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Posts like this remind me of how little you have to offer this board. You just lied out your ass without even knowing anything about what you are talking about. He was originally recruited by Jimbo Fisher who wanted him bigtime. K St. and Louisville also recruited him. None of those are CUSA. And as far as the SEC is concerned, how many RB's can you name from any JC that play for ANY SEC team? You have nothing relevant to contribute other than bullshit lies. How can anyone ever take what you say as the truth? Don't EVER use the phrase "truth be told" because I could let out a big fart and tell more truth that way than anything you have to say.

And by the way, the "Weekly Reader" newspaper for normal 7 year olds and retards who are older like yourself is not the only newspaper out there. There may be other's suitable for your fellow 'tards, but I don't think Jethro or Billie Bob or any of your other classmates could get much from anything that doesn't have just one big photo per page.

Seriously, if you like the SEC, you would be doing them a big favor if you just STFU. It is very possible that they have many decent fans that do a lot for their image as a credible part of CFB, but shitfaced liars who don't even know the meaning of respect and show none of it to anyone make that whole conference look bad.


how dumb can you be.. memphis offered him and he took a visit there (thats conf USA buddy) .. sure he commited to FSU then pulled out, so what ? thats not SEC - my point still stands no SEC school offered him. period.

dont try to change the thing to fit how you want it


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Seriously, if you like the SEC, .


who said i do? hell i hope florida loses every game this year. i dont have to LIKE a conference to try to find some purpose on a message board as you so desperately do.

really man - give up ...id rather go outside and stomp on bugs than make you look foolish again tonight with your pathetic crying and cussin and namecallin ...respect deez
 

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how dumb can you be.. memphis offered him and he took a visit there (thats conf USA buddy) .. sure he commited to FSU then pulled out, so what ? thats not SEC - my point still stands no SEC school offered him. period.
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Another lie. That was not your point, this was:

"just the desperate conf-usa teams and Oregon"

Did you not say this? That was a lie.

You are a fukkn liar. You just lied again in your last post. And you also backpeddled to try to cover your lying ass. I'm done. There's no point in talking about anything to a bullshit/retard who has no huevos and can't even own up to his own words. Feel free to blabber all you want. Anyone who has followed this can see right through your lies. You can't even make a point without lying.
 

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Another lie. That was not your point, this was:

"just the desperate conf-usa teams and Oregon"

Did you not say this? That was a lie.

You are a fukkn liar. You just lied again in your last post. And you also backpeddled to try to cover your lying ass. I'm done. There's no point in talking about anything to a bullshit/retard who has no huevos and can't even own up to his own words. Feel free to blabber all you want. Anyone who has followed this can see right through your lies. You can't even make a point without lying.


you need jesus..... and psychotherapy for your self esteem issues
 

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Conan, how do we think the "oregon looked like shit on national tv so they'll be god value in week 2" angle is affected by this blount situation? If Oregon learns their lesson and gets focused so losing Blount plus all of the turmoil won't affect Oregon or maybe makes them stronger, then the angle is stronger. If Oregon is kind of a mess right now, it might be something to stay away from. I certainly wouldn't bet against them next week.

And take it easy on me and my occasional sarcasm, I'm a UF graduate.

Don't worry about it Club. I enjoy talking to posters that ask intelligent questions, or who keep it real, so I'll do my best to answer.

There is the possibility that the loss and the aftermath involving Blount may have discouraged a lot of players. But Kelly has done great things motivating his players as their OC so I don't think they will just fall apart.

They may rebound with a vengance vs Purdue. That's definitely one possibility. But now the season has taken a turn for the worse and I need to reevaluate them for the sole reason that they just lost their #1 RB.

Now they have one senior RB, Andre Crenshaw who is adequate but he's not the beast that Blount was. As a Duckfan (among other teams as well) I am pinning my hopes on LaMichael James who is just a freshman. He comes very highly touted as somewhat of a phenom in the image of Quizz Rogers. But he's the new guy. He may develop into something great the way Quizz did in his freshman year. FWIW, James also comes from the state of Texas like Rogers.

But the present situation has just doubled the pressure on QB Jeremiah Masoli. I am not sure how much he has developed a relationship with the rest of his backfield, but they are not without talent. But they won't have the kind of power type of running back they had in Blount. If history teaches us any lessons, it will take them some time to adjust to the new players before they begin to dominate opposing defenses. A la USF in the Sun Bowl with a new QB, but they had a month to prepare. Masoli needed plenty of time to learn the system and get himself grooved in last year before the Oregon offense emerged. Remember he started out the year as their 5th stringer.

I doubt that you've seen the last of a Chip Kelly offense, but it may be a while before it matures into what we've seen before, such as the one you saw in last year's Holiday Bowl vs OSU. Thre are also a couple of players due to heal and rejoin the offense, but then again, it will probably take a while for them to reintegrate.

Steele's ranking them out of the top 40 needs an asterisk next to that predictioin because I doubt that his crystal ball included Oregon losing thier #1 1000yd. starting RB. Personally, I have felt much more confident in Oregon St. this season because of their senior leadership and masterful coaching staff that has already proven itself. This development has defnitely put a different spin on the Duck situation. It's probably a good thing that it happened when it did because Kelly has proven that given time, he will produce a very powerful offense.

We'll know after the Purdue game what's left on the table.
 

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I've grown conservative as a bettor in my old age. I was excited about playing on Oregon in week 2 after everyone writes them off after game 1 but I'll probably just direct my attention elsewhere unti the Oregon picture becomes clearer.

Now, if Oregon would just schedule Charleston Southern for their opener, they wouldn't have these problems. :toast:
 

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I've grown conservative as a bettor in my old age. I was excited about playing on Oregon in week 2 after everyone writes them off after game 1 but I'll probably just direct my attention elsewhere unti the Oregon picture becomes clearer.

Now, if Oregon would just schedule Charleston Southern for their opener, they wouldn't have these problems. :toast:

You know, coming from an SEC guy I think that was really funny. :toast:
 

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Here's the latest on Oregon's running backs. This just in today from the Eugene Register-Guard, by Oregon football beat writer Rob Mosley.

(Note that this was written early this morning before Blount's dismissal from the team. It has some very useful information about the rest of the Ducks' RB's)

After Thursday night’s melee in Boise, it’s incomprehensible to think that LeGarrette Blount will participate in Oregon’s second game of the season, next Saturday against Purdue in the home opener at Autzen Stadium.
Heck, it’s going to be shocking if Blount isn’t suspended for multiple games, at least from where I’m sitting. (Which is to say, in a Boise hotel room at 3:42 a.m. local time, so pardon me if I’m wrong.)
But the Ducks’ issues at running back go well beyond Blount’s probable suspension. Andre Crenshaw didn’t play tonight as far as I can tell, and that presumably had at least something to do with the foot injury he suffered last week in practice.
Also, junior Remene Alston didn’t even make the trip to Boise. He’s not injured, best we can tell, and based on all the walk-ons who made the trip, there’s no reason to think he was left home for performance reasons. Something’s got to be going on there.
And between Blount, Crenshaw and Alston, that’s all three UO running backs who had any experience prior to Thursday night.
What’s left on the depth chart are redshirt freshmen LaMichael James and Kenjon Barner. Both showed glimpses of their impressive athleticism Thursday. But each still only has just one game of college experience. And, with all due respect to walkons Craig Loper and Jide Shinaba, you need more than two running backs on the roster.
So, it stands to reason that a position switch may be in order for somebody else on the team.
A year ago, the next best candidate was Eddie Pleasant, whose 40-yard dash time was the same as James’ over the winter. But Pleasant is now entrenched as the starting strongside linebacker, and it’s hard to see the Ducks moving him over to offense to be a backup.
Just guessing here, but I’d say the next logical candidate is redshirt freshman cornerback Scott Grady. He ran for nearly 1,300 yards as a senior at Tigard High School in Oregon, and is in the mix as a kick returner with the Ducks. Plus, he’s no better than second-string on defense, so you wouldn’t be hurting that unit by moving him to running back.
And you simply have to move somebody to running back at this point if you’re Oregon, unless Crenshaw and Alston are good to go this week. Right?
 

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this happens every year,every week with all kinds of teams. its public perception. no denying boise dominated last night but oregon was still only 1 td from covering(depending on your line) oregon will find a replacement. it was very emotional for both sides leading up to the game. its over now. no doubt oregon looked lost out there and thats what people will remember. they will be scared putting money on an oregon team who played like shit and lost their #1 rusher for the season. my money says oregon regroups and autzen is still a headache for opponents. if vegas offers anything under 10 against purdue i'll be all over it.
 

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Conan: My point was that a lot of the Oregon showing against Boise falls on Kelly's shoulders. He had forever to prepare for that game, he had motivation due to the loss LY and the cheap hits in last years game, and all the pregame hype about having a chance to give Boise a rare home defeat. I agree, one game does not a season make. However, now Kelly gets one week and one week only to prepare for most of the games remaining on their schedule. They have the after game incident hanging over them, and I am sure there is a lot of Boise St hangover in Eugene right now. Sure most teams do not peak on week one and they should get progressively better as the season goes on. They now go without their star RB and that is not a good way to proceed to week two to say the least. there was no excuse for Thursdays performance except that they were not ready. That is now Kelly's job and it is a step up and much more demanding than being an OC and QB guru. Do they go into week two with anything to build on, not much. They get 9 days to get ready for Purdue and it is a home game and then the following week they get Utah at home, then Cal at home. The bad thing about what you said about getting better every week is that holds true for your opponents also. I think Kelly has inherited a possible nightmare and Belotti should not get a pass on this one either. They seem to have dropped the baton on the first exchange and this relay race takes four months to run. Again, not rubbing salt in the wound but I saw what your saw and it was not pretty.
 

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Conan: My point was that a lot of the Oregon showing against Boise falls on Kelly's shoulders. He had forever to prepare for that game, he had motivation due to the loss LY and the cheap hits in last years game, and all the pregame hype about having a chance to give Boise a rare home defeat. I agree, one game does not a season make. However, now Kelly gets one week and one week only to prepare for most of the games remaining on their schedule. They have the after game incident hanging over them, and I am sure there is a lot of Boise St hangover in Eugene right now. Sure most teams do not peak on week one and they should get progressively better as the season goes on. They now go without their star RB and that is not a good way to proceed to week two to say the least. there was no excuse for Thursdays performance except that they were not ready. That is now Kelly's job and it is a step up and much more demanding than being an OC and QB guru. Do they go into week two with anything to build on, not much. They get 9 days to get ready for Purdue and it is a home game and then the following week they get Utah at home, then Cal at home. The bad thing about what you said about getting better every week is that holds true for your opponents also. I think Kelly has inherited a possible nightmare and Belotti should not get a pass on this one either. They seem to have dropped the baton on the first exchange and this relay race takes four months to run. Again, not rubbing salt in the wound but I saw what your saw and it was not pretty.

OK whatever Russ.

I don't understand why WHO was to blame (which is so obvious I don't know why you even bothered to say it was the coach)... is more important than WHY? And how on earth can you assume that you know the nature of Chip Kelly as a head coach after seeing him in just one game in possibly one of the hardest stadiums to win at in the whole country?

Nevertheless, I can agree with you that it wasn't a pretty sight. How can you explain a 600+ yard performance vs a top B-12 team in the Holiday Bowl by essentially the same "scoring" personnel, less 3 linemen and one RB and one soso WR only and yet lose 450 yards? There must be more to it than just that.

I believe in my heart of hearts that it is a chemistry lesson and a missing link that I have a theory about because I have spotted something consistent about Kelly offenses that has cropped up time and time again for the past 3 years and counting. I only had a glimpse of it before, now I think there's something more to it.

Keep in mind that Kelly's system has NEVER worked immediately in ANY season. I have noticed that it takes 1 or 2 months for it to gel, depending on how many times he needs to start over during the process with new players. The reason why is because his genius is beyond most people's ability to grasp but not beyond his ability to teach.... ergo, it takes a while.

More than anything else, I believe that process was in effect at the time the game was played and Boise is not a team you want to be caught up in the process for in any way whatsoever.

So if you are saying he's guilty of being unprepared, yes, it's true, but is he guilty of not preparing, no. He has yet to figure out how to speed things up with a very complex system of assignments and QB decisions. It took Masoli 2 months to get it with the players at his disposal last year. Now the group has lost some players and found some new ones. It's true nature being the focus of the 11 starters has yet to emerge. Why?

3 weeks of fall practice is OBVIOUSLY not enough time with as many new personnel involved as there happens to be for a Kelly offense to gel and perform up to its capabilities. It has never been enough time for a Kelly offense to gel and become what its nature says it is. A teams unique identity of you will.

In Peterson's case, his system requires next to no time at all (compared to Kelly's) to polish up and set in motion. I also watched him in his first game and I was virtually shocked at how effective all those new guys were able to compete as well as they did. I never forgot that either, not until a couple of weeks ago when his new guys were shown to be just as plentiful as Oregon's new guys. Then I began to doubt my first take about Boise being just one damn tough nut to go against, especially on smurf turf. Indeed, maybe they were compromised. Apparently not. They did not come out as the same team that beat Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl. But in all fairness and probably in truth too, they were just a little bit too rusty not to notice.

The difference here was the systems that the HC's teach. Kelly's system, in my heart of hearts I believe to be better which for me is a big reason why I liked the Ducks and maybe one day I will get another chance to prove that theory. (I have learned that Oregon State wants another shot at the Broncos.) But in this very situation, Peterson had the advantage of having a system that is quicker to learn. And he is also very very good. Thus the disparaging difference in execution between Boise St. and Oregon.

It's not fair to judge a HC or a team by the mistakes it makes on the playing field in the beginning of a new season. But it's equally fair to judge a team or a HC that continues to commit the same mistakes week in and week out, perhaps even longer than that without correcting anything... assuming that there isn't a big talent issue which then becomes a problem of a different sort, one that may never go away, even if the personnel are above most.

I am almost 100% certain that I have nailed it. I make mistakes but I am determined to learn from them. If you are willing to bear with me to test these theories, you are welcome to tag along. I am a firm believer that a thing is the way it is because that's its nature and it must act by its nature and be what it is. So what is the true nature of Oregon's team an its head coach? I think that answer is obvious but can it perform according to its nature... yet?

Think back to when Dennis Dixon was hurt in '07. Oregon and Kelly's offense would have made it into the NC game and probably won it because they were virtually unstoppable. But for several games after Dixon was injured, Kelly's "tougher than most" learning curve got to Oregon and it took a while for him to reshape his offense with new personnel. They barely made it into the Sun Bowl as the 3rd place team in the conference.

But then he was given a month to prepare and their 5th string starting QB, Justin Roper ran that offense to a tee. Why? Because Kelly was given enough time to prepare it. This is not the same thing as game preparation with game plans and tapes of your opponent to work from and get it done in a week. It was far greater a thing than that. It was back to basics and learning the options that the system offers all from the start again with a new QB who needed to learn it before much game planning was possible. That's the part that takes a lot of time with Kelley's teams. What we saw was a work in progress, not a finished product. Now he will need to continue on with yet another new player who will start at a key position in the backfield.

I wish Ducks were here because he could shed a little light on who has been practicing with the 1's along with Blount and Masoli... without that information I cannot say how much longer it will take for the Duck offensive engine to warm up and get back out on the highway in the fast lane where it belongs. That's not likely for another month, but I bet you it won't sputter as bad as it did when it was started up and driven cold on Thursday.


It's a fair question to ask why I would think that. The reason why is because I have seen exactly that come out of Kelly's work 3 times in a row thus far since he was first hired to coach at Oregon.

Perhaps Boise is also a much better team than anyone suspects, consistently year after year in most cases. That was my first take on Thursday's game and I am kicking myself for allowing my first impression to get buried. Remember, I am not from Oregon but I live here. Ducks attended UO and I'm sure this game hit him much worse than it did me.

The more I look back on it, the more I think srewing up the opinion of the game was a case of making a case for the sake of making a case, (you are guilty of doing that often yourself) where dragging in various facts appears to make a good argument but it obviously isn't the best argument or the most pertinent argument or the right argument. Just a bunch of nicely concocted words that some guys learn to use to win an argument from a losing position. (OJ Simpson's lawyers?) It doesn't mean they were right.
 

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Conan: I realize you are closer to that program than I am. Not about that. Same with Ducks. What I am really getting at is whether or not Oregon is a top 10 or 15 team. Yes, I expect them to improve but not enough to get to the spot where many people picked them among the nations elite. They are not an elite team and though they evolve and improve so will everyone else. My other point was that Boise is not an elite team either and they also will evolve and improve but their schedule is much easier than Oregons. My comments about Kelly are an honest appraisal based on empirical facts, I saw that game with my own eyes. Like I said a lot of us do not watch a lot of west coast games because of the game times, etc. I guess that I, like a lot of others, just expected more, from both teams. As more games are played today, we will have a chance for the first time to again see them with our own eyes and rate them in our own minds. Based on what I saw Oregon has room for a lot of improvement and are definitely no where close to what they were last year. It seemed to me that a lot of their success LY had to do with Masoli running the ball more. The most obvious thing that I saw was that Masoli, although he is experienced, did not play that way. I looked for leadership from him and I did not see it. Kelly is now the head coach and he got out coached in game one. Will he get better, not a given either way. If I was a recruit watching that game I am not in a hurry to move to Eugene to play for that team. Yes, they will improve but it is directly related to the fact that they have no where to go but up based on what they showed us Thursday. There is no hositility intended in my posts concerning Oregon or Kelly, and I think a lot of people out there were seeing the same thing that I did. They were very simply over rated and they will not be the only rated team to hit a speed bump in week one.
 

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