Is Kirk Cousins as good as RGIII

[Enfuego]

Why is he a far better QB when healthy? He had one good rookie year when he was asked to manage the game with an elite running game. His style of play hasn't proven remotely sustainable in the NFL.

Jake Plummer had success for a year with SHanny as his coach with an elite running game and good D, it happens.

Because when he was healthy Pats he had one of the best seasons we've ever seen from a rookie QB in this history of the game. He took a shit team to the playoffs. He wasn't asked to manage the game, he carried the team.

I agree with you. His style of play isn't sustainable. We'll see though, now Cousins has the keys for the entire year. We'll see how he does. Don't get me wrong, I like KC. Hope he plays well.

 

[PatsFan1283]

A lot of guys have 1 good year. Not like he had to throw all game, he didn't even crack 3500 yards passing and even his rookie year he couldn't stay healthy.

They had 1 of the best running games in the NFL that year and their D was pretty solid in that 2nd half winning streak, calling them a "shit team" is moreso to fit your narrative that he carried them which I don't think he did. I mean he had a good year, it happens but I just don't think its gonna workout for him and I'd take Cousins over him with a gun to my head right now pretty easily...

Cousins was better than him in training camp this year. I'm not sure how the Skins will be rest of the year but they were going nowhere with RG3.

 

[Enfuego]

A lot of guys have 1 good year. Not like he had to throw all game, he didn't even crack 3500 yards passing and even his rookie year he couldn't stay healthy.

They had 1 of the best running games in the NFL that year and their D was pretty solid in that 2nd half winning streak, calling them a "shit team" is moreso to fit your narrative that he carried them which I don't think he did. I mean he had a good year, it happens but I just don't think its gonna workout for him and I'd take Cousins over him with a gun to my head right now pretty easily...

Cousins was better than him in training camp this year. I'm not sure how the Skins will be rest of the year but they were going nowhere with RG3.

I don't have a narrative. The year before they drafted RGIII, they were 5-11 and finished last in their division. They drafted him and finished 10-6 and in first place in their division. The numbers don't lie Pats. I don't have a narrative.

 

[Vlad the Impaler]

Yeah RG3 isn't a NFL caliber starting QB and hasn't been for almost 20 starts now so by default Cousins is better.

I don't see him making it and while the racial stuff is stupid, Vlad is right there is a archetype of what works in the NFL and what doesn't and his style without pocket passing isn't sustainable.

I think people underrate the success Shanahan has had with mobile quarterbacks and elite erunning games. RG3s year in 2012 was pretty same the same as Jake Plummer's in 2005

RG 42's career will mirror Vince Young's. Fast start, teams adjust, now injuries, a little craziness because he like Vince can't take criticism and will be on another team as a " qb competition/ back up" on a shitty team sooner rather than later. There is a reason the Redskins didn't trade Cousins. I can't beleive they were so stupid to trade 3 1st round picks for that fool. Including what eventually ended up being the #2 overall pick. They pay those GM's alot of $$ to make common sense decisions. As a Colts fan, it made me a little nervous leading up to the draft with how much ESPN and other liberals glorified RG 42. The colts even acted like it was not a forgone conclusion it would be Luck. I think they were just doing that to keep the hip hop nation and PC people happy.

 

[PatsFan1283]

I don't have a narrative. The year before they drafted RGIII, they were 5-11 and finished last in their division. They drafted him and finished 10-6 and in first place in their division. The numbers don't lie Pats. I don't have a narrative.

Yeah they doubled their win total completely because of him and it had nothing to do with anything else

regression to the mean, value above the bum he replaced, close wins, improved running game, etc....It was pretty much just because he was on the field for them in 2012 and not in 2011. Cmon

I mean he had a good year like a lot of mobile QBs before him that the NFL eventually flamed out.

I dunno, VladImpaler for president maybe

 

[Vlad the Impaler]

By the way, best black quarterback of all time? Warren Moon and its not even close and guess what, he never ran around like a jackass with his "world class speed" you hear about with these idiots these days.

 

[PatsFan1283]

McNabb was underrated. People forget how bad his WRs were in Philly before TO got there.

Eagles were 1 of the best teams in the NFC for like 6 years straight even though he had very little talent around him. Now pretty much just known for fueding with TO and blowing chunks and throwing INTs in the superbowl.

 

[Enfuego]

By the way, best black quarterback of all time? Warren Moon and its not even close and guess what, he never ran around like a jackass with his "world class speed" you hear about with these idiots these days.

LOL, Warren Moon had zero speed.

 

[PatsFan1283]

It is harder to be a mobile QB now than ever before as well because the guys on D are bigger and faster than ever. Can't really out-athlete them consistently like even someone like Steve Young could 20 years ago.

It just isn't something that you can really sustain in the NFL without good pocket passing and all the other skills that come with being a good QB.

I mean RG3 had a good rookie year, hes sucked ever since, really who cares? That year just isn't worth much anymore and I'm guessing your avg Skins fan is happy it is Cousins time.

 

[Enfuego]

It is harder to be a mobile QB now than ever before as well because the guys on D are bigger and faster than ever. Can't really out-athlete them consistently like even someone like Steve Young could 20 years ago.

It just isn't something that you can really sustain in the NFL without good pocket passing and all the other skills that come with being a good QB.

I mean RG3 had a good rookie year, hes sucked ever since, really who cares? That year just isn't worth much anymore and I'm guessing your avg Skins fan is happy it is Cousins time.

In all reality, RGIII's career may have ended today with the Skins.

 

[Vlad the Impaler]

In all reality, RGIII's career may have ended today with the Skins.

Another ones bites the dust. Next up, come on down Jameis Winston. Your turn to fail while the media overhypes you. His character flaws and low IQ will get him destroyed in the NFL. I am picturing an infamous media meltdown similar to Ryan Leaf's locker room rant.

 

[Vlad the Impaler]

LOL, Warren Moon had zero speed.

Yes and that is a good attribute for an NFL quarterback. I don't want my NFL quarterback to be fast. I want my high school quarterback to be fast because in high school, you can out athlete the competition. That is why guys like Vince Young, RG 42 get so overhyped to begin with.

 

[CHOPTALK]

I don't think anyone could argue Warren Moon being the best black qb ever.
I would have liked to have seen what daunte culpepper could have done if he would have stayed healthy.
But Moon is certainly #1.

 

[CHOPTALK]

But Vlad was right.
He had ulterior motives that formed his opinion.
But at face valve he is correct.

And Enfuego, 1 rookie season does not make a career.
I don't think all of RG3's problems are just due to injury.

 

[CHOPTALK]

RG 42's career will mirror Vince Young's. Fast start, teams adjust, now injuries, a little craziness because he like Vince can't take criticism and will be on another team as a " qb competition/ back up" on a shitty team sooner rather than later. There is a reason the Redskins didn't trade Cousins. I can't beleive they were so stupid to trade 3 1st round picks for that fool. Including what eventually ended up being the #2 overall pick. They pay those GM's alot of $$ to make common sense decisions. As a Colts fan, it made me a little nervous leading up to the draft with how much ESPN and other liberals glorified RG 42. The colts even acted like it was not a forgone conclusion it would be Luck. I think they were just doing that to keep the hip hop nation and PC people happy.

They chances of the Colts drafting anyone not named Luck that year was exactly 0.

 

[CHOPTALK]

I think Cam Newton has a chance to be a great QB.
He has the leadership skills and all the tools.
He is a pocket passer that can run.
I am very impressed with him.

Winston has bust written all over him.

 

[JustinCruise]

I think Cam Newton has a chance to be a great QB.
He has the leadership skills and all the tools.
He is a pocket passer that can run.
I am very impressed with him.

Winston has bust written all over him.

100% agree

LOVE Cam Newton. The guy has every tool you could ask for. I would take him over every young qb in the league not named Andrew Luck

 

[shdw01]

Doug williams 4 tds in a super bowl...that is almost polk high status

 

[Enfuego]

But Vlad was right.
He had ulterior motives that formed his opinion.
But at face valve he is correct.

And Enfuego, 1 rookie season does not make a career.
I don't think all of RG3's problems are just due to injury.

Totally agree with you but based on the total body of work right now, Cousins hasn't proven he is a better NFL QB than RG3 (simply hasn't had the chance). Might be by year's end though.

 

[Vlad the Impaler]

Totally agree with you but based on the total body of work right now, Cousins hasn't proven he is a better NFL QB than RG3 (simply hasn't had the chance). Might be by year's end though.

LOL. And Foles hasn't proven he is bettter than Vick yet either.