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It is part of the Ukraine.

Secondly, Obama needs to open up a history book and see how Reagan took care of the USSR. He drove the oil prices down from above the $40 per barrel mark to approx. $18 per barrel. This crippled the Soviet economy.

Obama has done just the opposite. When he was elected, we were paying on average $1.68 per gallon of regular unleaded. Look what it is now. Russia is getting rich.
 

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It is part of the Ukraine.

Secondly, Obama needs to open up a history book and see how Reagan took care of the USSR. He drove the oil prices down from above the $40 per barrel mark to approx. $18 per barrel. This crippled the Soviet economy.

Obama has done just the opposite. When he was elected, we were paying on average $1.68 per gallon of regular unleaded. Look what it is now. Russia is getting rich.

What is part of the Ukraine Mike?
 

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The thing we are talking about.

Crimea. That is why the Ukraine is even involved in this. If it wasn't part of it, then they wouldn't be looking to secede and join Russia. Even though they are part of Ukraine, they have their own constitution.
 

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here's a good read.

http://www.institutionalinvestor.co...ia-Go-to-War-Over-Ukraine-Dont-Bet-on-It.html

[h=2]Will Russia Go to War Over Ukraine? Don’t Bet on It[/h]04 Mar 2014 - Vitaliy Katsenelson

It is hard for me to see a full-blown war between Russia and Ukraine. There are so few cultural differences between these two countries. Ukraine has its own language, but almost everyone (outside of small villages) speaks flawless Russian. If there is a war between these two countries, it will be a civil war.
Ukraine is being pulled in three directions. The western side of the country, the one that is geographically closest to Europe and more industrialized, wants to be part of Europe and wants to retain its Ukrainian culture. The eastern part is heavily populated by Russians and wants to be part of Russia. And then there is Crimea, the stepchild that feels it has been neglected by its new parent (Ukraine) and wants to be closer to its biological parent (Russia). Just like Sochi, which is also on the warm Black Sea, Crimea is a tourist destination, and from what I’ve heard, it generates a lot of tax revenue that is sent to Kiev but gets little back.
I don’t see Russia conquering Ukraine for one simple reason: Ukraine is not Norway, which has an $800 billion sovereign fund and is extremely wealthy. (I hope I’m not giving Mr. Putin new ideas here.) Ukraine is as poor as Russia would be without oil and gas. At $3,867, the country’s GDP per capita is barely one quarter that of Russia’s ($14,037). There are no synergies between the two countries except that if they were to merge, Russia would have to worry less about the natural gas pipeline that goes through Ukraine to Europe. Putin is anything but dumb or economically illiterate; integrating Ukraine into Russia would be like tying a giant weight to Russia’s neck.
Trying to read Putin’s true intentions is difficult — or maybe not. Putin wants to walk a fine line and not veer too far from the Russian constitution. (In another life he would be a great U.S. lawyer.) Let me give you an example of how he operates. The Russian constitution allows the president only two consecutive (an important word) terms. Putin probably could have done a Bloomberg and changed the constitution to run for a third term, but he didn’t. He helped his then–puppet prime minister, Dmitry Medvedev, to become president and then championed a change in the Russian constitution to extend the presidential term from four to six years. At the end of Medvedev’s first term in 2012, Putin then ran for president again and won. He virtually guaranteed himself power for 12 years without violating the constitution.
Putin wants to nudge Crimea toward autonomy from Ukraine. Crimea was going to hold a referendum on that issue on May 30, which now will be pushed up to March 25. You may ask, Didn’t Putin just invade another sovereign nation? By placing troops in Crimea, Russia violated international law, but a strong country can justify breaking international law if it considers its actions morally right. The U.S. broke international law by sending SEAL Team Six to Pakistan to kill Osama bin Laden. The U.S. did not ask and never got permission from Pakistan for our military to cross its borders, so we did violate international law; but not a single U.S. citizen (including present company) was upset about it.
Also, the Russians don’t consider Crimea to really be part of Ukraine because until 1954 it belonged to Russia. Half of its population is Russian. Currently, Russians see their troops in Crimea as peacekeepers, protecting their fellow Russians from “Ukrainian nationalists.” Putin is placing a bet that the upcoming referendum will legitimately (at least in Russian eyes) make Crimea autonomous from Ukraine. Ukrainian law doesn’t recognize this referendum as legitimate, but a few thousand troops on the ground and the presence of the Russian Navy may change Kiev’s mind.
An autonomous Crimea is a Russian Crimea. Maybe Putin, by taking advantage of political instability in Ukraine, will achieve what he really wants: control of a very strategic warm-water port without spilling a single drop of blood. He hinted at as much on Tuesday in his first public comments since the incursion, telling Russian media that he saw “no need” to use force in eastern Ukraine.
The international community, including the U.S., may show its outrage, but options are limited to unfriending Russia on Facebook or — worst case, if things really escalate — unfollowing Russia on Twitter. We will not go to war with Russia over a peninsula that used to belong to Russia. If this story ends at Crimea (no Russian troop movements toward Kiev), then Europe and the U.S. will issue some empty threats and the G-8 will revert to the G-7 for a while. But international rhetoric will die down, especially if Crimean voters opt for autonomy. Russia will keep its “peacekeepers” in Crimea with the blessing of a newly minted “autonomous” republic (which on paper will still be part of Ukraine).
Finally, as a bonus to Russia, Ukraine may become ineligible to join NATO, as its charter prohibits new members that have ongoing territorial disputes. So Putin may be playing three-dimensional chess while the rest of the world is still learning checkers. Or perhaps he is just an egotistical maniac who wants to bring the gang (the former Soviet republics) back together. Time will tell.

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Exactly, Only reason he moved on Crimea is to protect his pipelines. The U.S wants to make a big deal out of this, But didn't we fabricate WMD to move on IRAQ to get a bead on the OIL there?

The US invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with oil.

The reasons for the decision to go to war were well articulated.
 

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No worse than what it already is.....Putin does not care if his people starve to death or not.

Why im amazed that conservatives are praising Putin and saying he is a true leader. The guy is a complete wackjob.
 

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Like I said before... Just throw Obama and Putin in a cage and let them fight it out like men. Sell it on Pay-Per-View and each country gets 50% of the proceeds to put into their economy.

Would be the biggest pay-per-view take ever.

I would have to lay the heavy odds and place a wager on Putin.....
 

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Fixed your post.

You can change my posts all you want. I wont change how crazy you guys look waving pom-poms for a guy because he rides a horse without a shirt. putin is a crazy wacko and conservatives are actually saying they prefer him to be their leader over obama. Might be the dumbest talking point yet from conservatives and that's saying something.
 

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Why im amazed that conservatives are praising Putin and saying he is a true leader. The guy is a complete wackjob.

Not sure where you are hearing that, I'm hearing the exact opposite. They are saying Obama is not handling this situation correctly. If they were praising Putin, then by default there would be no situation to mishandle.
 

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Like I said before... Just throw Obama and Putin in a cage and let them fight it out like men. Sell it on Pay-Per-View and each country gets 50% of the proceeds to put into their economy.

Would be the biggest pay-per-view take ever.

I would have to lay the heavy odds and place a wager on Putin.....


Putin toughness is all propaganda....he shot and killed a tiger who was put to sleep and laying there dead.....then they took a pic of putin with a gun next to the tiger. It sent the Palin loving idiots into wack off mode but it was all staged nonsense.
 

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You can change my posts all you want. I wont change how crazy you guys look waving pom-poms for a guy because he rides a horse without a shirt. putin is a crazy wacko and conservatives are actually saying they prefer him to be their leader over obama. Might be the dumbest talking point yet from conservatives and that's saying something.

If I had to choose to vote between Obama and Putin, I would do like I did last election .... Sit at home and not vote. Neither of those guys are worth the highest public office, just like the last election between Obama and Romney.
 

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Not sure where you are hearing that, I'm hearing the exact opposite. They are saying Obama is not handling this situation correctly. If they were praising Putin, then by default there would be no situation to mishandle.

Fox news has been out of control with Hannity and guys like that fraud Ralph Peters, praising putin in comparison to obama as a leader.

How in the world would you like him to handle this? How do you deal with a pyscho....beyond going to war....what else is there to do? Bush handled putin the same way and nobody was saying a word. Not much can be done that is not being done.
 

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If I had to choose to vote between Obama and Putin, I would do like I did last election .... Sit at home and not vote. Neither of those guys are worth the highest public office, just like the last election between Obama and Romney.


I see it different....lots of people died for the right to vote....ive gone to the booth and not voted before but it still shows that you showed up at the polls. Just my opinion.

However, you mihgt think obama isnt qualified but that is much different than being a complete lunatic like Putin. I thought Romney was a joke but i would go to the polls to vote for him over a maniac.
 
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The US invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with oil.

The reasons for the decision to go to war were well articulated.

How in the world would you like him to handle this? How do you deal with a pyscho....beyond going to war....what else is there to do? Bush handled putin the same way and nobody was saying a word. Not much can be done that is not being done.

How Bush handled Putin is irrelevant. It's a tough spot for Obama, but no one said the job was easy. He signed up for this.
 

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I see it different....lots of people died for the right to vote....ive gone to the booth and not voted before but it still shows that you showed up at the polls. Just my opinion.

However, you mihgt think obama isnt qualified but that is much different than being a complete lunatic like Putin. I thought Romney was a joke but i would go to the polls to vote for him over a maniac.

Yep, its my right to vote, and I chose not to exercise it last election. No sense in voting for Democrat (bad) or Republican (bad), its the same thing no matter who gets into office. We elect who the Media and Big $$ tells us to elect. And the American Voter falls for it every time. There is a reason that Big $$$ and the Media spend hundreds of millions of dollars supporting the Democrat/Republican party, cause they know they are bought and paid for, and will do as they are told.

Now, give me an average Joe off the street, who works 40-60 hrs per week, supports his family, and doesn't care to have big $$ stuff his pockets. That guy would be assassinated and/or drug through the mud so bad by the media, he wouldn't make it to the election date.
 

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How Bush handled Putin is irrelevant. It's a tough spot for Obama, but no one said the job was easy. He signed up for this.

Of course it is relevant to comapre how presidents handle simliar situations. It is especially relevant when those same people are blasting obama that protected bush.

What is obama not doing that he should be?
 

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Yep, its my right to vote, and I chose not to exercise it last election. No sense in voting for Democrat (bad) or Republican (bad), its the same thing no matter who gets into office. We elect who the Media and Big $$ tells us to elect. And the American Voter falls for it every time. There is a reason that Big $$$ and the Media spend hundreds of millions of dollars supporting the Democrat/Republican party, cause they know they are bought and paid for, and will do as they are told.

Now, give me an average Joe off the street, who works 40-60 hrs per week, supports his family, and doesn't care to have big $$ stuff his pockets. That guy would be assassinated and/or drug through the mud so bad by the media, he wouldn't make it to the election date.

I dont believe that at all. I dont vote a certain way because the media or big money tells me to. Elections are expensive...we all understand that but that doesnt mean you're being brainwashed on who to vote for....well, maybe fox news watchers.
 
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Of course it is relevant to comapre how presidents handle simliar situations. It is especially relevant when those same people are blasting obama that protected bush.

What is obama not doing that he should be?

If your goal is intelligent debate it is irrelevant. As I said, this is as tough spot for Obama. He's going to be hard pressed to find allies in Europe, considering Russia supplies 1/3 of their natural gas imports. I don't envy his job, but as I said he signed up for it. This is part of the deal.
 

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