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You are such an idiot. Bush was a buffoon and fellow idiot who took over the country that had a surplus and tremendous growth and fucking ran it off the cliff into the 2nd greatest depression EVER. On top of that he LIED about Iraq which resulted in the destabilization of the middle east. Now we have a narcissist buffoon who is just as stupid and overly obsessed with his popularity in a very scary way. His lying, excuse me- alternative facts, will be the basis of this goof's presidency.

How about this, and agree with Scott, shut the fuck up, actually listen to people who know what they are doing (intelligence community) Stop worrying about what liberals are doing and saying, grow a set of balls and do your job...not on Twitter. He's not a reality tv star anymore and I'm not sure he realizes that....or ever will for that matter. Focus on healing this country and shit that matters (not voter fraud that doesn't exist to a great extent) and create real reform.


Best post in the thread.

Bush was a drunken narcissist moron who ignored the advice of counsel to push his own idiotic agendas.

- ignored 911 hijacking warnings to golf and vacation for an entire month
- ignored Iraq warnings (from CIA and his own father) and invaded, giving birth to ISIS
- ignored Katrina flooding warnings to go on vacation
- ignored Housing market crash warnings to pass the largest housing welfare law in history that gave away homes to the poor

Only pea-brained morons defend this colossal failure.
 

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^^^^^^^

so many inaccuracies, so little time

let me sum it up this way, your are a CNN headline citing scholar
 

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^^^^^^^^^

Pea-brained moron.
 
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Someone needs to tell the guy to have some patience. I'm sure his supporters love that he's in a rush to keep his campaign promises but it's a bad look when the implementation is a cluster fuck.
 

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They’re despicable people and need to be treated as such. He should do anything and everything to punish them politically and continue to make them look like the fools they are.


One last thing, this quote really sums up the new conservative movement. Since when is someone with a differing opinion despicable? Why would one side spend time, energy and resources punishing those who have a differing opinion? This country was founded on differing opinions but now has become so polarized by the two political parties, we are destroying ourselves from the inside out. George Washington warned of this:

"The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.
It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another."


The two sides used to work together in collaboration, we no longer do and unfortunately this prez has done nothing but to get the lunatic fringe all riled up.
 
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One last thing, this quote really sums up the new conservative movement. Since when is someone with a differing opinion despicable? Why would one side spend time, energy and resources punishing those who have a differing opinion? This country was founded on differing opinions but now has become so polarized by the two political parties, we are destroying ourselves from the inside out. George Washington warned of this:

"The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.
It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another."


The two sides used to work together in collaboration, we no longer do and unfortunately this prez has done nothing but to get the lunatic fringe all riled up.

This is a good post. I would mention that you could sub the word conservative for liberal in the first sentence and still be equally as correct.
 

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This is a good post. I would mention that you could sub the word conservative for liberal in the first sentence and still be equally as correct.


True- just seems that conservatives today are so more angry. Just look at the posts in this forum- very little solutions, just anger toward other side.
 

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One last thing, this quote really sums up the new conservative movement. Since when is someone with a differing opinion despicable? Why would one side spend time, energy and resources punishing those who have a differing opinion? This country was founded on differing opinions but now has become so polarized by the two political parties, we are destroying ourselves from the inside out. George Washington warned of this:

"The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.
It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another."


The two sides used to work together in collaboration, we no longer do and unfortunately this prez has done nothing but to get the lunatic fringe all riled up.

Probably because one side still believes in freedom (American values) while the other believes in Marxism (Venezuelan values).

Americans died in wars to fight the crap modern Alinsky Democrats want to impose on everyone.

Get with the program.
 

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Probably because one side still believes in freedom (American values) while the other believes in Marxism (Venezuelan values).

Americans died in wars to fight the crap modern Alinsky Democrats want to impose on everyone.

Get with the program.


A simplistic misguided assumption/divide that does nothing but assure the warnings of Washington come to fruition.
 

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I agree, ignore the libtards and RINOs and do what you say you were going to do.
Which leads me to my 2nd piece of advice. When it comes time
to pass legislation make sure you hold McConnell and Ryan
accountable to get the bills to your desk so you can sign them.
 

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True- just seems that conservatives today are so more angry. Just look at the posts in this forum- very little solutions, just anger toward other side.

The Solution has been posted, many times. Summit of Religions that sees the outdated, archaic, primitive no-longer-relevant-thus leads-to-conflict between Belief Systems (differing Faiths) stuff in the Holy Texts pared off. Revised or Removed.

This eventually gets done, Humanity finally GROWS UP, Matures to a point where they do this, embrace this solution and accomplish this

or there will be War. Ongoingly and Never-Endingly.

This is not "complex", this obvious Truth. Getting it actually done would be COMPLEX cuz: HUMANS

but it can be accomplished.

Some within Islam would not abide such a Solution. Give these people their "Caliphate", a Homeland they can have as their own, people can go live there amidst Sharia Law.

Cut the stuff thats been killing us (and Them) for almost 14 Hundred Years and has led to the death of hundreds of millions of people out of the Religious Texts. This is our only hope.
 

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2nd Advice would be to call a Summit 'tween Western Leaders and Principles within the Islamic Faith who claim to be in favor of "Moderate Islam" to hammer out a solution to the ongoing for 1400 years now Terror and War, MISERY that the tenets of the ideology of Islam demand.

So as to try and form a coalition to finally lessen this problem.
With all due respect that's a waste of time. It's been tried
by numerous people numerous time to no avail. Just accept that
it's not going to happen and move on. There are many more things
to accomplish than trying to broker a piece deal with those who
don't want one.
 

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I would take it a step further than what you said Dave. I would suggest that Trump not take anything the Democrats say at face value. Lying is a central part of their political philosophy. GW Bush tried to be friends with them and they lied about his policies and threw him under the bus at every turn. They’re despicable people and need to be treated as such. He should do anything and everything to punish them politically and continue to make them look like the fools they are.
I thought that was given. Take no prisoners.
 

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You are such an idiot. Bush was a buffoon and fellow idiot who took over the country that had a surplus and tremendous growth and fucking ran it off the cliff into the 2nd greatest depression EVER. On top of that he LIED about Iraq which resulted in the destabilization of the middle east. Now we have a narcissist buffoon who is just as stupid and overly obsessed with his popularity in a very scary way. His lying, excuse me- alternative facts, will be the basis of this goof's presidency.

How about this, and agree with Scott, shut the fuck up, actually listen to people who know what they are doing (intelligence community) Stop worrying about what liberals are doing and saying, grow a set of balls and do your job...not on Twitter. He's not a reality tv star anymore and I'm not sure he realizes that....or ever will for that matter. Focus on healing this country and shit that matters (not voter fraud that doesn't exist to a great extent) and create real reform.

You might agree with me that Trump needs to not run off with the mouth so much but I can't support paragraph one of your post. I don't wish to reargue Iraq as it's been debated to death here. But bottom line, No WMD ≠ he lied. Also if you look up destabilization in the dictionary any time in the last 3,000 years there would be a big picture of the Middle East ...... Welcome to Poly!
 

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Someone needs to tell the guy to have some patience. I'm sure his supporters love that he's in a rush to keep his campaign promises but it's a bad look when the implementation is a cluster fuck.
So you want more talk and less action? Speaking of cluster fucks, isn't that what we had for the last 8 years?
I say damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead. A lot of work to be done, a lot to fix.
 

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With all due respect that's a waste of time. It's been tried
by numerous people numerous time to no avail. Just accept that
it's not going to happen and move on. There are many more things
to accomplish than trying to broker a piece deal with those who
don't want one.

As ScottL has cited where regards Palestine: "It is The Leadership (HAMAS, Hez'bollah whatever) which presents a Primary Obstacle to Peace.

And Yeah, a Summit including such people (The Saud Family Whabbists, Iranian Shia Leadership, other Sunni Factions etc.) would fail again, as you say.

I mean an Invitation to those among the 1.7 Billion Muslims on this planet who are genuinely desirous of Peace. Not every single one of the 944,221 of them or however many there are but Principles they choose among themselves to send.

WildCat Play here, I get The Football Hiked to someone who is totally not the Quarterback.

But IS (are) representatives of Muslim People who want an end to these Conflicts. Between not just The West & Islam, Christianity & Islam but also wars between the tribes of Islam.

Yes this plan would most immediately lead to instant Physical Conflict, War....to some unavoidable degree but only bcuz...once again..."Radical Islam."

The Very problem getting addressed and Yes, absolutely a part of The Solution would be to accommodate those who insist upon Jihad.

Presented with an Earnest Path to Peace, an end to conflict borne of opposing Faiths, we could be surprised by how many PEOPLE want this and would Step Up to achieve it.

"Leaders" not completely amenable to this solution, not on the list if invitees to the Summit.

They Buck? And some will...bcuz their translation of Islam demands that.


They get Put Down.
 

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Point Being and the tl;dr of that ^^^^ is PEOPLE at some point have to Create a Peace, among themselves. Looking towards Political and Religious Leaders to broker Peace has not worked.

If 3 Million Fat Chicks over 70 different cities and Idiot Celebrities can be russled up like the fat stupid mindless cows they are via Facebook and Twitter within a 72 Hour Period to Gather & March to rag on TRUMP

surely theres a chance that a Call for a Summit for Peace, to THE PEOPLE, To end War and save their damn lives and make a better planet for their kids can get done.
 

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A simplistic misguided assumption/divide that does nothing but assure the warnings of Washington come to fruition.

Uhh, no it's not. It just so happens the modern Democrat party has strayed so far from America's founding principles, achieving "common ground" is a laughable and extremely gullible fantasy.

The list of disastrous social engineering is long, but basically your party went off the rails post-JFK. Most of today's 'problems' we debate can be traced back to all the meddling, social engineering and central planning beginning with LBJ's "Great Society" and Ted Kennedy's disastrous radical immigration overhaul.

Your party single handily broke healthcare; broke immigration; broke the black family and black culture with their debilitating welfare programs basically treating blacks like helpless zoo animals; broke American culture overall (America has gone from a melting pot when its citizens could rally around a common set of values and principles to a now rapidly balkanized country); broke the economy (capitalism) with their onerous regulations and greedy draconian taxes under the guise of "fairness" and "social justice" to the point American companies can't even manufacture their own goods inside their own country. Hell, your party is so radicalized now that it sides with ILLEGAL ALIENS over hard working, taxpaying Americans - how FUCKED UP is THAT???? ;+)-

You're right about the Washington quote, but not for the reasons you think. Washington is rolling in his grave for what modern Democrats have done to his country.
 

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As ScottL has cited where regards Palestine: "It is The Leadership (HAMAS, Hez'bollah whatever) which presents a Primary Obstacle to Peace. And Yeah, a Summit including such people (The Saud Family Whabbists, Iranian Shia Leadership, other Sunni Factions etc.) would fail again, as you say.

(Honest talk here)

Israel: You can have Gaza and 97% of JEWdea and Sumeria 'AKA' 'The West Bank'. In exchange you must demilitarize because you've attacked us so many times in the past We will take responsibility for outside threats to your security border for the sake of our protection and yours.

Palestine: We want half of Jerusalem, all of BETHlehem (originally BAITlechem, 'Bait' = Jew btw), all of HEBrew (oops I mean, Hebron). Then we want the rest of Jerusalem, Haifa, and Tel Aviv.

Israel: You want to kill us all?

Palestine: No. We can do this peacefully. How about 'One person, one vote'? That is, all the residents of Israel and all the non-residents of Israel (of Jordanian, Egytptian and Tunisian ancestry but no longer residing there) vote in an election? After we win we'll then overthrow your democratic government and install a radical Islamist theocracy. How does that sound?

Israel: No Thanks!

Palestine: OK then, would you prefer bus station, festival and nightclub bombings, truck-rammings, home invasion mass murders, or multiple stabbings?
 

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Not my party- I can't stand either one. And I agree with Washington in that both are destroying the country.
 

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