Let's put this discussion about Bellotti (and Tedford) into a different perspective.... This is nothing new to most of us Pac handicappers but for everyone else's benefit....
Bellotti became HC at Oregon in '95 where he took Brook's players to a 9-3 season in his first year. They didn't win 8 games again until he hired Tedford as his OC ('98).
Then in Tedford's 2nd year ('99,) Oregon won 9 games and beat Minnesota in their bowl game. The next 2 years Oregon won the Pac-10 title ('00 and '01). Then Tedford left to be the HC at Cal. Since '02, Oregon won 10 games once and that was in '05 in Crowton's first year as OC. **
**A much needed shot in the arm in his first year then downhill from there. (That's pretty much been Crowton's history having coached 7 different places in the past 15 years.)
Other than Crowton '05, Bellotti's teams have posted a 27-23 W/L record since Tedford left. Without Tedford's years and leaving out Bellotti's first year when he took over Rich Brooks's team and also leaving out Crowton's first year, Bellotti's "solo" W/L record has been just 40-33. So, in other words, without a "hot" OC working for him, his record is mediocre at best. Furthermore, his longtime bud, Nick Aliotti, Oregon's DC, has never produced a real good defense in all of his years at the school. (more than 10 but I'm not sure exactly.) I have yet to see the Ducks operating at their full steam potential in a single year, though Tedford's offense took them pretty close to that on its own.
I get an eerie feeling that I can see right through the facade that people consider an alltime career honorable mention at least. I am not impressed, certainly more credit has been given to Bellotti (and almost none to his OC's) than a good HC with his record deserves. And that good ol' boy attachment he has to his DC, as has been previously mentioned is pure poison for the Duck program. I hate to say this, but I think it's true that Oregon's season will largely depend on how well new OC Chip Kelly works out. It almost appears that you can leave Bellotti out of the equation and you will get a pretty good read on the team. Looking at their coaching history under Bellotti, it seems true. How strange is that?
Bellotti became HC at Oregon in '95 where he took Brook's players to a 9-3 season in his first year. They didn't win 8 games again until he hired Tedford as his OC ('98).
Then in Tedford's 2nd year ('99,) Oregon won 9 games and beat Minnesota in their bowl game. The next 2 years Oregon won the Pac-10 title ('00 and '01). Then Tedford left to be the HC at Cal. Since '02, Oregon won 10 games once and that was in '05 in Crowton's first year as OC. **
**A much needed shot in the arm in his first year then downhill from there. (That's pretty much been Crowton's history having coached 7 different places in the past 15 years.)
Other than Crowton '05, Bellotti's teams have posted a 27-23 W/L record since Tedford left. Without Tedford's years and leaving out Bellotti's first year when he took over Rich Brooks's team and also leaving out Crowton's first year, Bellotti's "solo" W/L record has been just 40-33. So, in other words, without a "hot" OC working for him, his record is mediocre at best. Furthermore, his longtime bud, Nick Aliotti, Oregon's DC, has never produced a real good defense in all of his years at the school. (more than 10 but I'm not sure exactly.) I have yet to see the Ducks operating at their full steam potential in a single year, though Tedford's offense took them pretty close to that on its own.
I get an eerie feeling that I can see right through the facade that people consider an alltime career honorable mention at least. I am not impressed, certainly more credit has been given to Bellotti (and almost none to his OC's) than a good HC with his record deserves. And that good ol' boy attachment he has to his DC, as has been previously mentioned is pure poison for the Duck program. I hate to say this, but I think it's true that Oregon's season will largely depend on how well new OC Chip Kelly works out. It almost appears that you can leave Bellotti out of the equation and you will get a pretty good read on the team. Looking at their coaching history under Bellotti, it seems true. How strange is that?
Show me one post where i call Miles one of the best in the country, or even where i call him a good coach. I think hes an average SEC coach. Six SEC coaches have national titles and he isnt one of them. You have never seen me praise Miles,ever. So why would you say that?
As usual, you guys blatantly lie to try to argue. Stick to facts. Like when you started this thread you used the words "history of the pac-10" in the title yet linked an article debating the past 20 years only.
As for Fulmer/Tedford. What period are you talking about? Fulmer after his 6th full season was 67-11 with a national title under his belt. Compared to 43-20 for Tedford. Tedford has one quality win in his career. Head to head Fulmer is 1-0 . You talk about how great Tedford is as a recruiter, but this past season his recruiting class would have finished 8th in the SEC.
Give it up man. Keep making up lies to argue about all you want, you cant change the facts.
Obviously you aren't SHARP enough to realize the thread title is a joke, which was based on a tongue-in-cheek story, a not so subtle stab at how overrated Mike Bellotti is as a head coach. Flew right over your head.
Then you proceed to say several times that I, or Conan, or the writer, said Tedford was a "great" coach and went so far as to say someone said he is considered one of the best coaches in Pac 10 history.
So who is lying, because not only did Big10 burn your ass on your top 5 NFL draft argument, you can't find one quote that anyone said Tedford was the best coach in Pac 10 history, or even a "great" coach. Half of your posts in this thread are a lie.
So far this year you've made up a story about J Stewart wanting to go to Tennessee over Oregon, claimed that the pac 10 is stronger today than it was 10 years ago, and attributed Tedford's success to Kyle Boller and Aaron Rodgers, supposedly top 5 NFL draft picks.
You should probably stick to being head SEC cheerleader at the Rx. Hopefully someone doesn't read your misinformation and get confused.
Players can still attend the university. At UCLA or CAL a player must go JUCO for 2 years and then be allowed to transfer, if they are ineligble. At most schools, you may not be eligble to play, but you can still practice and be on campus.
I don't have any examples of any players in particular.
P.S.
I hate Jim Tressell, but please personally thank Bellotti for not taking the Ohio State Job in '01.
We would be getting ready for shit bowl with him as coach!
I don't have any examples of any players in particular.
P.S.
I hate Jim Tressell, but please personally thank Bellotti for not taking the Ohio State Job in '01.
We would be getting ready for shit bowl with him as coach!
