In a couple of weeks Joker becomes the GOAT?

[phdinsports]

'Vilas has 240 more wins on clay than Nadal! Orantes has 120 more wins than Nadal. Vilas, Orantes, Nadal, Nastase and Muster are the only players with over 400 wins on clay'

lol, you forgeting what yuo're writing ?

oh, here's Nastase , Mr Numbers

RG

14 times entered , did NOT get passed the 3rd round in 9 of them, lol, what a great clay courter he was @). He did win once

Now your talking. Stats not opinions! 5 of those times entered he was in his mid to late 30's (33, 35-38) Players did not play past their 30's in those days. Better training and understanding of nutrition makes it possible for players to dominate in their 30's today as opposed to 45-50 years ago. So in 9 tourneys he passed the 3rd round 5 times in an era of great clay court players. Lets now look at Fed pre-Nadal, given that Nadal prevented Fed from being an all-time great clay courter (your words not mine) 6 RG entered only twice passed the 3rd round! No titles! What's the excuse during these six years?

 

[Ricboff]

haha, mid to late 30s? ...u mean win % will drop as they hit into their 30s? dont make up any excuses, now !! his RG record is what it is. Sorry

'Lets now look at Fed pre-Nadal, given that Nadal prevented Fed from being an all-time great clay courter (your words not mine)'

no, ive been clear, ( and u accuse me of reading comprehension ? post 37 and it was even highlighted, lol) ill re-write what ive said; Fed and Nole are top 10 clay courters of all time . Period. This is turn makes Nadal's performance even more godly , he mauled two of the greatest to play on clay at RG -- won 13 of 14 matches. To say nothing of his titles , longevity doing so . No one needs stupid most 'wins on lcay of all time' or win % on clay ...to figure this out. Sometimes the answer is easy ... spinkle of common sense helps

u seruosly trying to compare Nastase's resume to fed's at RG? LOL, u have no shame?

Fed at RG

18 trips

80% win rate what's nastase's?

1 title , 5 trips to the final, 4 in consecutive fashion. reached qts or more 11 times

 

[Ricboff]

from pst #7

'With that said, the truest example of a GOAT ( sector/niche in this case) in sport is -- Nadal on clay. Now can anyone argue that?'

i'm shocked you dont agree, but i see why now, yuo're an 'acute numbers guy' w-thumbs!^

 

[phdinsports]

No excuse just facts! Few players excelled in their 30's in the 70's and 80's and that's not just in tennis that's in all sports! Training nutrition is way better now than it ever was. Just look at James, Selanne, Lidstrom, Brady, Brees, the later 4 still did great in their 40's. Shit throw in Brog's 13 match losing streak while playing with wood in the 90's! Great more stats time to put this to rest!! Now your using winning percentage at RG to prove your point, yet career win percentage you shrugged off. Fine I'll play this. The original debate Fed better than Lendl Wilander on Clay!! Fed's win rat 80% at RG. Lendl 81.5% Wilander 84%. So who's better?

 

[phdinsports]

Robredo's best surface was clay- he reached the qtrs at RG 5 times, won 12 titles in his career, 11 of whcih were on clay
Davydendo- won 21 titles in his career, reached the semis at RG twice, won 10 clay court titles
Nalbandian- won 11 titles in his career inclduing a slam at flushing meadows, reached the semis at RG twice in his career


they were not shit on clay, anyone who follows tennis knows this .....u didnt look at their numbers?

You left out Only one single masters clay tourney won between the 3 of them!! And that was Robredo in Hamburg, with the top two seeds pulling out due to fatigue! (Fed Nadal) Talking Master titles, not atp 500, 250 or challenger. Nice try taking my quote out of context!!! They won one single Master series on CLay.

 

[Ricboff]

you are making an excuse for Nastase's ordinary RG resume. Okay ill take his later yrs out as he was clearly a mug at taht point; 9 trips to RG , 5 visits to the qtrs and above, won once, 2 trips to the final . Pretty good.


'The original debate Fed better than Lendl Wilander on Clay!! Fed's win rat 80% at RG. Lendl 81.5% Wilander 84%. So who's better?'

Knock yourself out with those % win rates brah

here's my line RG final ;

Fed -140
Lendl +110

Fed -180
Wilander +150

im a bit bias tho cheersgif

 

[Ricboff]

You left out Only one single masters clay tourney won between the 3 of them!! And that was Robredo in Hamburg, with the top two seeds pulling out due to fatigue! (Fed Nadal) Talking Master titles, not atp 500, 250 or challenger. Nice try taking my quote out of context!!! They won one single Master series on CLay.

i was provding FACTS bro , they were not shit on clay , sorry . You now move the goalposts and talk about Master series clay titles ? haha, You were trying to minimize fed's RG title...as 'he played no one'...blah blah blah

 

[phdinsports]

i was provding FACTS bro , they were not shit on clay , sorry . You now move the goalposts and talk about Master series clay titles ? haha, You were trying to minimize fed's RG title...as 'he played no one'...blah blah blah

No that's BS!! No goal posts moved, Here's the entire original post! You're moving the goalposts!

I can't forget the stats! Borg was the wear-down city groundstroke king back in the day! He was the fitness freak back in the day, never tired rarely broke a sweat. Crazy low resting heartrate. (Not 29, that has been debunked!) He by far was the fitness King. That's what he was know for! Stop with the Fed as an all-timer on clay. I'll give you Nole but Fed come on. He played in 6 FO before meeting Nadal in the semis. He already had a few slams under his belt at 23 going on 24, and he couldn't win. Fed faced 3 top ten opponents in his FO finals run from 2006-2008, Robredo, Davydenko, Nalbandian. Only one single masters clay tourney won between the 3 of them!! And that was Robredo in Hamburg, with the top two seeds pulling out due to fatigue! (Fed Nadal) Numbers don't lie, greater clay court competition in Borg's day than Nadal. Borg would crush Fed on clay!

 

[phdinsports]

I can't forget the stats! Borg was the wear-down city groundstroke king back in the day! He was the fitness freak back in the day, never tired rarely broke a sweat. Crazy low resting heartrate. (Not 29, that has been debunked!) He by far was the fitness King. That's what he was know for! Stop with the Fed as an all-timer on clay. I'll give you Nole but Fed come on. He played in 6 FO before meeting Nadal in the semis. He already had a few slams under his belt at 23 going on 24, and he couldn't win. Fed faced 3 top ten opponents in his FO finals run from 2006-2008, Robredo, Davydenko, Nalbandian. Only one single masters clay tourney won between the 3 of them!! And that was Robredo in Hamburg, with the top two seeds pulling out due to fatigue! (Fed Nadal) Numbers don't lie, greater clay court competition in Borg's day than Nadal. Borg would crush Fed on clay!

Here's the quote! Only one master clay title!!!

 

[phdinsports]

So where do you rank Fed on clay?? 3rd, 5th best all time? I'm curious.

 

[Ricboff]

your post is flat out stupid, you're trolling right? k, got me then

Robredo's best surface was clay- he reached the qtrs at RG 5 times, won 12 titles in his career, 11 of whcih were on clay
Davydendo- won 21 titles in his career, reached the semis at RG twice, won 10 clay court titles
Nalbandian- won 11 titles in his career inclduing a slam at flushing meadows, reached the semis at RG twice in his career

they were NOT shit on clay and they didnt 'lack clay titles' SEE ABOVE.

You arent man enough to take that statement back regarding those three players? fuck had yuo pegged wrong

here's a clue; winning a masters clay title isnt a need to define a player as a good clay player. There's only 3 a yr and with Fed, Nadal, Nole aruond its hard for the field to win one-- you have no common sense

between 2009-2014 here are the winners of the available clay Master titles (Hamburg was aborted as a masters series event in 2009);

Madrd- all 5 won by either Fed, Nole, Nadal
Rome- all won by Nole/Nadal
Monte carlo - all won by Nadal

do YOU SEE how hard it is to win with these 3 hanging aruond? can your thick skull understand how good these 3 players have been ??

again Hmaburg is no longer a Tennis Master Clay event, hsasnt been since 2008, the 3 big boys started to skip it..allowed the likes of Simon.Monaco, Mayer to win shortly after 2008 lol

 

[CHOPTALK]

How bad is men’s tennis gonna be when the big 3 move on ?
I don’t see anyone on the horizon that can replace them

 

[phdinsports]

your post is flat out stupid, you're trolling right? k, got me then

Robredo's best surface was clay- he reached the qtrs at RG 5 times, won 12 titles in his career, 11 of whcih were on clay
Davydendo- won 21 titles in his career, reached the semis at RG twice, won 10 clay court titles
Nalbandian- won 11 titles in his career inclduing a slam at flushing meadows, reached the semis at RG twice in his career

they were NOT shit on clay and they didnt 'lack clay titles' SEE ABOVE.

You arent man enough to take that statement back regarding those three players? fuck had yuo pegged wrong

here's a clue; winning a masters clay title isnt a need to define a player as a good clay player. There's only 3 a yr and with Fed, Nadal, Nole aruond its hard for the field to win one-- you have no common sense

between 2009-2014 here are the winners of the available clay Master titles (Hamburg was aborted as a masters series event in 2009);

Madrd- all 5 won by either Fed, Nole, Nadal
Rome- all won by Nole/Nadal
Monte carlo - all won by Nadal

do YOU SEE how hard it is to win with these 3 hanging aruond? can your thick skull understand how good these 3 players have been ??

again Hmaburg is no longer a Tennis Master Clay event, hsasnt been since 2008, the 3 big boys started to skip it..allowed the likes of Simon.Monaco, Mayer to win shortly after 2008 lol

You're the dumb idiot that lacks reading comprehension! I said from the start masters title. You don't have the reading comprehension to understand it! Here I'll put it in bold letters so maybe you'll understand, Those three players Robredo, Davydenko, and Nalbandian played a full 5-7 years before Nadal won his first clay masters title!! They still won shit during those years without Nadal!

You get it now you moron!

 

[phdinsports]

In conclusion the top five greatest ever clay court player is


Insert name here ________________________________ with a career ranking of 12th in winning percentage, 40th in career wins, 27th in career tournament wins, and 1 clay grand slam, still makes the all-time top five.

You cannot debate such impressive career rankings!

 

[phdinsports]

How bad is men’s tennis gonna be when the big 3 move on ?
I don’t see anyone on the horizon that can replace them

True but I think barring injury they're still going to be around for many years to come. (Nadal, Joker). Joker will probably hit 400 weeks at number one smashing the old record!

 

[phdinsports]

The debate is over. Joker is the GOAT!! He'll have the career slam twice, no one else has done this, he's won the golden masters twice, no one has done this even once, and most importantly he'll end up with over 400 weeks at number one, crushing Federer's mark. He'll also beat Sampras' mark for most year end at number 1. Crazy numbers.

 

[SmallDaddy]

Can he accomplish the 'Djoke Slam'??

Winning all four Majors AND the Olympics gold in the same calendar year
(Only Graf ever to do it in '88)

(I say, he loses at least 1 somewhere along the way)

 

[festeringZit]

The debate is over. Joker is the GOAT!! He'll have the career slam twice, no one else has done this, he's won the golden masters twice, no one has done this even once, and most importantly he'll end up with over 400 weeks at number one, crushing Federer's mark. He'll also beat Sampras' mark for most year end at number 1. Crazy numbers.

The debate is over? I think not even close. Until he leads Fed and Nadal in majors, the debate is alive and well. To say otherwise is ridiculous.

Do I think Djoker will end up with the most? Probably.

 

[phdinsports]

Not the Gold medal too! Agassi is the only player to achieve the career super slam. I'm hoping he remains the only player to achieve this.

 

[phdinsports]

The debate is over? I think not even close. Until he leads Fed and Nadal in majors, the debate is alive and well. To say otherwise is ridiculous.

Do I think Djoker will end up with the most? Probably.

Strongly disagree! Way harder to achieve number one than to win a slam! 50 slam winners since early 70's in male tennis only 26 number ones. Not even close. It took Wilander 7 slam wins to achieve number 1. I don't care what the experts say, it's just facts, number 1 is harder to achieve than slams. Joker will have over 400 weeks at number one. No one will be even close. Even now he has over 115 more weeks and counting at number 1 than Nadal. Right now Joker is greater than Nadal, 115 more weeks at number one than Nadal. Plus Nadal has a huge blemish on his record. He's never won the year end championship. His winning percentage at that tournament is a pitiful 56%. Winning slams is tough a true test of endurance, but let's face it you only play 2 rarely 3 top 8 opponents. The year end championship every match is against the best of the best! As much as I like Nadal and hate Joker, Joker is just better, even though he has two less slams. His 115 more weeks at number 1 and his 5 year end championships far exceeds Nadal's two more slams!