I fucking hate wearing masks....but me and my family did notice one positive thing with these masks

[rush__man]

Maybe. Or it was a coincidence.

Good hygiene is something that we all should have practiced to begin with. A shame some people needed a kick in the ass from a government to achieve it.

THIS

people are pigs for the most part. this original poster is exactly like me and probably most others in that i haven't even gotten the sniffles. but remember we didn't have a mask anything for the first month. so that tosses his mask theory out the window.

hygiene with distance is what has kept him virus free. definitely not some cheap $1 face diaper. think people.

 

[StevieRay]

"Yes, this is the process intelligent people follow.

When there is new information, or the understanding of a situation evolves, intelligent people modify their opinions and advice. AKA "change their minds".

Others who are threatened by their own fear and insecurity that they may be wrong, doggedly stick to their original position and find excuses to justify their inability to learn from new information."

Says someone else’s opinion

 

[snoop]

Social distancing is what kills the economy. When the government imposes social distancing rule on businesses, they're limiting the operation capacity. No one is going to make any $ when their capacity is limited to 50% or less. Subsequently, there will be loss of jobs, loss of incomes, loss of tax revenue...the list goes on. Just look at air travels/hotels/restaurants/casinos....the businesses are on life support. Without government bailout (PPP loan/extended UE...etc), a lot of of them will go under in a few months.

Next bailout package could include subsidizing income for businesses that suffer loss of income of 50% or more, we could find out the details as soon as next week.

The bottom line, we can't grow the economy when the government limits econ/social activities. 15% UE is the new normal. UBI (Universal Basic Income) could be coming sooner than you think.

 

[StevieRay]

Too much work, too little time to make my case. Which I have in many different threads over the past six months.

I suggest you go back to January, and start reading about what science told us then, how it went from not being transmitted between humans to MILLIONS of dead Americans overnight. Then about what science said about facemasks, then and now. Pay attention to how they scaled back their catastrophic death numbers because their "models were wrong"

Then read about what politicians and our media were saying about the virus in January, February and into March. And how they're rewriting history and pointing fingers now.

Then read about what our objectives were then and now, those are the moving goalposts. Hospitalizations and deaths are down, but now it's about new cases. The truth is they're not even new cases. Science tells us there are 30,000,000 to 60,000,000 inflicted Americans, that's 8% to 16%. So if we test 1,000,000 people, the overwhelming vast majority of them asymptomatic, we're EXPECTED to find 100,000 new cases. That's NOT a surge in new cases, that's a surge in discovered cases. There's no surge in new cases until positive test results exceed expectations. Which begs the question, what do liberals have against simple math?

Do I even need to mention the coverage about hydroxychloroquine? Democrats and their media attacked this drug simply because Trump mentioned it. There are plenty of doctors and results that prove it does help in many cases

If Obama were POTUS, my opinion would remain unchanged. But the democrats and their media would be selling a very different narrative about everything

And don't pretend there are no conflicting scientific and medical opinions. Democrats and their media just likes to silence the opposition

It's easy to set a record for cases when we're doing 8 times as many tests a day that we were during the peak on April, and even easier when labs are falsely reporting positives on those tests. Throw in the over stated deaths from other causes and poof......

 

[bodyforlife]

Social distancing is what kills the economy. When the government imposes social distancing rule on businesses, they're limiting the operation capacity. No one is going to make any $ when their capacity is limited to 50% or less. Subsequently, there will be loss of jobs, loss of incomes, loss of tax revenue...the list goes on. Just look at air travels/hotels/restaurants/casinos....the businesses are on life support. Without government bailout (PPP loan/extended UE...etc), a lot of of them will go under in a few months.

Next bailout package could include subsidizing income for businesses that suffer loss of income of 50% or more, we could find out the details as soon as next week.

The bottom line, we can't grow the economy when the government limits econ/social activities. 15% UE is the new normal. UBI (Universal Basic Income) could be coming sooner than you think.

Of course. But it's more convenient not to talk about that impact and how there is always a balance in play. People just want to look at extremes and spin the hyperbole.

 

[TimmyRules]

Masks work. Period.

When you show up to vote with your mask on be ready to show your ID.

maybe we need the Mods to get a new face with mask ? emoji (doubt the one I included goes through)hno:

 

[rush__man]

maybe we need the Mods to get a new face with mask  emoji (doubt the one I included goes through)hno:

wow it did. ? nice work!

 

[X-Files]

Social distancing is what kills the economy. When the government imposes social distancing rule on businesses, they're limiting the operation capacity. No one is going to make any $ when their capacity is limited to 50% or less. Subsequently, there will be loss of jobs, loss of incomes, loss of tax revenue...the list goes on. Just look at air travels/hotels/restaurants/casinos....the businesses are on life support. Without government bailout (PPP loan/extended UE...etc), a lot of of them will go under in a few months.

Hopefully many fast food places will go out of business & never come back. That would be a good thing.

Likewise for many other detrimental to society businesses.

Then there's many non essential businesses that are not needed, e.g. sports.

Online business is way up & booming. Mask & other safety items making also.

Meanwhile, with the lock-downs that occurred, traffic related injuries & deaths are way down.

There are lots of silver linings.

 

[Albatross]

Hopefully many fast food places will go out of business & never come back. That would be a good thing.

Likewise for many other detrimental to society businesses.

Then there's many non essential businesses that are not needed, e.g. sports.

Online business is way up & booming. Mask & other safety items making also.

Meanwhile, with the lock-downs that occurred, traffic related injuries & deaths are way down.

There are silver linings.

Suicides are way up. It just depends what narrative you want to defend and then cherry pick those stats

 

[X-Files]

Suicides are way up. It just depends what narrative you want to defend and then cherry pick those stats

I've seen no evidence of suicides being way up.

Flu illnesses and deaths, though, are almost surely way down. Probably abortions (child murders) too.

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

That is why everyone should read The Structure of Scientific Revolutions.

This is why we have the scientific method. We hypothesize, experiment, adjust. Hypothesize, experiment, adjust. The forefront of science is about constantly testing and tweaking based on the information available.

There were a lot of unknowns about the coronavirus, so scientists have had to constantly adjust. This is typical. We see it happen in science all the time. Its just that most people dont pay attention to science.

Well put.


But frankly, if you don’t believe in science you’re a fucking moron.

 

[JavyBaez9]

I've seen no evidence of suicides being way up.

Flu illnesses and deaths, though, are almost surely way down. Probably abortions (child murders) too.

Suicides and other deaths of despair are certainly up. You cherry pick stats.

Most deaths of despair are also usually young people. Not 90 year olds dying in a nursing home.

 

[bodyforlife]

Suicides and other deaths of despair are certainly up. You cherry pick stats.

Most deaths of despair are also usually young people. Not 90 year olds dying in a nursing home.

Actually Javy,

I wanted to chart the impact of the shelter-in-place orders and suicides back in April. Although I was able to find information stating that calls to suicide prevention hotlines were up by between 800%-1000%, I was unsuccessful in finding any information as to the actual number of suicides. Common sense would tell me that suicides were up during the time these isolation orders were in place in the varying states, but I found no information. If you do find some, I'd love to see it.

Admittedly, that doesn't mean x-hole is right, just that the numbers are not available to your general browser on the internet.

 

[JavyBaez9]

Actually Javy,

I wanted to chart the impact of the shelter-in-place orders and suicides back in April. Although I was able to find information stating that calls to suicide prevention hotlines were up by between 800%-1000%, I was unsuccessful in finding any information as to the actual number of suicides. Common sense would tell me that suicides were up during the time these isolation orders were in place in the varying states, but I found no information. If you do find some, I'd love to see it.

Admittedly, that doesn't mean x-hole is right, just that the numbers are not available to your general browser on the internet.

A few things here... one, we have to realize that any news that shows the lockdowns are hurting Americans is not going to be focused on by journalists. 96% of journalists are leftist, so this is not an angle they will pursue. That doesn't mean the information can't be found, but it makes it a bit harder.

Let me give you an easier example maybe... child abuse reports are significantly down since the lockdowns... Americans are less happy than ever before according to the polling, parents are spending more time with their children, and yet child abuse reports are significantly down. That makes no sense to me.

Does that mean children are being abused less? Almost zero chance of that. But they aren't interacting with teachers and nurses and guidance counselors, so the abuse goes unreported.

I'll look into this a bit more and see if I find anything conclusive. But I think it's one of those situations where it is certainly happening, but there aren't resources dedicated to proving it at the moment.

 

[StevieRay]

[h=1]SUICIDES ON THE RISE AMID STAY-AT-HOME ORDER[/h] Doctors at John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek say they have seen more deaths by suicide during this quarantine period than deaths from the COVID-19 virus.

The numbers are unprecedented, he said.

"We've never seen numbers like this, in such a short period of time," he said. "I mean we've seen a year's worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks

 

[bodyforlife]

A few things here... one, we have to realize that any news that shows the lockdowns are hurting Americans is not going to be focused on by journalists. 96% of journalists are leftist, so this is not an angle they will pursue. That doesn't mean the information can't be found, but it makes it a bit harder.

Let me give you an easier example maybe... child abuse reports are significantly down since the lockdowns... Americans are less happy than ever before according to the polling, parents are spending more time with their children, and yet child abuse reports are significantly down. That makes no sense to me.

Does that mean children are being abused less? Almost zero chance of that. But they aren't interacting with teachers and nurses and guidance counselors, so the abuse goes unreported.

I'll look into this a bit more and see if I find anything conclusive. But I think it's one of those situations where it is certainly happening, but there aren't resources dedicated to proving it at the moment.

SUICIDES ON THE RISE AMID STAY-AT-HOME ORDER

Doctors at John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek say they have seen more deaths by suicide during this quarantine period than deaths from the COVID-19 virus.

The numbers are unprecedented, he said.

"We've never seen numbers like this, in such a short period of time," he said. "I mean we've seen a year's worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks

As stated, if either of you can get the actual numbers, I'd love to see them. I did look for them and was unsuccessful.

 

[MAGAking1]

Well put.

But frankly, if you don’t believe in science you’re a fucking moron.

This is an indicator of how much Hines has fallen, when the only person still buying his bullshit is Mob.

He always advocates for a source, in this case its science, when he wants to reference it to make his point yet will ignore and discredit that
source when it is not on his sideface)(*^%



Google maps gave the StLouis Mob wrong directions to the governors Mansion:youmad:

 

[HinesWard86]

This is an indicator of how much Hines has fallen, when the only person still buying his bullshit is Mob.

He always advocates for a source, in this case its science, when he wants to reference it to make his point yet will ignore and discredit that
source when it is not on his sideface)(*^%



Google maps gave the StLouis Mob wrong directions to the governors Mansion:youmad:

What are you talking about? Re-read the first part of your second paragraph and tell me how that makes sense.

My "bullshit" is believing in science. If you want to take an anti-science approach you can, but I am largely happy with the growth of the human race over the last 400 years.

 

[Albatross]

I've seen no evidence of suicides being way up.

Flu illnesses and deaths, though, are almost surely way down. Probably abortions (child murders) too.

Saw a report a couple weeks ago that was saying the national death rate in 2020 will be at a 10 year low. I would think during a pandemic that people would be dead on the streets. Not happening. Open this shit back up. It will be over after the election.....guaranteed. Same as when all the liberals were rioting and looting.....not 1 mention of Covid 19......then when that flame burned out it is right back to Covid.....like clockwork for the sheep.


As for killing babies.....I dont know if that's included in national death rate or not.

 

[Albatross]

What are you talking about? Re-read the first part of your second paragraph and tell me how that makes sense.

My "bullshit" is believing in science. If you want to take an anti-science approach you can, but I am largely happy with the growth of the human race over the last 400 years.

Science excuse only used when it helps the flavors the talking points. There are so many examples the liberals refuse to believe science only to promote their agenda. There are also so called expert scientists that claim the complete opposite regarding the virus......same as liberal scientists that claim a male really isn't a male. Pointless to argue when there are always examples.