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Yeah, I dunno, I think by the time 2023 primary debates go down that covid will be a distant memory for most. Hell, it feels like it is already (as the Dems didn't pay much for their lockdown/school closure stupidity very much)..

Lockdowns/masking/school closures I don't think anyone associates with Trump. More blue state Gov/mayors/teachers unions. And any mistakes Trump did make on covid I think most can easily just chalk up to a novel and complex issue in its early stages.

Anything vax related I don't see hitting at all, Trump was never for mandates, just said he thought it worked and took credit for it. I don't think that's a big issue at all anymore. I understand you do, but don't think that's making hay with primary voters (for instance, I don't think anyone in this forum has a problem with Trump on that really and for its flaws, I do think this forum probably is a good proxy for GOP primary)

Could be wrong but just don't see any of that landing that big in a Republican primary. Trump's approval among GOP voters is 90%, he was loved on policy and anything he didn't get done is chalked up to congress or the Dems by his backers. I can't really see it being a negative.

I think an attack on Trump's temperament and some of the recent results which he shares blame for could be effective. But that's basically on the electability branch. DeSantis argument will need to be something along the lines of "You trying to 3peat on losses or you wanna win 1 of these years?" because the L's are piling up.

But it'll be interesting, they wouldn't take a stage together for another 9-10 months or so I'm sure. I think you and I would both probably have more to add when it finally came around.
conceivably much will be learned about Trump's power in the next month. There's no doubt he's polarizing but his flavor-of-the-month status is seriously in question. With his expected announcement to run coming on 11/15 and the likely campaigning heavily for Walker until 12/6 we should know which pole he's gravitating towards right now. It could be a make or break 27 days for The Donald.

The way I look at GA is Walker needs Kemp's help, not Trump's, but Trumpers ego won't let him take a back seat. Split tickets are pretty rare for GOV/SEN but clearly happened in GA where Kemp, who is Trump's nemesis, cruised while Herschel struggled. #34 is very lucky he got to the runoff and with Kemp's help plus the Libertarian vote there is no reason he doesn't win by a couple points. If he fails to do so lots of eyes will be on DJT
 

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conceivably much will be learned about Trump's power in the next month. There's no doubt he's polarizing but his flavor-of-the-month status is seriously in question. With his expected announcement to run coming on 11/15 and the likely campaigning heavily for Walker until 12/6 we should know which pole he's gravitating towards right now. It could be a make or break 27 days for The Donald.

The way I look at GA is Walker needs Kemp's help, not Trump's, but Trumpers ego won't let him take a back seat. Split tickets are pretty rare for GOV/SEN but clearly happened in GA where Kemp, who is Trump's nemesis, cruised while Herschel struggled. #34 is very lucky he got to the runoff and with Kemp's help plus the Libertarian vote there is no reason he doesn't win by a couple points. If he fails to do so lots of eyes will be on DJT

Yeah, I think he needs to mob boss this up. Announce within the next week or so to consolidate as much power in the GOP as possible. Has to make it look like DeSantis is running after him and challenging him, almost betraying loyalty is how he'll portray it. My guess is he understands this and will do so. He needs to cement himself as the alpha in the race and make DeSantis announcement almost a questioning of that. Whatever you wanna say about Trump, he lives for power struggles like that

Not sure Herschel coming up short matters too much, if Masto wins in NV then the Senate isn't on the line anyway so why would Trump even put his neck out for him? Most basically understand Herschel's shortcomings are of his own volition at this point anyway. Don't see Trump caring too much about some fairly inconsequential senate race. Maybe some tepid campaigning but he won't jump on a ship that might be sinking.
 

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Trump Threatens To Release Damaging Intel On DeSantis If He Runs For POTUS :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:


Whatta STAND UP guy, lol.

Donald Trump does NOT want any competition in the 2024 Republican primary, and he's reportedly threatening Ron DeSantis into not running. Trump is claiming that he will release damaging information about DeSantis if he runs for President, with some claiming that the former President may have information about an extramarital affair. While the exact info isn't known, Trump's threat likely weighs heavily on DeSantis' decision-making. Farron Cousins explains what's happening.

*This transcript was auto-generated. Please excuse any typos. According to a shocking new report from the New York Times, Maggie Haberman. Donald Trump says that Ron DeSantis is of course free to run for president should he choose to do so. However, if he does it, he better be aware that I've got a whole treasure trove of damning information about him that I won't hesitate to release. Donald Trump actually told the Wall Street Journal, I believe it was this following his rally on Monday evening. If he runs, he runs. If he did run, I will tell you things about him that won't be very flattering. I know more about him than anybody other than perhaps his wife who is really running his campaign. Kind of an ominous threat, right? Like, Oh, hey, you're free to run, buddy. Do whatever you want, but just know this. Should you do it, I will be there. I've got documents, I've got evidence, I've got information, and I won't hesitate to release it. Should you challenge me the Almighty Trump? I don't know. I kind of feel like Desant should take that bet, right? Like make him do it. Go out there publicly, Okay, The midterms are over. No, I mean, I know we're still counting votes. We gotta see who's gonna control what. But for DeSantis, the midterms are over. You won. You didn't just win. You won by one and a half million votes. The biggest margin of victory ever in the state of Florida. You got your mandate. Ron Trump's people across the country lost. You are in the driver's seat of the Republican Party right now. Ron, you got nothing to lose. So go out there, hold a press conference, address Trump's conference, uh, uh, comments, and say, Bring it on big boy. What you gonna do? What do you have? Huh? Go ahead and release this information. Ron. Just saying this won't do it. He's riding high right now. As I mentioned, biggest margin of victory for a Republican in Florida, um, ever. So he's gonna enjoy that for a couple days, but he knows Ron DeSantis knows based on the midterm results we saw this week. He's in the driver's seat and Trump has been kicked to the curb. Donald Trump does not have any real power in the Republican party. And with all of the attacks now coming against Trump, all the blame being placed on him for the horrible performance by the Republicans. It's coming from Fox News, it's coming from Newsmax. It's coming from conservative writers. It's coming from conservative politicians. Hell, as I talked about earlier today, it's coming from people that work for him. He is the problem they're telling us. All DeSantis has to do is sit back and watch everybody else go after Trump. Point out, haha. The emperor has no clothes, as I've been saying for two years now, And then DeSantis can swoop in. Even if Donald Trump has announced that he's running those polls showing Trump ahead, by the way, in the Republican 2024 primary, those are gonna change very quickly now that the midterms are over. Now that people see again that the emperor has no close, that Donald Trump's perceived power over the Republican party was totally imaginary. They're gonna change. They're gonna look at people like DeSantis. They're gonna look at Brian Kemp in Georgia. They're gonna look at Greg Abbott. They're gonna look at Christie Nom. They're gonna look anywhere they can to find a Republican that's actually capable of winning an election. Think about it this way. Donald Trump is so desperate to keep competition out, that he is now threatening to release damaging information about them that he swears he has. So why is he so desperate? Because Trump knows he can't actually win an election. He didn't win the popular vote in 2016. The next election, 2018, was when the blue wave happened. So lost the house. 2020, he didn't win the popular vote again, lost the White House. This time. Electoral College couldn't bail him out. Democrats retained the house, they gained the Senate, and now 2022 Republicans lose four state houses, four governorships. They were unable to flip multiple different states because of Donald Trump backed candidates. Democrats may keep the house in the Senate. It's a blood bath for Trump. He is poison in every election that he runs in DeSantis as far as the Republicans think is not.
 

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Warning: 0-114 Duhhhhhfinch and Rachel Madcow have now hopped on the "DeSantis needs to run!" Fake News bandwagon!

It's time to jump off!
 

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Warning: 0-114 Duhhhhhfinch and Rachel Madcow have now hopped on the "DeSantis needs to run!" Fake News bandwagon!

It's time to jump off!
Dubitch most gullible bitch in da house.

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Trump needs to declare that he is not running, but will endorse and campaign vigorously for the GOP nominee---so long as the nominee has a strong conservative America First platform.

At this point I like DeSantis, by far, though I honestly do not think any Republican will be able to win by 2024.


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This is sad!
 

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It gets worse lol
 

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Ladies and gentleman, the ring leader of the Republican Party hahah hahah!! (C’mon, if we don’t laugh, it’s just sad)
 

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Trump LOSES IT, Attacks DeSantis, Slams Media Over Election Disaster :ROFLMAO: :popcorn: :popcorn::dancefool:popcorn::+clueless:popcorn::trio:


-- Donald Trump flips out within hours of the 2022 election results, already attacking Florida Governor Ron DeSantis in what could be the tone for the entire 2024 Republican primary
 

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Trump EXPLODES Over Humiliating Backlash From His Own Party​


Donald Trump rages out over the whirlwind media backlash from his disastrous midterm election fallout and for blaming Melania Trump and Sean Hannity on his trouble during a late night Truth Social rant. John Iadarola and Adrienne Lawrence break it down on The Damage Report.
 
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This whole DeSantis vs Trump crap is yet another total globalist establishment FRAUD...

The Establishment Is Trying to Divide and Conquer MAGA​

By J.B. Shurk

There are videos making the rounds showing President Trump standing on stage in Miami's pouring rain while imploring Americans to get out and vote. The metaphor is striking. There's Trump, battling the elements, lively as ever, refusing to give up, insisting on finishing what he's started. Citizen Free Press appropriately notes that "President Trump is truly a force of nature."

I know that the months ahead will make for some spirited political debate among friends, but I encourage you to cement in your minds this quintessential image of Trump unbroken and unbowed. Whatever else can be said about the man (and there is plenty), he remains the only leader in our times unafraid to stand alone. When other self-proclaimed allies run the other way or look for somewhere safe to weather the approaching storm, Trump stands inside the tempest, demanding that it give up and surrender. That's something that will forever separate him from those who pretend to be him.

It has become normal to deconstruct Trump's public appeal to something as basic as he fights! Yet it is not just that Trump fights; it is why he fights that has attracted such a diverse voting coalition unlike any other political movement today.

Consider the Republican Party's consensus issues before Donald Trump descended the golden escalator and changed everything. By and large, Republican politicians defended the endless wars in Afghanistan and Iraq without question. They ignored the harms of illegal immigration as a taboo issue equated with racism. And they dismissed discussion of revitalizing American industry and manufacturing as unrealistic in a globalist system where cheap slave labor is plentiful overseas.

Republicans touted free trade, strong defense, and conservative values. In practice, however, respect for free trade amounted to enormous international trade deals that often benefited multinational corporations and foreign financial titans at the expense of local American companies and their blue-collar workforces. Military might consisted of waging wars with no discernible end in sight for aims that were frustratingly unclear. And defense of conservative values remained, at best, wishy-washy and often resembled nothing more than a lackadaisical endorsement of the same secular values first practiced by a progressively more radical political left only years before.

Republican Party leaders and their corporate lobbyists essentially manipulated and shamed hardworking, family-oriented, religiously observant, patriotic Americans into believing that respect for "free trade" requires them to sacrifice their jobs and savings; that their love of country requires their families to fight unending and often unwinnable wars; that their humanitarian spirit requires them to welcome millions of foreign nationals pouring through America's lawless, open borders; and that their dedication to morality and virtue paradoxically requires them to abandon truth and embrace the progressives' secular faith.

This has been the Republican agenda for decades. It encapsulates everything the Chamber of Commerce and Wall Street multinationals running the party desire — a cheap workforce both at home (illegal immigration) and overseas (offshore manufacturing); an American military enforcing global corporate hegemony; and a near-majority of the American people believing they are voting for freedom, prosperity, national self-defense, and traditional conservative values, when in actuality they are voting for corporate overlord stewardship committed to their diametrical opposites.

This paradigm — in which the Republican Party claimed to stand for things they actually stood against — worked swimmingly until an outsider named Donald J. Trump came along, started asking troubling questions very publicly, and ended up jolting millions of Americans wide awake. Trump dismantled globalism's secret interests by rejecting the Republican Party's sacred cows. He chose Main Street over Wall Street, American industry over offshoring, American citizens over open borders, middle-class wealth over multinational profits, and American security over endless foreign wars. By doing so, he brought manufacturing jobs home, stymied illegal immigration, increased take-home pay and savings, and made America energy-independent.

In defending America and Americans' direct interests and rejecting the globalist interests of a select planetary few, he shattered the D.C. Uniparty's illusion of political disagreement and its shared commitment to a deeply un-American status quo. In the process, he attracted a powerfully robust coalition of American voters from all walks of life. His stated policies and objectives appealed directly to Americans' minds, regardless of the colors or kinds of bodies those minds called home.

This is what makes President Trump so dangerous. MAGA is the biggest political coalition in the country. For the D.C. Uniparty to survive, MAGA must be destroyed.

Everything else that the Establishment Class has fraudulently peddled against Trump — that he's imperious, mercurial, uncouth, unworthy to hold office, a Russian spy, a warmonger, an insurrectionist, a "denier," a criminal — is nothing but an endless barrage of psychological warfare directed against MAGA voters and constructed of propaganda and lies. At heart, Trump's only "crime" is that he remains for America and against the totalitarian globalist system designed to subdue her once and for all.

MAGA, in other words, is a direct threat to the international coalition that insists on extinguishing American independence and freedom. For at least six years, the Establishment Class has worked to demolish not so much Donald Trump, but rather the assembly of MAGA Americans that have found each other and are now working together. The Uniparty has used all its tricks and sticks. It has tried shaming Christians. It has called Trump's supporters "Russian sympathizers." It has used the criminal (in)justice system to bully, harass, and imprison Trump allies. It has slandered MAGA voters as "terrorists," "insurrectionists," "fascists," and "racists." It has done everything it can to wear the MAGA coalition down, to abuse Trump-supporters so completely that they renounce him, and to intimidate the MAGA faithful so mercilessly that they relinquish their political sway. The Establishment Class has done this because MAGA represents an existential threat to its paradigm of global wealth and power.

With this in mind, as we venture forth down the 2024 road to the White House, do not forget that the Establishment's most important goal is to obliterate MAGA and lull Americans back to their previous pro-globalist slumber. Billionaire investor Ken Griffin, who has invested heavily in Governor DeSantis, has said so explicitly.

According to Politico, the big Republican donor wants to "blunt the vein of populism that has complicated the party's relationship with the corporate world."

Think about those words for a second. Griffin and his Establishment Club friends want the American people to stop voting for things in their own best interest and return to a time when they voted for things in the best interest of the small, insular, privileged, corporate few. Isn't it strange that "elites" defend "democracy" only when the few at the top of the economic pyramid get their way but always denounce as vulgar "populism" anything like the MAGA movement that pursues the broader wants and needs of the American people?

There's an awful lot I like about Ron DeSantis, but when he is backed by Paul Ryan, Jeb Bush, the Lincoln Project, and big-money anti-MAGA donors like Ken Griffin, I see only two possibilities: (1) either they think that Governor DeSantis will eventually play ball with the Über-Globalists or (2) they are committed to dividing the MAGA coalition between DeSantis and Trump, conquering MAGA once and for all, and forcing voters back to the Establishment-approved, corporate Republicanism embraced by the likes of Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy, Asa Hutchinson, Larry Hogan, Tim Scott, and Nikki Haley.

I reject any path forward that forfeits hard-won MAGA victories, empowers the anti-American globalists, or returns total uncontested power to the Uniparty "elites" running D.C. Fighting the unholy alliance uniting Marxism, corporatism, and global totalitarianism is too important. And saving the MAGA coalition from the Machiavellian strategists seeking its destruction remains too critical.

Um JoJo.

Your intel has been incorrect lately. You may want to complain to the person who is giving you this info and ask for a refund as u are wasting your hard earned government dollars
 

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Trump EXPLODES Over Humiliating Backlash From His Own Party​


Donald Trump rages out over the whirlwind media backlash from his disastrous midterm election fallout and for blaming Melania Trump and Sean Hannity on his trouble during a late night Truth Social rant. John Iadarola and Adrienne Lawrence break it down on The Damage Report.
Two ignorant bozos like u that just make up shit. Where are the videos of him coming apart. U 0-114 abandoned thread stupid scamming low life bitch. What propaganda that is. That’s the first one I watched so if all the other abandoned threads u posted this shit in u need to seek help bitch. ??? :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Fucking hilarious , u buy the Star magazines that say the Kardasians are having alien babies ????
 

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Um JoJo.

Your intel has been incorrect lately. You may want to complain to the person who is giving you this info and ask for a refund as u are wasting your hard earned government dollars
And how do you know this isn't some giant media troll job like always, then next week he'll name Ron his VP?

Trump already knows who is VP will be, and these 'feuds' are always short lived gamesmanship.

Lying Ted
Little Marco
Low Energy Jeb

Okay, maybe not the last one..
 
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And how do you know this isn't some giant media troll job like always, then next week he'll name Ron his VP?

Trump already knows who is VP will be, and these 'feuds' are always short lived gamesmanship.

Lying Ted
Little Marco
Low Energy Jeb

Okay, maybe not the last one..
He’s not naming DeSantis his VP. You know that.
ted, Marco, and Jeb all hate Trump.

they are only nice to him as they need his supporters to get votes.

Also, u don’t name your VP until u get the nod. Knowing Trump, he would get your girl MTG to be his VP
 

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Trump needs to declare that he is not running, but will endorse and campaign vigorously for the GOP nominee---so long as the nominee has a strong conservative America First platform.

At this point I like DeSantis, by far, though I honestly do not think any Republican will be able to win by 2024.


(Trump had his chance and he failed, miserably, as a President)

Failed miserably as a President? tell me he behaved in a way that is unbecoming of a President - I can accept that - but last time I looked all his policies were fine - he lost because of COVID and the last minute mail in voting changes in every state - what Trump polices werent working? specifics please
 

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