If the Bills the playoffs, are they the most overrated team of all-time?

[Avocado33]

Even with all the deep drops Allen had 258 total yards (rushing passing) and 3 tds and no turnovers, to Mahomes 234 total yards
2 tds and no turnovers. I'll take more tds and yards any day of the week, provided there are no turnovers. If not for a couple of those deep drops he has well over 350 yards. Now imagine if he played a weaker banged up D like Mahomes faced. Mahomes TEAM outplayed Allens team.

I mean Allen's team was also on the field for 37 minutes, to 23 for the Chiefs. The Bills ran 78 plays, the Chiefs 47. So the yardage totals make sense.

Passing-wise, Allen had 186 yards on 39 attempts -- 4.8 yards/attempt. Meanwhile Mahomes had 215 yards on 23 attempts (9.3 yards/attempt)

I think the Diggs throw was excellent, but it's still not a high % play just based on how long of a throw it was. The Sherfield pass was was catchable, but not a good throw at all.

It's true Allen didn't have turnovers, but he also had a few plays that should've been turnovers (3 on the last drive alone). Allen was overall just not very good as a passer -- I'll give you that he was the better runner than Mahomes, but Mahomes not really trying to run anyway.

I would say Allen played a good game overall, but Mahomes played a great game. And thus, Mahomes outplayed him.

Again, no one criticizing Allen. That's just how I see it

 

[phdinsports]

I don't know how you can say someone played better when they contributed less tds and yards than their counterpart. And it's hard to have a great passing game when your wr's are dropping deep balls. Anyhow in your analysis you left out the most important factor, and that's the defense each Qb faced. When you include that, the most important factor when judging a QB's performance, then Allen played better than Mahomes period! Faced a much tougher D, way more healthy, (this is indisputable) had more td's and yards, despite that fact his receivers dropped deep balls! Don't know how you can argue these facts. Way tougher opposition faced and it's not even close, more tds and yards, case closed!

 

[SheriffJoe]

Avo, you know very well Chase or Higgins make that catch (and many others) and then we're not having this conversation.

Mahomes can't even make that throw.

Rate the KC and Buffalo defenses, then based on the level of difficulty, tell us who played better. Even still, Allen almost won by himself. Both on the ground and in the air, the game was literally The Josh Allen Show.

Allen is the NFL's best and most underrated QB. He just needs better support.. a competent coach and better team around him, then he'll be unstoppable.

 

[Ricboff]

Even with all the deep drops Allen had 258 total yards (rushing passing) and 3 tds and no turnovers, to Mahomes 234 total yards
2 tds and no turnovers. I'll take more tds and yards any day of the week, provided there are no turnovers. If not for a couple of those deep drops he has well over 350 yards. Now imagine if he played a weaker banged up D like Mahomes faced. Mahomes TEAM outplayed Allens team.

intangibles cant be measured . The ability to produce when needed the most. Some unique players consistently do it-they just win. is what it is

you can nik pik at all the numbers until exhaustion and talk about the' waht ifs' for days and days..... but at the END OF THE DAY?

at the KC 26 ytd line. Under 2 minutes, KC only with 2 tos left . The game is in your hands ...GET IT DONE you're the fav and on home soil .. He didnt bro (pulled a Fed, lol). Underneath was wide open, easy 5-10 yds keep the clock running/force KC to use its TO (had only two).They were goign underneath all day , for 3 qtrs man lol. Required a methodical , patient qb to deliver, like we have seen with Brady ad nauseum . Josh? aborted wanted to take 2 shots in the endzone with a dee that was playing back. Ddint end well

sorry man, numbers just dont cut it sometimes -had to rely on the fg kicker, that didnt work then needed a mashed dee to give him another try and that didnt work


Josh has a 2 pm tee time at The TPC at Sawgrass today , playing off the tips

rumor is he's waiting for Lamar to join him next Monday they will play Doral ...................i think the MVP has other plans

 

[Serbone]

Do not ignore:

• Allen 72 yards rushing, 2 TDs
• Mahomes 19 yards rushing

The game was not about the QBs

KC had better players overall especially on defense, and Buffalo was banged up bad on defense

 

[Bozzie]

Buff out coached as well...rebuild time in buffalo

 

[phdinsports]

Avo, you know very well Chase or Higgins make that catch (and many others) and then we're not having this conversation.

Mahomes can't even make that throw.

Rate the KC and Buffalo defenses, then based on the level of difficulty, tell us who played better. Even still, Allen almost won by himself. Both on the ground and in the air, the game was literally The Josh Allen Show.

Allen is the NFL's best and most underrated QB. He just needs better support.. a competent coach and better team around him, then he'll be unstoppable.

So true! That's why he said it's a low percentage play. Low percentage for most, not for Allen or Rodgers!

 

[phdinsports]

intangibles cant be measured . The ability to produce when needed the most. Some unique players consistently do it-they just win. is what it is

you can nik pik at all the numbers until exhaustion and talk about the' waht ifs' for days and days..... but at the END OF THE DAY?

at the KC 26 ytd line. Under 2 minutes, KC only with 2 tos left . The game is in your hands ...GET IT DONE you're the fav and on home soil .. He didnt bro (pulled a Fed, lol). Underneath was wide open, easy 5-10 yds keep the clock running/force KC to use its TO (had only two).They were goign underneath all day , for 3 qtrs man lol. Required a methodical , patient qb to deliver, like we have seen with Brady ad nauseum . Josh? aborted wanted to take 2 shots in the endzone with a dee that was playing back. Ddint end well

sorry man, numbers just dont cut it sometimes -had to rely on the fg kicker, that didnt work then needed a mashed dee to give him another try and that didnt work


Josh has a 2 pm tee time at The TPC at Sawgrass today , playing off the tips

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rumor is he's waiting for Lamar to join him next Monday they will play Doral ...................i think the MVP has other plans

Speaking of "nik pik" your above post is all about "nik pik" You're taking a specific down in single drive and judging the entire performance. That is the definition of nik pik. Like I said before in his last two drives, when he's supposed to lead his team to victory, (when the last time playoffs TEAMS gave up 8 yards per play they gave up 62 and 49 points respectively pointing this out because all the idiots in the media stressing no plays over 20 yards, well if your D is giving up 8 yards a pop, you better just take short plays and use the clock which Allen did to keep your porous D off the field) his receivers dropped two deep balls! If they catch those balls the game is way different.

 

[Avocado33]

I don't know how you can say someone played better when they contributed less tds and yards than their counterpart. And it's hard to have a great passing game when your wr's are dropping deep balls. Anyhow in your analysis you left out the most important factor, and that's the defense each Qb faced. When you include that, the most important factor when judging a QB's performance, then Allen played better than Mahomes period! Faced a much tougher D, way more healthy, (this is indisputable) had more td's and yards, despite that fact his receivers dropped deep balls! Don't know how you can argue these facts. Way tougher opposition faced and it's not even close, more tds and yards, case closed!

I guess we have to agree to disagree

Chiefs have a below average rush defense and had a few key injuries going into the game themselves. Lost middle linebacker on first series of the game too.

I don't think you look at total yards and conclude Allen played better. The Bills ran 78 plays to Chiefs 47. Chiefs way more efficient offensively, and Mahomes way more efficient through the air

I mean the TD's thing also kinda weak as well. So Mahomes' performance would've been much better if he just snuck one in near the goal line?

Come on lol

 

[Avocado33]

Do not ignore:

• Allen 72 yards rushing, 2 TDs
• Mahomes 19 yards rushing

The game was not about the QBs

KC had better players overall especially on defense, and Buffalo was banged up bad on defense

I guess I don't understand why the line was the way it was then

Buffalo has been dealing with defensive injuries all year, but they've been a good unit during their winning streak. Maybe the last couple injuries did them in to where their depth just sucked

Chiefs weren't exactly healthy either on defense, and Chiefs are below average against the run when they're healthy. Plus they lost their middle linebacker in the first series of the game

I don't think Allen outrushing Mahomes is shocking. Allen rushing is a big part of their offense by design -- in fact he probably should do it less. Takes way too many hits. Mahomes preserved himself for the most part, but he did have the biggest run of the game in the second half to set up a TD

I think Allen had a good game

I just think Mahomes was better overall

 

[Avocado33]

Avo, you know very well Chase or Higgins make that catch (and many others) and then we're not having this conversation.

Mahomes can't even make that throw.

Rate the KC and Buffalo defenses, then based on the level of difficulty, tell us who played better. Even still, Allen almost won by himself. Both on the ground and in the air, the game was literally The Josh Allen Show.

Allen is the NFL's best and most underrated QB. He just needs better support.. a competent coach and better team around him, then he'll be unstoppable.

For what it's worth I think Mahomes could make that throw, personally. Though Allen has the bigger arm -- no debate there

Burrow has the weakest arm of the 3 and I've seen him deliver 60 yards in the air dimes before.

I wouldn't count on Higgins making that catch. Chase would though

KC better defense overall, but weak against the run and a little banged up themselves

Allen could've played better, but I still think he played well

 

[Ricboff]

Speaking of "nik pik" your above post is all about "nik pik" You're taking a specific down in single drive and judging the entire performance. That is the definition of nik pik. Like I said before in his last two drives, when he's supposed to lead his team to victory, (when the last time playoffs TEAMS gave up 8 yards per play they gave up 62 and 49 points respectively pointing this out because all the idiots in the media stressing no plays over 20 yards, well if your D is giving up 8 yards a pop, you better just take short plays and use the clock which Allen did to keep your porous D off the field) his receivers dropped two deep balls! If they catch those balls the game is way different.

lol, of course -that was the drive that could/should have ended the game ..haha. The fav on home soil deliverying and sending Mahomes PACKING

it was in his hands to win...like Fed with match point 5th set at Wimbledon..TOAST..who cares what happened in the 2nd set-deliver when NEEDED most .its not that hard man

 

[crudebar]

Lol. Still on this...

This would be like me bragging about Rodgers when GB lost to Tampa at home and Brady threw 3 second half ints.

That rodgers really showed him. I heard Brady cried after his 7th super bowl title because of how badly rodgers showed him up in green baby's loss at home as the favorite.

Rodgers also came up short on final drive.

 

[crudebar]

Amazing how delusional people have become. To the winner goes the spoils. Now the losers actually shit talk. Lol

 

[Avocado33]

lol, of course -that was the drive that could/should have ended the game ..haha. The fav on home soil deliverying and sending Mahomes PACKING

it was in his hands to win...like Fed with match point 5th set at Wimbledon..TOAST..who cares what happened in the 2nd set-deliver when NEEDED most .its not that hard man

Yeah and no one even saying Allen sucked lol it must be a defensive reflext

Fact is once Chiefs slowed down Cook, then the Bills offense didn't have a whole lot they could do. Allen fought and made a couple plays, but overall offense stalled late

23 plays for 59 yards in the 4th quarter

Frankly the Bills defense played pretty well in the 4th

 

[Avocado33]

Amazing how delusional people have become. To the winner goes the spoils. Now the losers actually shit talk. Lol

Yeah I mean if you advertise Allen as literally superman all year long, then you have to concede he didn't play as well as he could at home as a favorite at the end.

Like if you hold him to that high of a standard, then you have to expect he gets the job done

23 plays, 59 yards in the 4th quarter. I find it hard to believe that is the defense's fault

The praise has to come with the criticism

 

[phdinsports]

I guess we have to agree to disagree

Chiefs have a below average rush defense and had a few key injuries going into the game themselves. Lost middle linebacker on first series of the game too.

I don't think you look at total yards and conclude Allen played better. The Bills ran 78 plays to Chiefs 47. Chiefs way more efficient offensively, and Mahomes way more efficient through the air

I mean the TD's thing also kinda weak as well. So Mahomes' performance would've been much better if he just snuck one in near the goal line?

Come on lol

Come on LOL! Chiefs D wayyy better than Bills and healthier but you keep trying! Sneak one near goal line!?! They only gave up 10 tds all season, to get two in the playoffs is pretty darn good. You keep going, however you want to paint it, Allen had better numbers going against the much better D, and the TEAM with the much better D won the game!

 

[raiders72]

Yeah I mean if you advertise Allen as literally superman all year long, then you have to concede he didn't play as well as he could at home as a favorite at the end.

Like if you hold him to that high of a standard, then you have to expect he gets the job done

23 plays, 59 yards in the 4th quarter. I find it hard to believe that is the defense's fault

The praise has to come with the criticism

He played better than advertised. The game shouldn’t have been close considering that KC rushed for 7.5 yds/carry and the Buffalo running backs couldn’t run the ball in the 4th quarter. Every play was Allen pass or Allen run.

 

[Avocado33]

Allen had better numbers going against the much better D, and the TEAM with the much better D won the game!

He didn't though lol

Mahomes had a QBR of 91

Allen had a QBR of 65

QBR is a statistic that tends to overvalue running, by the way. It's not just a passing stat

 

[raiders72]

When the criticism of a player is dropping a dime on a ball thrown over 60 yds in the air, you know he was magnificent.