kingbill said:
It's just nice to see some good things from this war because I know for a fact it exists. My cousin got back from Iraq about 3 months ago and he told me that they see a lot more people that are happy to see them than the opposite. I want to see the troops come home now but I just get sick of hearing all the negative only on here.
chiefssth said:
Fair enough, but Joe C incinuated that the main stream media wouldn't show the positive pictures from the war. They did, the entire first year. The photos the Main stream media wouldn't show photos of the dead babies, burnt with skulls crushed. If they were to show the extremely positive pics they should show the extremely negative ones also, I think they've tried to find a medium.
Maybe if Joe C had said used a title of "hey here are some positive pics from Iraq" instead of trying to politisize it, the negative wouldn't have been brought up.
Death Eats a Cracker said:
No, I've never made such a claim. I don't have all the answers. Nor do you. But I can say with a high degree of certainty however, is mathematics, probabilities and physics have historically been more reliable, than say, vested interests with a worse track record than Mark Lawrence.
Yeah I know Kingbill.....the women and the children were doing just super before we showed up:
BBC
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A US investigator said bodies were bulldozed into the graves
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- E IIMA -->A mass grave being excavated in a north Iraqi village has yielded evidence that Iraqi forces executed women and children under Saddam Hussein.
US-led investigators have located nine trenches in Hatra containing hundreds of bodies believed to be Kurds killed during the repression of the 1980s.
The skeletons of unborn babies and toddlers clutching toys are being unearthed, the investigators said.
They are seeking evidence to try Saddam Hussein for crimes against humanity.
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Tiny bones, femurs - thighbones the size of a matchstick
P Willey
US investigating anthropologist
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- E IBOX -->It is believed to be the first time investigators working for the Iraqi Special Tribunal (IST) have conducted a full scientific exhumation of a mass grave.
"It is my personal opinion that this is a killing field," Greg Kehoe, an American working with the IST, told reporters in Hatra, south of the city of Mosul.
"Someone used this field on significant occasions over time to take bodies up there, and to take people up there and execute them."
Tiny bones
The victims are believed to be Kurds killed in 1987-88, their bodies bulldozed into the graves after being summarily shot dead.
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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- E IIMA -->One trench contains only women and children while another contains only men.
The body of one woman was found still clutching a baby. The infant had been shot in the back of the head and the woman in the face.
"The youngest foetus we have was 18 to 20 foetal weeks," said US investigating anthropologist P Willey.
"Tiny bones, femurs - thighbones the size of a matchstick."
Mr Kehoe investigated mass graves in the Balkans for five years but those burials mainly involved men of fighting age and the Iraqi finds were quite different, he said.
"I've been doing grave sites for a long time, but I've never seen anything like this, women and children executed for no apparent reason," he said.
Long search
<!-- S IIMA --><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=203 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>
Iraq's Kurds are hoping for justice at last
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- E IIMA -->Mr Kehoe said that work to uncover graves around Iraq, where about 300,000 people are thought to have been killed during Saddam Hussein's regime, was slow as experienced European investigators were not taking part.
The Europeans, he said, were staying away as the evidence might be used eventually to put Saddam Hussein to death.
"We're trying to meet international standards that have been accepted by courts throughout the world," he added.
"We're putting a package together on each body removed - pictures of bones, clothes, a forensic report." Iraq's human rights ministry has reportedly identified 40 possible mass graves across the country. The dig at Hatra, where a makeshift morgue has been erected, was due to be completed on Wednesday. <!-- E BO -->
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BBC
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=629 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=3>Babies found in Iraqi mass grave
</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top width=416><!-- S BO --><!-- S IIMA --><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=203 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- E IIMA -->A mass grave being excavated in a north Iraqi village has yielded evidence that Iraqi forces executed women and children under Saddam Hussein.
US-led investigators have located nine trenches in Hatra containing hundreds of bodies believed to be Kurds killed during the repression of the 1980s.
The skeletons of unborn babies and toddlers clutching toys are being unearthed, the investigators said.
They are seeking evidence to try Saddam Hussein for crimes against humanity.
<!-- S IBOX --><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=208 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width=5>
P Willey
US investigating anthropologist
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- E IBOX -->It is believed to be the first time investigators working for the Iraqi Special Tribunal (IST) have conducted a full scientific exhumation of a mass grave.
"It is my personal opinion that this is a killing field," Greg Kehoe, an American working with the IST, told reporters in Hatra, south of the city of Mosul.
"Someone used this field on significant occasions over time to take bodies up there, and to take people up there and execute them."
Tiny bones
The victims are believed to be Kurds killed in 1987-88, their bodies bulldozed into the graves after being summarily shot dead.
<!-- S IIMA --><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=203 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- E IIMA -->One trench contains only women and children while another contains only men.
The body of one woman was found still clutching a baby. The infant had been shot in the back of the head and the woman in the face.
"The youngest foetus we have was 18 to 20 foetal weeks," said US investigating anthropologist P Willey.
"Tiny bones, femurs - thighbones the size of a matchstick."
Mr Kehoe investigated mass graves in the Balkans for five years but those burials mainly involved men of fighting age and the Iraqi finds were quite different, he said.
"I've been doing grave sites for a long time, but I've never seen anything like this, women and children executed for no apparent reason," he said.
Long search
<!-- S IIMA --><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=203 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- E IIMA -->Mr Kehoe said that work to uncover graves around Iraq, where about 300,000 people are thought to have been killed during Saddam Hussein's regime, was slow as experienced European investigators were not taking part.
The Europeans, he said, were staying away as the evidence might be used eventually to put Saddam Hussein to death.
"We're trying to meet international standards that have been accepted by courts throughout the world," he added.
"We're putting a package together on each body removed - pictures of bones, clothes, a forensic report." Iraq's human rights ministry has reportedly identified 40 possible mass graves across the country. The dig at Hatra, where a makeshift morgue has been erected, was due to be completed on Wednesday. <!-- E BO -->
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Times change McGeek....didnt Japan attack us-now every other car on a US road is made in Japan or at least a Jap co.? Didnt we fight off the Mexicans once now we welcome them?Did the US fight a war against its staunchest ally in the WOT, the British? Perhaps if we were certain Saddam was engaged in genocide at that point we wouldnt have been so passive.
Of course it didnt stop in 88 or 89 or 90 or 91 or 92 or 93....you get the point.The genocide stopped in 2003.
Why try to mitigate what Saddam has done? What purpose does it serve?
Of course it didnt stop in 88 or 89 or 90 or 91 or 92 or 93....you get the point.The genocide stopped in 2003.
Why try to mitigate what Saddam has done? What purpose does it serve?
