I understand the hate for Trump but physically shutting down his rally?

[PatsFan1283]

PatsFan, are you holding Donald Trump responsible for the violent protests we're seeing at his rally's or do you hold the action takers responsible?

Both.

If you say "I'd like to punch him", "Beat him up" and other extreme rhetoric like that then you clearly bear some responsibility.

This isn't how heads of state conduct themselves and when they do, there are consequences.

Why doesn't this happen at Ted Cruz rally's? Or any other candidate. Nobody is sucker punching protesters at other events.

 

[Enfuego]

Both.

If you say "I'd like to punch him", "Beat him up" and other extreme rhetoric like that then you clearly bear some responsibility.

This isn't how heads of state conduct themselves and when they do, there are consequences.

Why doesn't this happen at Ted Cruz rally's?

Don't know man. I live in a world of personal responsibility and my actions aren't caused by the words of others.

David Duke is a self admitted racist but just because he's inflammatory doesn't give anyone the right to show up to a Klan rally and beat people up.

You get arrested for assault at a bar...what do you say in court "the guy told me I was a dick so I punched him?" I'm sure the judge won't go for that one.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Don't know man. I live in a world of personal responsibility and my actions aren't caused by the words of others.

David Duke is a self admitted racist but just because he's inflammatory doesn't give anyone the right to show up to a Klan rally and beat people up.

You get arrested for assault at a bar...what do you say in court "the guy told me I was a dick so I punched him?" I'm sure the judge won't go for that one.

Do you believe leaders can say whatever they want and they don't share blame for the actions of others?

Obama would love to hear that. He's off the hook for stoking anti-police anger.

 

[Enfuego]

Do you believe leaders can say whatever they want and they don't share blame for the actions of others?

Obama would love to hear that. He's off the hook for stoking anti-police anger.

I believe in personal responsibility for my own actions. No blame.

 

[PatsFan1283]

I believe in personal responsibility for my own actions. No blame.

So Trump shares no blame for the violence of his supporters?

Well, are they just naturally violent idiots then? Why don't any of the other candidates have these issues.

What is the differentiation?

 

[Enfuego]

So Trump shares no blame for the violence of his supporters?

Well, are they just naturally violent idiots then? Why don't any of the other candidates have these issues.

What is the differentiation?

Thought we were talking about the actions of the protesters?

 

[PatsFan1283]

Thought we were talking about the actions of the protesters?

Nah, I am talking about the actions of the supporters at the rally's.

That is what the video talks about.

The protesters are another issue. Most of them in Chicago just paid anarchists looking to cause trouble.

 

[Enfuego]

Nah, I am talking about the actions of the supporters at the rally's.

That is what the video talks about.

The protesters are another issue. Most of them in Chicago just paid anarchists looking to cause trouble.

Shit, we're talking in circles LOL. Yeah, of course he shares in the responsibility of his idiot followers beating people up.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Yeah, that is what Rubio talks about. I know everyone isn't a fan of him but it is an insightful commentary on the problems with having a candidate just shoot off at the hip. All that "I tell it like it is!" shit is fun and games, but you aren't some bro at a bar. You're running for the most important job in the world.

And yes of course the protesters get the blame for Chicago. It is probably mostly their fault.

 

[Enfuego]

Yeah, that is what Rubio talks about. I know everyone isn't a fan of him but it is an insightful commentary on the problems with having a candidate just shoot off at the hip. All that "I tell it like it is!" shit is fun and games, but you aren't some bro at a bar. You're running for the most important job in the world.

And yes of course the protesters get the blame for Chicago. It is probably mostly their fault.

Rubio needs to concentrate on his own shitty campaign and stop worrying about Trump.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Rubio needs to concentrate on his own shitty campaign and stop worrying about Trump.

He is dropping out in 3 days so bringing attention to a serious issue is probably a good use of his time.

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

Guarantee the people starting trouble are paid provocateurs funding by Democrats especially by the Clinton campaign to make not only Trump look bad but Sanders supporters as well.

 

[CHOPTALK]

It's stuff like this that makes me think this is all a game .

Why do I get the feeling trump dont even want the job?

I think he is enjoying the shit out the ride but he probably don't want to get to the final destination.

There is no other way on earth he could ever get more attention then he's getting now.

He loves that part but does he really want the job?

 

[Enfuego]

Forced him to be quiet? He cancelled it on his own, then lied and said the cops told him to. Trump is a pussy, just like his supporters

Yeah, I keep hearing this stupid response from liberals like they aren't responsible for the violence. Like Trump cancelled so that was his doing and they aren't responsible.

All I know is Team A was holding a rally and if Team B didn't show up at the rally, the rally would've been carried out as planned. Who's responsible for the rally being cancelled?

If Trump would've carried on with that rally and people died, can you imagine the fallout of that?

SMH - He canceled so not these anarchists fault. Get the fuck outta here with that nonsense.

 

[clowncar]

Sometimes it isn't about "you". If you want to protest, stand outside and peacefully protest. When 30,000 people show up to hear a man speak and a few rude people make it about them and try to prevent that person from being heard they are being rude, authoritarian, fascist, and intolerant of opposing viewpoints. They are ruining the event for everyone. It's disgusting.

Saw a joke about how if Trump just titled his rallies "Job Fair" that none of the protesters would show up.

BTW this is a tactic the left uses all the time. They try to drown out opposing views. Check out Ben Shapiro at American campuses, check out Milo Yiannopoulos at American campuses. Same old story of the left not having the facts on their side, not having history on their side and being unwilling to hear what other people have to say.

 

[TheFunkMonkey]

No guy. If a rally is held at a public university or in a public venue, nobody has the right to shut that event down or prevent anyone from attending.

Are you agreeing with me, or disagreeing?

These rallies are private events. Even an arena @ public university, it's still a private event. Trump can include or exclude anybody he wants, and there's no expectation of 1st Amendment rights.

Here is a good explanation, from previous Trump event @ Valdosta:

http://www.valdosta.edu/about/news/...o-the-valdosta-state-university-community.php


While this is disturbing, it should be remembered that this was not a VSU sponsored event, but a private function. The Trump campaign, together with the Secret Service and other law-enforcement officials, had responsibility for such decisions, not VSU. As we reminded the campus via email last Friday, current federal law (HR 347) does not allow for protesting of any type in an area under protection by the Secret Service.

 

[RenoChazz]

Are you agreeing with me, or disagreeing?

These rallies are private events. Even an arena @ public university, it's still a private event. Trump can include or exclude anybody he wants, and there's no expectation of 1st Amendment rights.

Here is a good explanation, from previous Trump event @ Valdosta:

http://www.valdosta.edu/about/news/...o-the-valdosta-state-university-community.php


While this is disturbing, it should be remembered that this was not a VSU sponsored event, but a private function. The Trump campaign, together with the Secret Service and other law-enforcement officials, had responsibility for such decisions, not VSU. As we reminded the campus via email last Friday, current federal law (HR 347) does not allow for protesting of any type in an area under protection by the Secret Service.

Seems like he's agreeing with you, but at the same time making the point that the protesters have a right o be there and disrupt it. Property rights stump all other rights, (at least they should). That's the philosophy I subscribe to.

 

[Enfuego]

Are you agreeing with me, or disagreeing?

These rallies are private events. Even an arena @ public university, it's still a private event. Trump can include or exclude anybody he wants, and there's no expectation of 1st Amendment rights.

Here is a good explanation, from previous Trump event @ Valdosta:

http://www.valdosta.edu/about/news/...o-the-valdosta-state-university-community.php


While this is disturbing, it should be remembered that this was not a VSU sponsored event, but a private function. The Trump campaign, together with the Secret Service and other law-enforcement officials, had responsibility for such decisions, not VSU. As we reminded the campus via email last Friday, current federal law (HR 347) does not allow for protesting of any type in an area under protection by the Secret Service.

Dude, you're wrong. On the grounds of a public university, which is funded by public tax dollars, all events are open to the public. It may be a private event sure, but all events on the grounds of a public university are open to anyone who wants to attend. Trump cannot exclude anyone on the grounds of a public college.

 

[Enfuego]

Seems like he's agreeing with you, but at the same time making the point that the protesters have a right o be there and disrupt it. Property rights stump all other rights, (at least they should). That's the philosophy I subscribe to.

Bingo, anyone can attend on the grounds of a public university.

 

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