Is the country (USA) better off than it was 8 years ago???

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The better question to ask is: Are "you" better off today then 8 years ago.
Very difficult sometimes to look around and see if things are better or worse in general then 8 years ago.

But real easy to answer for yourself if "you" are better off today then you were 8 years ago.

I'm always better off, but I know too much about too many families and too many small businesses to say things are better
 

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Can't say but I just paid 3000 dollars I Obamacare fines yesterday after a 6 month extension (April 15).

my insurance increases 30% next year, only another $ 330 per MONTH

a fuck you to anybody that supports Obamacare, said in the most respectful way possible

no, I do not use an exchange, all insurance is going up across the boards for everybody

coinsurance for employees is going up

deductibles are going up

copay's are going up

a complete clusterfuck
 

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Macy's & Sear's closing hundreds of stores

things are better than ever, nothing to see here

Did you know? Trump likes women, OMG, what a fucking disaster
 

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The better question to ask is: Are "you" better off today then 8 years ago.
Very difficult sometimes to look around and see if things are better or worse in general then 8 years ago.

But real easy to answer for yourself if "you" are better off today then you were 8 years ago.

Hahaha that's what they want you to think look at my 10 mile bubble zone no problem look at the whole picture huge problem
 

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Can't say but I just paid 3000 dollars I Obamacare fines yesterday after a 6 month extension (April 15).

You were fined for not having Obamacare or some sort of plan? My accountant has never asked me about health insurance
 
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The better question to ask is: Are "you" better off today then 8 years ago.
Very difficult sometimes to look around and see if things are better or worse in general then 8 years ago.

But real easy to answer for yourself if "you" are better off today then you were 8 years ago.

Anyone who thinks like this is part of the problem.

Get out of your little head and look at the big picture.

Race relations are at a frightening pitch.

If cops continue to get massacred and they are somehow not accorded "extra rights" like soldiers have in war, you will soon see a completely lawless society in the inner cities. What does that mean to the rest of us? I don't know but we need to think about that. It won't be good.

What if the rebels burn the major cities down? May not affect you directly but you can be sure that many, many innocent people will suffer as a result.

What if the far reach of ISIS or open borders or improperly vetted refugees find their way to blowing up a couple of offshore oil rigs, or refineries. The price of gas would skyrocket, crippling industries and individuals who rely on gas for transportation or heating fuel.

What if they took down a few key power grids or took out several key bridges. Think about the far reaching ramifications and hardships.

How about Obamacare? They are proud that they signed up all the non-contributors while the working man gets squeezed to near breaking in many cases.

Etc.

Etc.

Etc.

No matter how well you are doing individually if the society collapses around you, you will be F*kd with the rest of America. And the "society" is much worse off than eight years ago. Much worse.
 

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You were fined for not having Obamacare or some sort of plan? My accountant has never asked me about health insurance

Yep..

FL kid scare was 600 a month. They check with IRS


Wife not working was 70 a week at my work...

3640 plus 7200 was 10840


I'll pay the fine


Got insurance going fwd.
 

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my insurance increases 30% next year, only another $ 330 per MONTH

a fuck you to anybody that supports Obamacare, said in the most respectful way possible

no, I do not use an exchange, all insurance is going up across the boards for everybody

coinsurance for employees is going up

deductibles are going up

copay's are going up

a complete clusterfuck

None of those things were going down in price before the ACA, by the way.
 
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Way better and it's not close. Eight years ago, the stock market was in the toilet and unemployment was through the roof.
 
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Anyone remember the good times?

Bush Jr screwed us so bad that we never had a great opportunity to get stronger....bits and pieces yes, but we never improved the way we wanted....

Race relations are just as bad as they were 50 years ago....no respect for authority......teens are not afraid of the law....

Babies having babies...no parental care.....

Military is still strong....just no leadership....
 

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HAHAHAHAHAH

you guys clearly dont remember how awful things were 8 years ago.

Consumer Confidence would be a great indicator of how the general feeling was back then.. it was 55%.. the sky was falling, no jobs to be hand, no one would hire, everything economically felt like pins and needles.. today its 90%

Grass isn't always greener.. and your forgotten memories of how bad was in 2008 is irresponsible

100 out of 100 economist would say things are better today than 2008
 
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Hey BAS, what happened to my "QUOTE" Button and the other buttons that used to be there for me?

Also missing is, on the main page, "Go To Last Post" within a thread. What would cause all of that stuff to disappear? To just not be there anymore?

Not sure, try rebooting
 

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My life is vastly better then it was 8 years ago and i expect it will be vastly better in 8 years from now then it is today no matter who wins any election.
 

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None of those things were going down in price before the ACA, by the way.

Obamacare was going to fix all that, well, that's what supporters argued

Many thought differently. Like every other policy of his, the results and the promises are polar opposites

He even lied to our when he said "you can keep your insurance"

He even lied to our face when he said "he's not increasing taxes for people earning < 250,000

It's not possible to have been more wrong about more things

I'll never be able to comprehend how anyone thinks giving career politicians control over healthcare is a good idea, bureaucracy and success is batting .000
 

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Obamacare was going to fix all that, well, that's what supporters argued

Many thought differently. Like every other policy of his, the results and the promises are polar opposites

He even lied to our when he said "you can keep your insurance"

He even lied to our face when he said "he's not increasing taxes for people earning < 250,000

It's not possible to have been more wrong about more things

I'll never be able to comprehend how anyone thinks giving career politicians control over healthcare is a good idea, bureaucracy and success is batting .000

Doing nothing wasn't going to fix it, either.
 

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Doing nothing wasn't going to fix it, either.

You can't "fix" what Big Government originally broke.
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By Every Legit measureable Economic statistic, Americans are massively better off than they were 8 years ago. Wall Street 2x Higher, Unemployment cut by more than 1/2. Obama's Approval rating is extremely high for a 2nd term POTUS in his last month.
We have less troops deployed Overseas, although Obama has been piss poor at getting all our troops home. Still way better than 8 years ago.
Of course, down here, you get the answers we see above. But in Real America, with Real Americans, there is no doubt we are better off today then we were 8 years ago.
 

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How do people on this forum get through the day with how shitty this country is? America sucks Terrorists Rule!
 

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