryl. They may not agree with the brutality of these regimes, but ideologically they are linked and therefore sympathize with them to a certain extent. I know it's pathetic but whatever...

Stalin was a Marxist -- leftists and Marxists share the same ideology. Therefore Stalin gets more of a free pass than a perceived "right wing fascist" like Hitler. (I use air quotes, because Hitler was anything but a 'righty'.)

Killing is killing Joe. If someone wants to kill me, I really couldn't care less if it's because of the color of my skin, my religion, or because my shit stinks.

Yes, it's called premeditated murder, Darryl. If I decide I'm going to kill you, break into your home and you get up early and shoot me first, you won't get charged with the same crime.

Legally you are just wrong. I acknowledge that liberals can't/won't discern between the two largely because their position is emotive, but a 'righty' like you should know better. Then again, I guess that's why you were enamored with Dr. Ron Paul.

Conservatives vehemently oppose the moral relative argument that "all killing is equally sinful" because it most certainly is not.

 

[Brooklynbomber]

Hindsight is always 20/20, which is why as a boy studying the second world war I was so perplexed as to how the civilized world didn't recognize a madman when they saw him -- especially learning that the madman at the time had made his intentions quite public.

BINGO

there is gentleman who currently is "in charge" of the US that will go down in history as another maniacal madman, but a lot of Republicans are so tied up with the whole righty vs lefty debate they are in denial. They cannot see the forest thru the trees

 

[koidog]

I agree, Jew hatred is unique. Evil and irrational and I'd add....accepted by so many. Even in this Country.

 

[DarrylParsons]

Joe, which part of Mein Kampf mentions the "Final Solution"? I'm not talking generalities here, I'm talking specifics. We knew he didn't like Jews but he didn't mention why he needs to kill so many innocents.

Unlike a moral relativist who goes by the maxim "do whatever feels good because who's to say what's right and wrong", I'm a moral absolutist who knows there exists an objective right and wrong that's not negotiable, but who is not so arrogant as to claim to know exactly what that is.

You OTOH seem to have your mind made up, and the resemblance to the republican party platform is simply uncanny. It's almost as though your own individuality isn't there, because to know what JoeC says about an issue, I just have to read some GOP propaganda.

The leftist media does not condone killing of innocents. I realize you guys like to accuse them of being communist sympathisers but they're not. There was plenty negative stuff about Castro over the years, even if it wasn't presented in a hardliner way as you would have liked, just as there is plenty of negative press today about N. Korea.

When I said killing is killing, I think you knew I meant deliberate killing of innocents, ie. murder, because it was regarding a comparison of the three tyrants. Probably I should have used the word "murder" to avoid misunderstanding. My mistake.