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DeSantis backs his words, I'm in his camp

Trump:
- allowed Fauci and Birx to spearhead covid direction
- initiated the economic shutdown for a fn virus with "15 days to flatten the curve"
- appointed radical Wray as director of FBI
- appointed useless Bill Barr as AG
- did not free Assange
- authorized ahemm Warp Speed creation of a deadly vaccine and absolved Big Pharma from any retribution
- just endorsed doctor fn Oz for PA senator
- couldn't get the wall built or really do anything about border protection
- continued to flood Ukraine with millions of dollars of our money so the elite could continue to use the nation as it's personal money-laundering scheme
- did nothing to repeal Obamacare resulting in another series of 10%+ premium increases in healthcare
- massively increased our trade debt, largely to China
- did not calmly, systematically pull out of Afghanistan and Yemen resulting in Joey's Ghani blunder and another few hundred of thousands of dead Yemenis
- did not repeal Section 230 allowing social media to become a psycho lib cesspool
- nominated a shockingly bad SCOTUS named Kavanaugh
- always played defense, never offense, against the Marxists including blocking the wave of mail-in ballots which were clearly going to backfire on him

yes he did some good things like PPP, running from Paris deal, making USA an energy independent country, and at least highlighted the issues at our southern border, ended DACA, ended ISIS, brought minority unemployment to record lows, got millions off gov't assistance, and stopped the blue wave of Federal judge appointments.

But his early handling of Covid and the people he let take lead with Covid, as AG, and as Dir of FBI is unconscionable whereas DeSantis has separated himself as a true Conservative leader. Trump will also be 78 in 2025 and I'm done with old men losing their minds during a Presidency
one other positive to add is he woke up a certain subset of the GOP to remember they have a set of balls. We're now seeing talking heads and leaders like Travis, Kelly, Gaetz and Desantis not afraid to push back on the left and call them the sinister godless, soulless, prozac-ridden pedo race-baiters they are. This NEW RIGHT is on the offense. Way too many years of backing down to these cretins

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one other positive to add is he woke up a certain subset of the GOP to remember they have a set of balls. We're now seeing talking heads and leaders like Travis, Kelly, Gaetz and Desantis not afraid to push back on the left and call them the sinister godless, soulless, prozac-ridden pedo race-baiters they are. This NEW RIGHT is on the offense. Way too many years of backing down to these cretins

this is a beauty 25 second vid

Be Offended!
This ^^^
 

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the words of a morally bankrupt, desperate grifter who sees his influence and popularity dying by the minute....

Trump on Desantis running for 2024 President in WSJ interview:

"If he runs, he runs," and if he chooses to run "I will share things about him that won't be very flattering. I know more about him than anybody other than perhaps his wife, who is really running his campaign.

he definitely puts the Don in Donald Trump.

fuck this fool. Run on your record Donnie...record deficits, locking down the US economy, forcing masking mandates, warp-speeding deadly and useless mrna shots, appointing swamp creatures to head every govt agency, unable to repeal Obamacare, continued America's endless wars, never investigate Hillary, increased govt funding, didn't even attempt to enact Congressional term limits, winner of Pfizer salesman of the year 2020-2021-2022, etc

so fn sick of this clown
 

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Going to be fascinating if DeSantis decides to run, could see him letting the geriatrics go at it and pick up the crumbs from the fallout. He’s still very young.

The main issue of who is going to win between these 2 seems pretty easy to handicap. It will have nothing to do with policy, but just will GOP primary voters see DeSantis as more electable and not want to have a 3rd straight underwhelming election. If not, then he isn’t beating trump on policy. Trump approval rating amongst GOP primary voters is what? 90%?

Just gonna need to be a come to Jesus moment that this guys brand has taken a hit and we need someone who can win. If that’s not an issue then trump should trump him
 

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the words of a morally bankrupt, desperate grifter who sees his influence and popularity dying by the minute....

Trump on Desantis running for 2024 President in WSJ interview:

"If he runs, he runs," and if he chooses to run "I will share things about him that won't be very flattering. I know more about him than anybody other than perhaps his wife, who is really running his campaign.

he definitely puts the Don in Donald Trump.

fuck this fool. Run on your record Donnie...record deficits, locking down the US economy, forcing masking mandates, warp-speeding deadly and useless mrna shots, appointing swamp creatures to head every govt agency, unable to repeal Obamacare, continued America's endless wars, never investigate Hillary, increased govt funding, didn't even attempt to enact Congressional term limits, winner of Pfizer salesman of the year 2020-2021-2022, etc

so fn sick of this clown

Don't think any of this matters in a Republican primary. It's gonna be tough for Ron to criticize Trump without sounding like a RINO/liberal. Trump just spent the last 7 years being talked about everyday, anything DeSantis could say about him has already been said by a Dem mouthpiece or twitter lib.
 

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They are terrified of Trump

Biden: "We have to demonstrate that [Trump] will not take power if he does run. Making sure he under the legitimate efforts of the Constitution, become the next president again."
 

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They are terrified of Trump

Biden: "We have to demonstrate that [Trump] will not take power if he does run. Making sure he under the legitimate efforts of the Constitution, become the next president again."
Ooooo...more Deep State lawfare coming our way!

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This whole DeSantis vs Trump crap is yet another total globalist establishment FRAUD...

The Establishment Is Trying to Divide and Conquer MAGA​

By J.B. Shurk

There are videos making the rounds showing President Trump standing on stage in Miami's pouring rain while imploring Americans to get out and vote. The metaphor is striking. There's Trump, battling the elements, lively as ever, refusing to give up, insisting on finishing what he's started. Citizen Free Press appropriately notes that "President Trump is truly a force of nature."

I know that the months ahead will make for some spirited political debate among friends, but I encourage you to cement in your minds this quintessential image of Trump unbroken and unbowed. Whatever else can be said about the man (and there is plenty), he remains the only leader in our times unafraid to stand alone. When other self-proclaimed allies run the other way or look for somewhere safe to weather the approaching storm, Trump stands inside the tempest, demanding that it give up and surrender. That's something that will forever separate him from those who pretend to be him.

It has become normal to deconstruct Trump's public appeal to something as basic as he fights! Yet it is not just that Trump fights; it is why he fights that has attracted such a diverse voting coalition unlike any other political movement today.

Consider the Republican Party's consensus issues before Donald Trump descended the golden escalator and changed everything. By and large, Republican politicians defended the endless wars in Afghanistan and Iraq without question. They ignored the harms of illegal immigration as a taboo issue equated with racism. And they dismissed discussion of revitalizing American industry and manufacturing as unrealistic in a globalist system where cheap slave labor is plentiful overseas.

Republicans touted free trade, strong defense, and conservative values. In practice, however, respect for free trade amounted to enormous international trade deals that often benefited multinational corporations and foreign financial titans at the expense of local American companies and their blue-collar workforces. Military might consisted of waging wars with no discernible end in sight for aims that were frustratingly unclear. And defense of conservative values remained, at best, wishy-washy and often resembled nothing more than a lackadaisical endorsement of the same secular values first practiced by a progressively more radical political left only years before.

Republican Party leaders and their corporate lobbyists essentially manipulated and shamed hardworking, family-oriented, religiously observant, patriotic Americans into believing that respect for "free trade" requires them to sacrifice their jobs and savings; that their love of country requires their families to fight unending and often unwinnable wars; that their humanitarian spirit requires them to welcome millions of foreign nationals pouring through America's lawless, open borders; and that their dedication to morality and virtue paradoxically requires them to abandon truth and embrace the progressives' secular faith.

This has been the Republican agenda for decades. It encapsulates everything the Chamber of Commerce and Wall Street multinationals running the party desire — a cheap workforce both at home (illegal immigration) and overseas (offshore manufacturing); an American military enforcing global corporate hegemony; and a near-majority of the American people believing they are voting for freedom, prosperity, national self-defense, and traditional conservative values, when in actuality they are voting for corporate overlord stewardship committed to their diametrical opposites.

This paradigm — in which the Republican Party claimed to stand for things they actually stood against — worked swimmingly until an outsider named Donald J. Trump came along, started asking troubling questions very publicly, and ended up jolting millions of Americans wide awake. Trump dismantled globalism's secret interests by rejecting the Republican Party's sacred cows. He chose Main Street over Wall Street, American industry over offshoring, American citizens over open borders, middle-class wealth over multinational profits, and American security over endless foreign wars. By doing so, he brought manufacturing jobs home, stymied illegal immigration, increased take-home pay and savings, and made America energy-independent.

In defending America and Americans' direct interests and rejecting the globalist interests of a select planetary few, he shattered the D.C. Uniparty's illusion of political disagreement and its shared commitment to a deeply un-American status quo. In the process, he attracted a powerfully robust coalition of American voters from all walks of life. His stated policies and objectives appealed directly to Americans' minds, regardless of the colors or kinds of bodies those minds called home.

This is what makes President Trump so dangerous. MAGA is the biggest political coalition in the country. For the D.C. Uniparty to survive, MAGA must be destroyed.

Everything else that the Establishment Class has fraudulently peddled against Trump — that he's imperious, mercurial, uncouth, unworthy to hold office, a Russian spy, a warmonger, an insurrectionist, a "denier," a criminal — is nothing but an endless barrage of psychological warfare directed against MAGA voters and constructed of propaganda and lies. At heart, Trump's only "crime" is that he remains for America and against the totalitarian globalist system designed to subdue her once and for all.

MAGA, in other words, is a direct threat to the international coalition that insists on extinguishing American independence and freedom. For at least six years, the Establishment Class has worked to demolish not so much Donald Trump, but rather the assembly of MAGA Americans that have found each other and are now working together. The Uniparty has used all its tricks and sticks. It has tried shaming Christians. It has called Trump's supporters "Russian sympathizers." It has used the criminal (in)justice system to bully, harass, and imprison Trump allies. It has slandered MAGA voters as "terrorists," "insurrectionists," "fascists," and "racists." It has done everything it can to wear the MAGA coalition down, to abuse Trump-supporters so completely that they renounce him, and to intimidate the MAGA faithful so mercilessly that they relinquish their political sway. The Establishment Class has done this because MAGA represents an existential threat to its paradigm of global wealth and power.

With this in mind, as we venture forth down the 2024 road to the White House, do not forget that the Establishment's most important goal is to obliterate MAGA and lull Americans back to their previous pro-globalist slumber. Billionaire investor Ken Griffin, who has invested heavily in Governor DeSantis, has said so explicitly.

According to Politico, the big Republican donor wants to "blunt the vein of populism that has complicated the party's relationship with the corporate world."

Think about those words for a second. Griffin and his Establishment Club friends want the American people to stop voting for things in their own best interest and return to a time when they voted for things in the best interest of the small, insular, privileged, corporate few. Isn't it strange that "elites" defend "democracy" only when the few at the top of the economic pyramid get their way but always denounce as vulgar "populism" anything like the MAGA movement that pursues the broader wants and needs of the American people?

There's an awful lot I like about Ron DeSantis, but when he is backed by Paul Ryan, Jeb Bush, the Lincoln Project, and big-money anti-MAGA donors like Ken Griffin, I see only two possibilities: (1) either they think that Governor DeSantis will eventually play ball with the Über-Globalists or (2) they are committed to dividing the MAGA coalition between DeSantis and Trump, conquering MAGA once and for all, and forcing voters back to the Establishment-approved, corporate Republicanism embraced by the likes of Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy, Asa Hutchinson, Larry Hogan, Tim Scott, and Nikki Haley.

I reject any path forward that forfeits hard-won MAGA victories, empowers the anti-American globalists, or returns total uncontested power to the Uniparty "elites" running D.C. Fighting the unholy alliance uniting Marxism, corporatism, and global totalitarianism is too important. And saving the MAGA coalition from the Machiavellian strategists seeking its destruction remains too critical.

 

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Trump - DeSantis 2024 (y) The FREEDOM Ticket
 

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If they're both running for the nomination, only one can be on top, I'm voting for Ron Desantis
 

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It doesn’t matter. GOP can’t handle a desantis / trump primary. Maga will turn desantis into a pedophile, reptile from Ukraine. Y’all made a deal with the devil and you’re going to watch your house burn while you are helpless!
 

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Desantis won’t even put his hat in the ring. Career suicide given todays GOP. Y’all let the insane asylum run the ward. Now Q and Maga is in charge! Hahahahhaja you dumb suckers
 

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They are terrified of Trump

Biden: "We have to demonstrate that [Trump] will not take power if he does run. Making sure he under the legitimate efforts of the Constitution, become the next president again."
you wanna translate this for me? i don't speak Biden
 

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Don't think any of this matters in a Republican primary. It's gonna be tough for Ron to criticize Trump without sounding like a RINO/liberal. Trump just spent the last 7 years being talked about everyday, anything DeSantis could say about him has already been said by a Dem mouthpiece or twitter lib.
big difference is liberals couldn't go after him for lockdowns, masking, pulling kids out of school, unrelenting pressure to take the vax (and subsequent boosters) because they aligned with all of those positions. Rick can challenge him on actual policies and performance especially when it comes to child test scores in-person learning vs remote.

Trump's only answers will be to deflect blame or call Desantis names, that's it. It's what Donnie's doing right now and he's frustrated that DeSantis won't take the bait

while Trump talked about a culture war Desantis stopped CRT and grooming in his schools. One's a talker and a sideshow, the other's a do-er and a leader. Now given that the extreme-MAGA folks are just like extreme Leftists and will do/say anything Donnie tells them it might not be enough to beat Trump in a primary.

Likely the more prudent move would be for Desantis to let Trump run against nothing but RINO's in '24 and then dominate the (R) party once Trump disappoints for 4 more years

American exceptionalism is a boomer idea at this point. 90% can't critically think and are simply swayed by emotion. Rick's hitting people at a thinking level which doesn't resonate well to Trump's hardcore base who only want to say "deep state", "conspiracy theory", "drain the swamp", "rigged election", and "make america great again".
 

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big difference is liberals couldn't go after him for lockdowns, masking, pulling kids out of school, unrelenting pressure to take the vax (and subsequent boosters) because they aligned with all of those positions. Trump's only answers will be to deflect blame or call Desantis names, that's it. It's what Donnie's doing right now and he's frustrated that DeSantis won't take the bait

while Trump talked about a culture war Desantis stopped CRT and grooming in his schools. One's a talker and a sideshow, the other's a do-er and a leader. Now given that the extreme-MAGA folks are just like extreme Leftists and will do/say anything Donnie tells them it might not be enough to beat Trump in a primary.

Likely the more prudent move would be for Desantis to let Trump run against nothing but RINO's in '24 and then dominate the (R) party once Trump disappoints for 4 more years

i love it. Put all your eggs in 2026 election lol.
 

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big difference is liberals couldn't go after him for lockdowns, masking, pulling kids out of school, unrelenting pressure to take the vax (and subsequent boosters) because they aligned with all of those positions. Rick can challenge him on actual policies and performance especially when it comes to child test scores in-person learning vs remote.

Trump's only answers will be to deflect blame or call Desantis names, that's it. It's what Donnie's doing right now and he's frustrated that DeSantis won't take the bait

while Trump talked about a culture war Desantis stopped CRT and grooming in his schools. One's a talker and a sideshow, the other's a do-er and a leader. Now given that the extreme-MAGA folks are just like extreme Leftists and will do/say anything Donnie tells them it might not be enough to beat Trump in a primary.

Likely the more prudent move would be for Desantis to let Trump run against nothing but RINO's in '24 and then dominate the (R) party once Trump disappoints for 4 more years

American exceptionalism is a boomer idea at this point. 90% can't critically think and are simply swayed by emotion. Rick's hitting people at a thinking level which doesn't resonate well to Trump's hardcore base who only want to say "deep state", "conspiracy theory", "drain the swamp", "rigged election", and "make america great again".

Yeah, I dunno, I think by the time 2023 primary debates go down that covid will be a distant memory for most. Hell, it feels like it is already (as the Dems didn't pay much for their lockdown/school closure stupidity very much)..

Lockdowns/masking/school closures I don't think anyone associates with Trump. More blue state Gov/mayors/teachers unions. And any mistakes Trump did make on covid I think most can easily just chalk up to a novel and complex issue in its early stages.

Anything vax related I don't see hitting at all, Trump was never for mandates, just said he thought it worked and took credit for it. I don't think that's a big issue at all anymore. I understand you do, but don't think that's making hay with primary voters (for instance, I don't think anyone in this forum has a problem with Trump on that really and for its flaws, I do think this forum probably is a good proxy for GOP primary)

Could be wrong but just don't see any of that landing that big in a Republican primary. Trump's approval among GOP voters is 90%, he was loved on policy and anything he didn't get done is chalked up to congress or the Dems by his backers. I can't really see it being a negative.

I think an attack on Trump's temperament and some of the recent results which he shares blame for could be effective. But that's basically on the electability branch. DeSantis argument will need to be something along the lines of "You trying to 3peat on losses or you wanna win 1 of these years?" because the L's are piling up.

But it'll be interesting, they wouldn't take a stage together for another 9-10 months or so I'm sure. I think you and I would both probably have more to add when it finally came around.
 

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