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game pressure, it was all on Seattle and he didn't want to change that

his sixth title, bringing his SB record to 6-2, and if any luck was involved in those games I might suggest that it would be in those two last minute losses
 

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If he does call a timeout Seattle may have never thrown the interception. They would have pounded it.


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There was 1:02 left and that was a worse call then the next play was

I'm the first to call coaches out for impersonating Mike McCarthy when they choose to do so but neither call by BB or Carroll was that bad.

In BBs case if you factor in that he had knowledge there was a likelihood Seattle would mess up the clock management because of the curveball that came from not calling a TO, then it isn't an awful decision. They burned the full 40 seconds, were unsure of playcalling and generally looked disorganized during the most pressure packed moment of the year. It was a risky move and I'm not saying it was a great call since you are burning any equity to tie the game but if he calls TO there then your pretty much setting Seattle up to call a better play and have time to call whatever plays they want on all 3 downs.

In Carrolls case, once BB doesn't call TO you gotta call a pass play on 1 of the 3 plays to get all 3 off. So it likely has to come on 2nd down then you can call TO on 3rd and then 4th is the last play of the game for you regardless. The actual pass they called seemed way too high risk for that spot but just throwing the ball on 2nd down I think is fine. Or playaction Wilson rollout and see what Dangerous can do. The pick worked and the guy just jumped the route so it wasn't as bad as it looked but putting the ball in the middle of the field there seems incredibly stupid given it was only 2nd down. Going high risk there deprived them of 2 Lynch carries which was the bad part. The play called, not necessarily throwing the ball.

You can second guess either 1 and given the magnitude people will but neither was legendarily bad to me or anything.

If anything the worst part of the entire sequence was how unprepared Seattle was after the Lynch run. To not be prepared for NE throwing them the curveball of not calling timeout and then what looked like a huried/panicked play.
 
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You guys are funny defending Bill and his lack of calling a timeout.....Petey saved Bill's ass......you give the ball to the beast who just got you down to the one yard line.....end of story, end of game, and the beginning of Wilson's legacy....Seattle had more than enough time to get in.....no way you throw the ball on 2nd, third, or fourth down......
 

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You guys are funny defending Bill and his lack of calling a timeout.....Petey saved Bill's ass......you give the ball to the beast who just got you down to the one yard line.....end of story, end of game, and the beginning of Wilson's legacy....Seattle had more than enough time to get in.....no way you throw the ball on 2nd, third, or fourth down......

on 2nd down? Then if you get stuffed you gotta call timeout and it severely limits what you can do on 3rd down.

The play was wrong but I don't think you run the ball on 2nd down once it gets down to 26 seconds.

The big choke was letting it go from 1:02 to 26 but when you are scared of Brady's aura then that type of stuff happens. You don't just burn that much clock with any QB on the sidelines.
 

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I thought Al Michaels had it right. Call a TO, let them score, and give Brady about a minute with one TO to at least tie it. I was FUMING when Bill didn't call a TO. But I guess that why Michaels and I are betting the games, and cashing tickets on Bill, while he's winning them. puff_>>
 

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on 2nd down? Then if you get stuffed you gotta call timeout and it severely limits what you can do on 3rd down.

The play was wrong but I don't think you run the ball on 2nd down once it gets down to 26 seconds.

The big choke was letting it go from 1:02 to 26 but when you are scared of Brady's aura then that type of stuff happens. You don't just burn that much clock with any QB on the sidelines.

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there is no damn way I'm playing to rally in that spot plus 4. If it were 3, different story

you play to win the game with your defense in that spot, he left all the game pressure on the Hawks, they delivered

great coaching, great composure, he's been there before
 

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If it didn't work he would've been a huge GOAT (not in the good way either)

I think some of it might have had to do with it being Carroll at coach and Wilson at QB. If it was someone who is more in control in late game situations I'm not sure NE doesn't just burn the TO.

Seattle was totally caught off guard by the clock continuing to run and it showed.
 

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If it didn't work he would've been a huge GOAT (not in the good way either)

I think some of it might have had to do with it being Carroll at coach and Wilson at QB. If it was someone who is more in control in late game situations I'm not sure NE doesn't just burn the TO.

Seattle was totally caught off guard by the clock continuing to run and it showed.

That's a damn interesting take. Note sure even BB is that Machiavellian, but if anyone could be, it's him.
 

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If you pass then fake lynch a nd roll Russell out for run pass option. It was a terrible play call
 

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I'm the first to call coaches out for impersonating Mike McCarthy when they choose to do so but neither call by BB or Carroll was that bad.

In BBs case if you factor in that he had knowledge there was a likelihood Seattle would mess up the clock management because of the curveball that came from not calling a TO, then it isn't an awful decision. They burned the full 40 seconds, were unsure of playcalling and generally looked disorganized during the most pressure packed moment of the year. It was a risky move and I'm not saying it was a great call since you are burning any equity to tie the game but if he calls TO there then your pretty much setting Seattle up to call a better play and have time to call whatever plays they want on all 3 downs.

In Carrolls case, once BB doesn't call TO you gotta call a pass play on 1 of the 3 plays to get all 3 off. So it likely has to come on 2nd down then you can call TO on 3rd and then 4th is the last play of the game for you regardless. The actual pass they called seemed way too high risk for that spot but just throwing the ball on 2nd down I think is fine. Or playaction Wilson rollout and see what Dangerous can do. The pick worked and the guy just jumped the route so it wasn't as bad as it looked but putting the ball in the middle of the field there seems incredibly stupid given it was only 2nd down. Going high risk there deprived them of 2 Lynch carries which was the bad part. The play called, not necessarily throwing the ball.

You can second guess either 1 and given the magnitude people will but neither was legendarily bad to me or anything.

If anything the worst part of the entire sequence was how unprepared Seattle was after the Lynch run. To not be prepared for NE throwing them the curveball of not calling timeout and then what looked like a huried/panicked play.

I agree with you 100% on Carroll.
As far as BB is concerned lets just say it worked out.
I understand what you are saying and the thought process you brought up is probably exactly what he was thinking but I don't agree with that thought process.

BB made the worst call of the 2 calls in the last 1:02 of the game and it's not close.
Although this does not lesson my opinion of him as a coach.

I still think he is the best coach ever, and I still think he is one of the top 3 clock managers in the NFL.

Every coach deserves a mulligan every once in a while.


But for PC I'm not even going to call that a bad call.

What you said was exactly correct.

The pass play was not the worst call in NFL history.

If Wilson would have thrown a td right there nobody would have ever said a word about not running it.

Everyone would have said it was a brilliant move and people would have started talking about Carroll being one of the all time greats along with Wilson.


When you base a decision based on the results and not the thought process it changes people .

Even though BB lived to tell about his move and PCs blew up in his face when you remove the result and judge it strictly on the situation and the thought process BB made the much worst call of the 2.
 

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Terrible job by BB there. The only people who won't see that is the same people who think they didn't deflate the balls. Seriously pats fans, how hard is it to be objective? My goodness...he fucked up and got bailed out...but they won...so good for you fans. Man oh man.
 

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I don't think it was a good call really (certainly ballsy) but there was some merit in not calling timeout. Obviously Seattles actions after the decision made it unfold perfectly. Seemed like they were not expecting to have to keep playing at all.

As far as Sea throwing on 2nd down, the actual play they called I didn't like because it was too high risk but throwing on 2nd down made sense to get 3 plays off.
 

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I just watched Pete explain his decision, and it made sense.

They put in the WR's to get the Patriot's pass defense on the field, then they would run on 3rd and 4th down against that defense if they didn't execute on 2nd down. Obviously, he didn't anticipate a pick, who does?

did you know? Lynch ran from the 1 yard line 5 times this year, 5 times, he scored ONCE

I might suggest a batter batting 200 is not guaranteed to get a hit. My analogy is not apples to apples, but it has some validity and maybe that's why the Hawks tried to get a better matchup on defense
 
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I just watched Pete explain his decision, and it made sense.

They put in the WR's to get the Patriot's pass defense on the field, then they would run on 3rd and 4th down against that defense if they didn't execute on 2nd down. Obviously, he didn't anticipate a pick, who does?

did you know? Lynch ran from the 1 yard line 5 times this year, 5 times, he scored ONCE

I might suggest a batter batting 200 is not guaranteed to get a hit. My analogy is not apples to apples, but it has some validity and maybe that's why the Hawks tried to get a better matchup on defense

You and I know that Lynch scores....NE did not have a goal line stand all year....you are not stopping Lynch from scoring from one yard out on 3 consecutive plays.....
 

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Live, I thought he should have called a time out. In hindsight, I understand why he didn't.

If you call the timeout, Seattle can run it 3 times to win it.
If you don't call the timeout, Seattle is going to have to throw it on 3rd down if they get stuffed on 2nd.

It's close, maybe he should have called. If Seattle scored, he'd be catching hell today. It's hardly the worst decision of all time though.
 

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You and I know that Lynch scores....NE did not have a goal line stand all year....you are not stopping Lynch from scoring from one yard out on 3 consecutive plays.....

It wouldn't have been three consecutive Lynch plays. It would have been 2, and goal-line situations are surprisingly more difficult in the NFL than most believe. Even with Lynch.

If Belichick had called the timeout, they would have had 3 Lynch plays.
 
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Terrible job by BB there. The only people who won't see that is the same people who think they didn't deflate the balls. Seriously pats fans, how hard is it to be objective? My goodness...he fucked up and got bailed out...but they won...so good for you fans. Man oh man.

It just came out on the 'leagues official network' that only one of the Pats 12 balls was
underinflated. Please give that cheating nonsense a complete & necessary rest. A jaywalker
would be more deserving of a penalty than the Patriots for that bogus inflategate!!!!!!
 

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Two dumb decisions back to back to end a great game. One will be remember and one won't. It reminded me of Tim Duncan being on the sideline at the end of game 6, when Allen hit that 3. If he missed nobody would remember Duncan not being in.
 

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