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Disagree.
I think Mahomes has been the best player in the league
It really could go either way but there's not a big difference between the two. It's a coin flip and people aren't considering the 4th and 1s that Allen can convert and his running.
 

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1. Allen
2. Mahomes
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3. Hebert
4. Lamar
5. Burrow

Burrow's stock (read accuracy) drops significantly on any other team (no Chase and Higgins), can't stay healthy, pretty much no mobility and has a great coach who insulates his weaknesses. Other than that, I think Joe Burrow's an elite franchise QB!

You know what? #3-5 don't matter. In any given year, you could throw in Goff, Dak, Tua, Stafford, Hurts (last season), Purdy (this season), Cousins, Mayfield, Lawrence (last season)...#3-5 are usually interchangeable

Not picking Stroud after one season, I've seen way too many promising young QBs hit a wall after DCs study film and figure them out.
 
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Stefon Diggs is Washed Up​


Jason Smith: “Whether you realize it or not, we have seen the end of one player’s run as a superstar in the NFL, and we saw it Sunday. Stefon Diggs has been great for a long time, but what we’ve seen over the back half of this season and Sunday – that's it for Stefon Diggs being the superstar wide receiver for the better part of the last seven, eight years. They tried to force the ball to him – eight targets, he had just three catches. You see the plays where they try to force the ball to him, his separation is not there anymore, and now he’s having trouble making the contested catches. From the middle of October and on, he was ‘just a guy.’ His last 100-yard game was October 15th. It’s like he got old overnight. He’s not the 7-8-9 catches a game, no matter what -- Josh Allen could find him, guy anymore. That’s what the last few years was like with this Bills offense. He’s not that way anymore. James Cook has become a big weapon and one of the top running backs in the NFL, Khalil Shakir is making more plays and carving out a bigger role in the offense, Dalton Kincaid looks like he’s the next Travis Kelce... Stefon Diggs just isn’t the same guy. It started out weird this season when he missed some practice time and was very cagey, and he started out playing okay, but middle of the year he just hit the skids and he wasn’t the same player. He wasn’t getting the ball, and they couldn’t get it to him. It’s like he’s a DeAndre Hopkins or AJ Green – a player where you’re like ‘THIS GUY IS GREAT!’, and then overnight he’s really a number two. It’s weird to get used to because he’s still a big name but he’s not giving you the production of what he had been for most of his career. You may say ‘NAH, THE GUY IS JUST IN A LITTLE BIT OF...’ No, he’s sliding into ‘maybe the guy can go and be a three...’, but that’s where it’s going for Stefon Diggs -- on that DeAndre Hopkins, AJ Green, Julio Jones type path where very quickly they go from being a ‘one’, to now ‘uhh, if he’s on the team I guess it’s OK, but he’s not making a difference anymore’, and you saw this slide for the better part of three months. It’s a $30 million dead cap hit if they let Diggs go, so next year you’re just going to see him with Stefon Diggs’ name but his production is going to be down, and it’s going to be a new team somewhere else in 2025 when he’s 32 and just trying to stay in the league. He’s just not that guy anymore.”
 

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“We focus more on the one bad play Josh Allen makes every week than the 60 that almost no one else in history possibly could. His team would be SO bad if he didn’t ask him to do absolutely everything. He is the most unfairly judged player in the NFL.”

“…They’re playing the Chiefs this weekend. If he had wound up in Kansas City with Andy Reid and those guys, we’d be talking about him as being one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, (coordinating producer Jonathan) Fink!”
Mike Greenberg
 

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I believe Joe Burrow will win the MVP next year

I do think being concerned about his health is valid now though

But my gut feeling says he will stay healthy and win the award
 

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That's Diggs. 50/50 he catches it and it wasn't going to be a first down.
It's taken a while for some to catch on that Diggs is no longer a #1 WR.

Once they hit 30, some of these guys drop off fast without warning. Age 30 (or thereabouts, closer to 28-29) has always been the magic number for RBs to tail off, and now we're seeing the same trend for WRs with some exceptions.
 

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Also doesn't matter if Diggs would've gotten the first down

Worst case is that he gets to like 3rd and 2 or 3 and you bleed another 40 seconds of the clock

The whole point was not giving Mahomes the ball back
 

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The whole "he makes throws nobody else can make" is such a cliche and so over used.

First it was Marino, then Elway, then Favre, then Rodgers, then Mahomes now it's apparently Allen. Those are just the ones off the top of my head.

Not exactly sure what throws these are....but sure, whatever.
 

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The whole "he makes throws nobody else can make" is such a cliche and so over used.

First it was Marino, then Elway, then Favre, then Rodgers, then Mahomes now it's apparently Allen. Those are just the ones off the top of my head.

Not exactly sure what throws these are....but sure, whatever.
The long ass incompletion, aka the greatest throw ever lmao

Not sure how he left his final two throws so short with his superhuman strength LOL
 

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This whole 36 page thread can be summed up with 1 quote from white men can't jump "the white men(Mahomes) wants to win first and look good second and the black man(Allen)---well you know the rest"

Not a perfect analogy but basically the only argument i can think of for Allen over Mahomes.(Allen looks good) But Mahomes makes amazing plays himself. Its not like he has a bit of a noodle arm but puts up amazing numbers like a Peyton Manning.
 

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This whole 36 page thread can be summed up with 1 quote from white men can't jump "the white men wants to win first and look good second and the black man---well you know the rest"

Not a perfect analogy but basically the only argument i can think of for Allen over Mahomes. But Mahomes makes amazing plays himself. Its not like he has a bit of a noodle arm but puts up amazing numbers like a Peyton Manning.
Bills: ONE playoff birth over 18 years before Allen came to Buffalo.

Chiefs: Multiple division titles under Andy Reid before Mahomes came along. QB Alex Smith was winning Pro Bowls.

Neither Mahomes would have won in Buffalo at this point (yet), while Allen would have multiple Super Bowls in KC right now.

Apples to oranges.

You just can't seem to understand why things are the way they are in life.

So obtuse and so full of it it's unreal.
 

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