I wonder what % of voters are voting for McCain because of race?

[gtc08]

I agree that a lot of white people like Obama. Why do they like him though?

I say part of the reason is white guilt. Part of it is wanting to be part of history...electing a black president. Part of it is so no one can call them a racist if they vote for a black guy. Part of it is that the mainstream media will not allow his negatives to be talked about because he is black and extremely to the left. Part of is it is that he is a gifted orator. Part of it is that he is from the opposite political party as Bush. Part of it is that he is good looking. Part of it is just foolishness not realizing that he is a marxist that will move this country far to the left with the aid of a liberal congress and turn America into some crappy European socialist country clone.

I'll answer your reasons.

White guilt I don't buy, cop out, weak excuse IMO. Wanting to be part of history, I can see. No matter what anyone says here unless they are a racist, it would be a historic moment to have a black in office, and too long of a wait for at least a minority to have a shot at the presidency. I don't really buy the being called a racist, unless they bring it on themselves. Media I kind of agree with. You have a right wing dominated radio though and some major networks still going for McCain. Definently agree with you on Bush. I said before it'd take 3 elections for them to get over bush. 1 obama term, another obama term if he runs again, and then another dem term. Idol factor, yea. Helped Kennedy. and the last part is your opinion. me being a democratic socialist myself wouldn't mind levels of marxism being injected into this joke of a capitalist society.

you missed out on a couple more though.

age, likability, being a relatively newcomer, and even though you disagree with the policies because your a repub, the whole dem base likes left policies, even though obamas are farther to the left than other dems, but they still consider that better then the repubs.

you play up race though too much because you think about race too much. thats one thing i noticed in your posts.

 

[DonDotta27]

I'll answer your reasons.

White guilt I don't buy, cop out, weak excuse IMO. Wanting to be part of history, I can see. No matter what anyone says here unless they are a racist, it would be a historic moment to have a black in office, and too long of a wait for at least a minority to have a shot at the presidency. I don't really buy the being called a racist, unless they bring it on themselves. Media I kind of agree with. You have a right wing dominated radio though and some major networks still going for McCain. Definently agree with you on Bush. I said before it'd take 3 elections for them to get over bush. 1 obama term, another obama term if he runs again, and then another dem term. Idol factor, yea. Helped Kennedy. and the last part is your opinion. me being a democratic socialist myself wouldn't mind levels of marxism being injected into this joke of a capitalist society.

you missed out on a couple more though.

age, likability, being a relatively newcomer, and even though you disagree with the policies because your a repub, the whole dem base likes left policies, even though obamas are farther to the left than other dems, but they still consider that better then the repubs.

you play up race though too much because you think about race too much. thats one thing i noticed in your posts.

Race can have a huge factor the minute a person walks into the booth.

 

[quot7quot]

I'll answer your reasons.

White guilt I don't by, cop out, weak excuse IMO. Wanting to be part of history, I can see. No matter what anyone says here unless they are a racist, it would be a historic moment to have a black in office, and too long of a wait for at least a minority to have a shot at the presidency. I don't really buy the being called a racist, unless they bring it on themselves. Media I kind of agree with. You have a right wing dominated radio though and some major networks still going for McCain. Definently agree with you on Bush. I said before it'd take 3 elections for them to get over bush. 1 obama term, another obama term if he runs again, and then another dem term. Idol factor, yea. Helped Kennedy. and the last part is your opinion. me being a democratic socialist myself wouldn't mind levels of marxism being injected into this joke of a capitalist society.

you missed out on a couple more though.

age, likability, being a relatively newcomer, and even though you disagree with the policies because your a repub, the whole dem base likes left policies, even though obamas are farther to the left than other dems, but they still consider that better then the repubs.

you play up race though too much because you think about race too much. thats one thing i noticed in your posts.

I dont play up race. Race is there. it is a big issue in this election. Those who say it isnt are either lying or clueless.

I personally have no problem voting for a black man (or woman). I would vote for a black candidate in a second if he/she held my values and political/social/economic views.

 

[gtc08]

I dont play up race. Race is there. it is a big issue in this election. Those who say it isnt are either lying or clueless.

I personally have no problem voting for a black man (or woman). I would vote for a black candidate in a second if he/she held my values and political/social/economic views.

but the problem with your argument race wise is you say whites only like him because they feel guilty. like its impossible for whites to get behind a black candidate, that him being a democrat with similar policies and being likeable would have no influence on the white voters, just there guilt about the past.

 

[quot7quot]

but the problem with your argument race wise is you say whites only like him because they feel guilty. like its impossible for whites to get behind a black candidate, that him being a democrat with similar policies and being likeable would have no influence on the white voters, just there guilt about the past.

I never said all whites...I said some. There are some whites behind Obama because they are as far to the left as he is. but, I think those whites are in the minority.

 

[gtc08]

Race can have a huge factor the minute a person walks into the booth.

like i said in my other thread i think it'll offset. it'll be there, but its played on both sides. you have a different america now, people are just way more open to other races. more diversity, etc. i know some people want to say race will determine it. i don't know, 15 years ago i probably would've agreed. i just don't see it now. we'll have to wait and see.

 

[gtc08]

I never said all whites...I said some. There are some whites behind Obama because they are as far to the left as he is. but, I think those whites are in the minority.

your comments still state that the majority of whites that are voting for him have some guilt about the past, since you state that the whites who believe in his policies are in the minority.

why cant it be there voting for him because he's a democrat, and a vote for a D is more in line with there beliefs then a vote for a R. i just don't see why you have to make it about race.

 

[GasMan]

I don't think anybody thinks there won't be racist whites that will vote for Mccain just because he is white, but you choose to ignore the fact that there are thousands of blacks registering to vote for Obama just because he is black.


There was huge black support for Obama when he ran against Hillary, and they virtually agreed on almost every issue. There were some nit picky differences, but Bill Clinton was wildly popular in the black community, and Obama still got over 90% of the black vote vs Hillary.

Was Hillary the victum of Racism, or does John Mccain only benefit from the racist vote? It is a two way street, so stop trying to start the race argument when it isn't there.

C-Gold...keep up the good work.

Unfortunately there is no having a reasonable two way discussion with the Obama lovers. He is the scum of the political world, has made terrible decisions his entire life, hangs with horrendous people, and is probably going to be the absolute end to all that hard working people know as a comfortable living.

All that being said, the poor that he has thrown into a frenzy would like nothing more than to see the "rich" go down. They dont know why, they just think they are being screwed.

Washington is a mess from both sides, mainly the special interst groups that have been given WAY too many concessions, have had liberal judges rule in their favor on a multitude of levels, and have just about undermined the very fabric of the U S of A. My grandfather would turn in his grave (fought in WW2) if he were alive to see the political circus that the Obama-mania has become.

I know you are trying, but ignorance is bliss and they dont come any dumber than some of the leftwing shitbags on this forum.

I am voting for McCain, I am white, and I am proud to be white. Now I guess I am also a racist, but I dont recall being able to celebrete Caucasian heritage month....or having White Entertainment Television cover the Republican National Convention, but not the Democratic convention..nor do I know any white people that hvae been accepted into an institution of higher learning because they are white.

Good luck and good fighting.

 

[C-Gold]

Well I don't think logic works with these people. You provide statistics, and logic, and they are emotionally drive...

The same people that were emotionally drive to buy a house at peak market values, or sell stocks after the bottom, etc. etc. etc.

The least we can hope for is to profit off these people more than the tax increases that will undoubtably be forced upon us.

 

[gtc08]

i dont disagree with c-gold in regards to increased black turnout.

where i disagree with c-gold is that blacks are the reason why obama won the nod. almost like he wont acknowledge white support for a black candidate. like he's ashamed they arn't voting for mccain.

there are more important things to me at least, then the race of the candidate.

 

[gtc08]

C-Gold...keep up the good work.

Unfortunately there is no having a reasonable two way discussion with the Obama lovers. He is the scum of the political world, has made terrible decisions his entire life, hangs with horrendous people, and is probably going to be the absolute end to all that hard working people know as a comfortable living.

All that being said, the poor that he has thrown into a frenzy would like nothing more than to see the "rich" go down. They dont know why, they just think they are being screwed.

Washington is a mess from both sides, mainly the special interst groups that have been given WAY too many concessions, have had liberal judges rule in their favor on a multitude of levels, and have just about undermined the very fabric of the U S of A. My grandfather would turn in his grave (fought in WW2) if he were alive to see the political circus that the Obama-mania has become.

I know you are trying, but ignorance is bliss and they dont come any dumber than some of the leftwing shitbags on this forum.

I am voting for McCain, I am white, and I am proud to be white. Now I guess I am also a racist, but I dont recall being able to celebrete Caucasian heritage month....or having White Entertainment Television cover the Republican National Convention, but not the Democratic convention..nor do I know any white people that hvae been accepted into an institution of higher learning because they are white.

Good luck and good fighting.

You arn't racist because you are proud to be white. You are racist because you demean other people who arn't white and use the aryan superiority complex mode of thinking. You've done it on the forums before for who knows why, attention, maybe you are really that way i dont know.

 

[Loren78]

Sure there are. Whats the point?

Just as many if not more are voting for Obama because he is black. Not just blacks either. Many white morons want to "be part of history". So, they will throw away their vote on this marxist with no experience just so they can prove they are not racist and were part of history. What the hell...he is a great speaker and a good looking guy. Plus, he promises to restore our standing with the world and send all of our kids to college.

Get ready for the biggest dissappointment in your life.

Bush was a bad president, there is no doubt. I voted for him twice and I fully admit that. But, you aint seen nothin' yet...

I honestly do not know whats worse? The fact that you voted or the fact that you voted for Bush and willingly admit to it in a public forum.

Shoot...I feel like I should probably put something out there just to keep things even...

I used to listen to Milli Vanilli even after they were exposed....

I dunno about you but I feel better getting that off my chest..

 

[DonDotta27]

I honestly do not know whats worse? The fact that you voted or the fact that you voted for Bush and willingly admit to it in a public forum.
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I bet most of the people on the forum voted for Bush.

 

[C-Gold]

i dont disagree with c-gold in regards to increased black turnout.

where i disagree with c-gold is that blacks are the reason why obama won the nod. almost like he wont acknowledge white support for a black candidate. like he's ashamed they arn't voting for mccain.

there are more important things to me at least, then the race of the candidate.

I never said he beat Hillary just because he was black... but a higher pct. of blacks, and 30% more blacks coming out to the polls didn't hurt.

Hillary had a lot of people that liked her, and a lot of people that hated her. Remember, her husband was wildly popular in the black community and she was a heavy favorite to become our next president. Her political life still isn't over.

But the same people that call white voters racist, ignore all of the extra black support Obama got.

 

[barman]

The media loves to hype up all those lost racist white votes, but what about all those gained racist black votes? It is a two way street.

Not really.

We normally see about 15million black voters in general elections, of which about 13 million routinely vote Democratic.

It's possible that an additional one million might sway over to Obama this year due to his being a black guy, but that should be far outweighed by the group of white voters (out of about 100million cast) who will go McCain solely to avoid having a smoke as POTUS.

 

[barman]

God help us all.

:lol:....Comedy Gold

 

[barman]

Your right cause i'll be crying from laughter at doom and gloomers like yourself. Trust me, you're easy targets.

I think this is a post with which nearly all of us can agree

 

[barman]

Laughing at me from the soup kitchen or the bread line?

I'm a private business owner (25 years now) whose income when combined with my wife's has methodically increased each of the past eight years.

If we could survive BushCo and The Forever War, we can survive anything offered up by President Obama.

Maybe you just need some lessons on how to a) produce more income and b) conceal more of it from the feds

 

[paftraft]

Blacks overwealmingly voting for Obama over Hillary is proof of black racism. Their politics were so close you could hardly identify a difference, yet Obama carried 90% of the black vote...

In the North Carolina primary 98% of black men voted for Obama. The other 2% probably pressed the wrong lever. I got no beef with blacks voting for Obama, so no one should have a beef with me if I choose not to regardless of my background!

He definitely would not have gotten the democratic nomination if he were not black that's for sure! In the most critical primary of the primaries Obama had a 550,000 plurality with the blacks. He won the state by less than 300,000 votes. Case closed!

 

[PowerPlayPicks]

You wonder how many racist whites will vote against Obama JUST BECAUSE he is black, but how many blacks will vote for him ( and register to vote for him) JUST BECAUSE he is black?

The media loves to hype up all those lost racist white votes, but what about all those gained racist black votes? It is a two way street.

Hey stupid ass, 66% of voters in the USA are white, 13% hispanic, 12% black and the rest is other. Even if 95% of blacks voted for OBAMA, that still only comes down to 11% of registered voters dumbass.