Impeach Bush!

[Woody0]

Woody: do you not think that every president has done this? I think that every president since phones were invented has probably done some illegal wiretapping.

Well ... as you indicate only possible since the phone was invented in the late 19th century by a CANADIAN, so it can't be every President.

Ceertainly Bush is the only one who went on TV and confirmed that he would continue to break the law by illegal wiretapping.

 

[kingbill]

Woody: do you not think that every president has done this? I think that every president since phones were invented has probably done some illegal wiretapping.

And you are OK with it? Let them tap but get a warrant, I doubt any Judges would ever say no to the President for a wiretap warrant.
Laws are in place to protect you guys from unchecked powers, that is one of the things Canadians learn about your system of government is the Checks and Balances, so no one gets to powerful, thus protecting american citizens.

 

[chiefssth]

Well ... as you indicate only possible since the phone was invented in the late 19th century by a CANADIAN, so it can't be every President.

Ceertainly Bush is the only one who went on TV and confirmed that he would continue to break the law by illegal wiretapping.

Ok fair enough. I just don't like all this talk about Bush and how illegal these wiretaps are when i'm sure other presidents have done the same thing.

 

[chiefssth]

And you are OK with it? Let them tap but get a warrant, I doubt any Judges would ever say no to the President for a wiretap warrant.
Laws are in place to protect you guys from unchecked powers, that is one of the things Canadians learn about your system of government is the Checks and Balances, so no one gets to powerful, thus protecting american citizens.

KB: I agree with that. I don't think the government should be listening in on anybody unless they get a warrant.

 

[JoeContrarian]

And you are OK with it? Let them tap but get a warrant, I doubt any Judges would ever say no to the President for a wiretap warrant....

Ah, but see, the FISA court has said no. Therein lies the problem. So as president, you have two choices. Accept the rulling playing russian roulette with national security, or... "break the law."

Hmmm....what would Bill Clinton do?

 

[kingbill]

Oh, but see, the FISA court have said no. Therein lies the problem. So as president, you have two choices. Accept the rulling playing russian roulette with national security, or... "break the law."

Hmmm....what would Bill Clinton do?

Or as president YOU could tap Rachel Marsdens and Anne Coulters phone calls, maybe get some mini Video cameras. What do you do get a sneak peak at the goodies or play Russian roulette hoping one of these girls will date you?

Sorry for the silly example but where does it stop and do you trust anyone with such extreme power to stop?

 

[docmercer--banned]

What would Clinton do?

In honor of Joe Contrarian he would name the last week of Aprill:

NATIONAL DUMBASS WEEK

 

[JoeContrarian]

I don't trust anyone. You made an incorrect assumption in making a judgment and I simply corrected you. So you're more than welcome to revise your original statement...or not.

Carry on.

 

[kingbill]

I don't trust anyone. You made an incorrect assumption in making a judgment and I simply corrected you. So you're more than welcome to revise your original statement...or not.

Carry on.

Sorry my assumption was based on your incinuation.

 

[dinojs]

The Repugs are telling Bush to stay away ....

This is like watching the Titantic sink

IMO, taking over the legacy of this administration is not going to be fun for anyone. Energy, Security, Deficit, the dollar, immigration, world standing. Economy, real estate, personal debt, public debt, gas prices, terrorism. All in the shitter. Who really want to be the party associated with all the pain that it is going to take to fix that? It will take hard decisions to turn things around and I doubt if any of them are going to be made in the next two years. Dubya is already handing off Iraq to his successor! WTF. Maybe a 10 Trillioin deficit too, with interest rates maybe the nearest spend to Defense on there. Is the Military going to build those 14 state of the art complexes in Iraq and then just walk away? Give them to the UN? What a mess. Yet consumer confidence is high, so we'll just keep on borrowing and spending for another while yet. Is it just me or does anyone else feel some doom coming on?

 

[quantumleap]

Wiretapping Americans without court approval is clearly illegal, contravenes the 5th(?) amendment, and explaining that you will continue your illegal action is abhorrent. So he has committed an illegal act and breached his oath of office "to protect and defend the constitution of the United States". A breach of this solemn oath is surely reason for impeachment.

That's my opinion too Woody0. However, Bush told a lot of people on both sides that he was going to do this. I can't help but think that maybe there are certain situations where this is allowed. Perhaps under the Patriot Act. So maybe it's not illegal since a law makes it OK yet the law itself is unconstitutional. You can't impeach someone for following a law that is unconstitutional.

 

[Woody0]

You can't impeach someone for following a law that is unconstitutional.

Bush has broken his oath of office in many ways but the real truth is that you can't impeach this President while the Republicans control Congress.

For a government of the people, by the people, the people are pretty powerless. With a spineless Congress you need a means of more direct action by the people, such as the ability of the people to draw up impeachment charges. In fact I understand that individual states may have this power.