Is Mike Bellotti the best coach in the history of the Pac 10

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That must explain their inability to score points against mighty Arizona and Stanford at the end of last yr

No it doesn't. But playing @ Arizona (who survived last year on defense alone) and playing their traditional bay area rival might. Stanford threw all they had into that game (as expected.) I called it too and with a 30-point line (as I remember,) it was a no-brainer.
 

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Sure hes done a good job.

Id compare it to what David Cutcliffe did winning 10 games at Ole Miss and putting them in the polls for the first time in 30 years - he also had a stud QB named Eli Manning. And he coached for 6 years and made one new years day bowl, 5 bowls total. Sounds a LOT like Tedfords career but no one hailed him as the second coming.

Nobody has called Tedford the second coming.... but I seem to recall you calling Cutcliff's rehire at TN the second coming. That's ironic.
 

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So thats the criteria to be a good coach? You must take over a shit program? There are only 12 games in a college football season. Its actually easier to turn a 4-8 team into a 8-4 than it is to turn a 8-4 into a 10-2 imo.

So a school like Alabama can never have a good coach ever again, cause if you compare to the schools history he will always fall short.

I see where your coming from,I guess Bruce Pearl is better than John Wooden since he turned around the Vols bball program.

Speaking of Vanderbilt, they almost made a bowl Cutlers senior year. Came up one win short. They beat the Vols for teh first time in 20+ years and lost to the Gators in double OT. That was because of the new coach of course, right? Not because of an NFL talent at QB.

Give me Boller and Rodegers and I could beat up on Stanford and ASU also. I think id do better than 43-20 though.

I can't even comprehend the point you are trying to make. Is it that Tedford is a BAD coach? We're not even talking apples and oranges here. Again, nowhere in this thread does it say Tedford is a great coach. There are some pretty valid arguments why Tedford might be considered a better coach than Bellotti.

Now you are here and you want to impress your pac 10 knowledge by claiming Tedford's success is due to Kyle Boller and Aaron Rodgers? They must be damn good recruiters too. Freakin' hillarious.

Let's make something absolutely clear, if you were the coach at Cal, they would still suck.
 

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Nobody has called Tedford the second coming.... but I seem to recall you calling Cutcliff's rehire at TN the second coming. That's ironic.


There you go telling lies again. I wasnt even a poster on this forum when Cutcliffe was rehired.
 

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I can't even comprehend the point you are trying to make. Is it that Tedford is a BAD coach? We're not even talking apples and oranges here. Again, nowhere in this thread does it say Tedford is a great coach. There are some pretty valid arguments why Tedford might be considered a better coach than Bellotti.

Now you are here and you want to impress your pac 10 knowledge by claiming Tedford's success is due to Kyle Boller and Aaron Rodgers? They must be damn good recruiters too. Freakin' hillarious.

Let's make something absolutely clear, if you were the coach at Cal, they would still suck.

I never said hes a bad coach, but if a coach with a 43-20 career record is the best the Pac-10 has to offer in its history - thats pretty pathetic. I guess when i saw the name Willingham mentioned i should have remembered we were talking about a second tier league. After all, im used to a conference where 50% of the coaches have won a national championship.

As for recruiting, how many top 10 classes has he recruited? Top 20 even?
 

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BTW CP 43-20 is a helluva lot better than 16-39, which is what Tedford took over.

I know I know, Kyle Boller single-handedly took a 1-10 team and turned them into a winner with his 2800 yards passing and 53% completion percentage.
 

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No it doesn't. But playing @ Arizona (who survived last year on defense alone) and playing their traditional bay area rival might. Stanford threw all they had into that game (as expected.) I called it too and with a 30-point line (as I remember,) it was a no-brainer.

Stanford threw all they had with their back-up QB, and one of the 5 worst D-1 teams in the country. Congrats on winning your bet, but playing a rival that SUCKS doesn't excuse Tedford for mailiing in a total clunker
 

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I never said hes a bad coach, but if a coach with a 43-20 career record is the best the Pac-10 has to offer in its history - thats pretty pathetic.

Please, quote anywhere in this thread, in fact, anywhere in this forum, or any website ever created since Gore invented the internet, that calls Jeff Tedford the best football coach in Pac 10 history. You have a serious reading comprehension problem.
 

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There you go telling lies again. I wasnt even a poster on this forum when Cutcliffe was rehired.

Hmmm. That seems a little strange to me. I guess then that you are not aware of all the Cutcliff hype we all heard before last season. How could I ever make you to be different from the rest? Imagine that. So then you are on record to separate yourself from the rest of the Vol posters here? I had you figured to be another of Cutcliff's legion. Does this mean you think as I do when I consider Cutcliff to be another relic who's better days are behind him?

By the way, that "lie" thing you seem to like so much isn't becoming of someone who should know me better by now.
 

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Hmmm. That seems a little strange to me. I guess then that you are not aware of all the Cutcliff hype we all heard before last season. How could I ever make you to be different from the rest? Imagine that. So then you are on record to separate yourself from the rest of the Vol posters here? I had you figured to be another of Cutcliff's legion. Does this mean you think as I do when I consider Cutcliff to be another relic who's better days are behind him?

By the way, that "lie" thing you seem to like so much isn't becoming of someone who should know me better by now.

Then start telling the truth. Why would you make such a statement with absoultely no fact to it, other to to flame.

But to answer your question I think Cutcliffe is a great OC, id not trade him for anyone. But I didnt see the hire as a big change. I didnt see it as a quick fix to the recent drop off in success. Should Cutcliffe be healthy enough to coach several more years I think the offense will naturally improve. Hes an offensive genius for sure (72-15 record as OC). Hes no relic.

Youth doesnt bring wisdom , but it does bring energy and hunger. And that is what the Vols have lacked the past 6 years or so, hunger. Does that mean Trooper Taylor should be promoted to OC because hes young and energetic? I dont think so, but its a good question. Is that why Tedford gets so much love? Because hes young?
 

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Would you just make up your mind? Cutcliff was a great hire. (Do you even remember what he was hired for?) A great OC. (What's he doing there? What was expected?) No it wasn't anything big or too much to expect (5-6 the year before with no offense.) He's a hero at Miss for turning them around and he's better than Tedford. The same as Tedford. Tedford ain't squat. You want it all verbatim? I wouldn't waste my time. Where you stand on Cutcliff and/or Tedford is confusing enough, and as if it mattered anyway.
 

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It was an assumption, and I was right.


So you were wrong. Admit it.

Well, I thought i made it clear. I compare Tedfords career as a HC to Cutcliffes. Good but not great, far from even deserving mention in this thread.

Again ,its about perspective I guess. A guy withthese results in the SEC is a coordinator, but in the Pac-10 hes a legend.
 

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Well if you've backed down from your effervescent praise for Cutcliff then I was wrong. But if you haven't, I'd find that more believable.

As far as perspective goes, I do perceive quite a number of ex WC HC's working out your way. Our loss is your gain but I guess that's no big thing either. Just a bunch of WC nobodies. I would not be the least bit surprised if Tedford winds up in the SEC someday too. If someone from Cal somehow managed to keep Tedford around very much longer, they'd probably have to kidnap him and throw him in a basement. But then again they'd probably forget to lock the door.
 

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I would pick Tedford, because unlike Bellotti, I believe Tedford would fire a defensive coordinator if he sucked it up for as long as Nick Aliotti has. I believe Mike is a good person, a great spokeman, and has a perfect mold for a typical coach. Unfortunately again, I think he can be resistant to change, is not an "on the fly" adjustments guy, and is more worried about keeping everyone on the inside happy than doing the obvious right thing even if it means hurting peoples feelings.

I will give it up to him for hiring the new offensive coordinator. That will make or break this season. The athletes I talked to in May say the new playbook was rediculously hard and initial expectations were that of "why the hell haven't you guys mastered it yet?" That was 2 weeks after it was handed out.
 

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As you think about it, it is absurd to even suggest Bellotti is the best of all time. It is unfair to him too. You can easily make the argument that Carroll and Tedford are better right now. Easily. Why even suggest something like this because the next step is to cut down the great Oregon coach to prove he is not the best. He has done a fine job but the best ever? Please.
 

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As you think about it, it is absurd to even suggest Bellotti is the best of all time. It is unfair to him too. You can easily make the argument that Carroll and Tedford are better right now. Easily. Why even suggest something like this because the next step is to cut down the great Oregon coach to prove he is not the best. He has done a fine job but the best ever? Please.

I believe you have missed the entire point of this thread and/or not read much of it. It's a sarcastic post by a sarcastic author who jokingly decided to pretend and agree that Bellotti was the best of all time...look at the graphs...anyways, reread it.
 

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The author is obviously a Husky fan too. You have to feel a little for the guy because since Don James, UW has enjoyed just one decent season under Rick Neuheisel. It's been years since UW was atop the Pac, won a NC or did anything important. It also figures that he'd pick on Bellotti vs Don James because there's been a lot of venom between Washington and Oregon football down through the years and more recently, Oregon has absconded with the Huskies CFB leadership in the NW.
 

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Again ,its about perspective I guess. A guy withthese results in the SEC is a coordinator, but in the Pac-10 hes a legend.

I get a kick out of you clowning on Tedford. LSU hired Les Miles who had a 27-21 record before he was hired and now that he's in the SEC, you think he's one of the best coaches in the country. And he hired Gary Crowton....HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Tedford would be a frontrunner for any job that opened up in the SEC...Instead of denigrating him you'd be riding his jock if he was the coach at Tennessee.

But the best part about your Tedford bashing is that Tedford has a better win-loss record than Fat Fulmer over the same period.
 

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