Is EWinner officially a stiff book to you now?

[PatrickMcIrish]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sick gambler:
I have always said that these guys should be paid all their funds, minus the bonuses.. I am not saying that these guys should not have been paid..

I only answered Patty boy about the question he asked if these guys are stiffs, and i said NO because if they were, they'd have stiffed me too... That's it.. NO WAY can a book just go on and book these bets and have the right to not pay after the fact. They should have picked this off a month ago, not when it's time to collect. You book a bet, you pay the bet. Why does everyone seem so stressed out around here.. geez

And like I also said many a times... I don't know the exact story behind all this.. Lets hear the full story kenny, you never told us..We want details sir..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Fair enough.

For the record on the poll I predicted 25% would call them a stiff today and in 60 days it will be 75%. We'll see how close I am. Lot of information that can not make the light of day right now will probably come out soon. Until it does I don't recommend being there no matter how many "are getting paid". You've been warned and they are off our site so I feel we have done all we can. Good luck.

 

[sickgambler]

Patty boy, I never touted them at all and never told people to go play there because they pay. I just said that they cannot be known yet as a stiff book because they have paid me around the clock.. That's it..

I mean, IMO, if they were really that bad a book, I had 13 dimes in there last week, and today, I only have 2 dimes in there. They have paid me 11 dimes in 1 week, and to me, this is not a stiff book...Or they would have stiffed me long ago.. Don't you think they would have stiffed me last week instead if they were really a stiff book?

I am not on Ewinner's side here. I am not touting them because I am nervous about my 2 dimes either, believe me.. And I am not on anyone's side.. Like i always said, these boys should have been paid by Ewinner in full, minus all bonuses and fees because they can't come back after the fact and cancel all winning bets. It's just not right. Ewinner could have easily found out last month when they were losing, who knows.

I just answered your question here Patty boy about whether Ewinner is officially a stiffed book and I gave my opinion, seeing they have paid me this amount in 1 week..And I'm sure I speak for a lot of others who have been paid by Ewinner recently..

 

[TTinCO]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>And like I also said many a times... I don't know the exact story behind all this.. Lets hear the full story kenny, you never told us..We want details sir..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you Sick!!!!!! That's all I've been trying to say all along.

Just as posters are demanded to provide proof when making strong accusations, this mods and owners should be held to the same standard-actually a much higher one due to their positions of authority.

All I want is some proof behind the claims that have been made.

 

[RPM]

IT DOES NOT MATTER IF EWINNER IS A STIFF BOOK OR NOT!!!

ONLY A FOOL WOULD PLAY AT A BOOK THAT WILL NOT ACCEPT MEDIATION. PERIOD

 

[TTinCO]

RPM, I'm not 100% sure here, but I think that decision by them was due to the Saturday phone call incident.

 

[CowboyBill]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RPM:
IT DOES NOT MATTER IF EWINNER IS A STIFF BOOK OR NOT!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Strange comment from an employee of the RX seeing just 6 days ago according to Ken eWinner was not going to make it through this past Monday

Is this a new strategy or trial balloon?

 

[RPM]

ttin,

you have your opinion, and i have mine. ewinner posted that they would not accept mediation.

THERE IS NOT A SINGLE GOOD REASON TO REFUSE MEDIATION.

spin it anyway you want, as im sure you will.

ONLY SHIT BOOKS EVER REFUSE MEDIATION.

 

[RPM]

cowboy,

this is my opinion. i dont give a shit how anyone else feels. if you want to play at a book that wont accept mediation, GO FOR IT. but dont come crying here when they steal your money.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

 

[PatrickMcIrish]

Tin - of course the players want to know as much as they can, I know I would. Tough situation though because I don't think Shrink can betray someone who has fed him confidential information. Especially if he agreed to keep it off the forums. I know that is not what you want to hear but you can't screw someone over that was trying to help you. Plus the reality is we are never going to make someone believe something they don't want to believe. If at this point you or anyone else believe the RX suddenly decided to pull down a paid up advertiser just for the hell of it I doubt you will believe anything anyway. And that's your right to think that way. We got extremely reliable information and acted on behalf of what is best for the posters. Ken will decide what he does but I doubt he will screw anyone over who trusted him to try and win over a few doubters. I am very happy they are down off the site based on what I know, that's all I can say. Others are certainly entitled to feel differently.

As far as proof on the rest I think EWinner is admitting they took these guys money. Rule violation forced them to confiscate all the money they said, LOL. The forum works because we present our view, others present theirs, and folks can decide for themselves. I guess we can assume the owner never will call Shrink.

 

[PatrickMcIrish]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cowboy Bill:


Strange comment from an employee of the RX seeing just 6 days ago according to Ken eWinner was not going to make it through this past Monday

Is this a new strategy or trial balloon?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Actually Shrink was told they were trying to get some cash and there was a chance they could get some by Monday night. That was reported here more than once. I'm not shocked they are still open and very pleased to hear it. Maybe they will have a big week-end in the NFL and not need more cash next week. Either way I feel good the players I have heard from have got their money. They then can make their decision to stay there or not after what we posted. I hope no one EVER gets burned there but at least I feel we did all we could.

PS - I need 2 more percent to win my bet, who hasn't voted no yet?

 

[Java]

It would have been nice if EWinner paid the players and also the players told the truth and admitted they purposely had multiple accounts.

 

[SA]

This has become all so real in the industry today moreso than not, unfortunately the player is ALREADY considered a Fraud when posting up.

If they win...They are a Fraud...

If they lose...No problem...they don't care where the money comes from then, because it is theirs to keep.

Ken...If you would be so kind, I may/will need your assistance with my ordeal if I can't get anywhere by later today.

Thanks,
SA

 

[THE SHRINK]

SA,

Just shoot me an email or call, and I will help u...

Ken

 

[lander]

SA,
I've won at many books and NEVER have been called a fraud.

Maybe they just call scammers that win - frauds?

 

[SA]

Lander - Please...if you're going to respond to my inquiry understand the facts...Your post is ridiculous.

That is all I have to say.
Have a good day,
SA

Ken..I certainly will. I sent you mail last night. I will resend today.

Thanks!

 

[lander]

The facts.

1. You had multiple accounts to circumvent EWinners low limits.
2. You got caught.
3. Royal bailed your scamming ass out.

Pretty cut & dry. I hope they blacklisted you.

 

[SA]

Lander - Excuse me, but I NEVER PLAYED AT EWINNER.

Please....I'm sorry for the confusion but do not associate me with this issue or those players.

My issue is not with EWINNER.

Thanks,
SA

 

[lander]

My appologies SA.
I wrongly assumed you were one of the six scammers at e-Winner.

Are you a scammer elsewhere? Or just a scammer sympathizer?

Thanks.

[This message was edited by lander on October 03, 2003 at 11:32 AM.]

 

[SA]

Lander, Please I'm NOT a scammer but certainly being targeted as one.

I know your skeptical of people like me but all I can do is tell you what happened. (See Sportingbet family withdrawal thread)

My apologies, I should have been more clear that I was not part of this issue.

I'm just digusted and frustrated with what I have had to go through to finalize my payout.

No problem and Thanks,
SA

 

[chips]

Every player should be paid every bet they make, E-Winner is having problems with 3-5 customers although I dont agree the way they are handling it, THIS DOES NOT MAKE THEM A STIFF BOOK, Pat your post is a little biased towards that fact and its unfair. There is more to this story that I dont know but in no way are they a stiff book if the continue to pay customers!

Aces Gold is a Stiff Book

E-Winner is not a stiff book

See the difference???