How Old is the Earth?

[DeathEatsaCracker]

It wouldn't be productive at all, since you aren't familiar with the scientific application of the word "theory".

Before such a debate could begin, I would have to teach you what a scientific theory is, how evolution works, and show you a small portion of the incomprehensibly massive amount of evidence for evolution.

And after all this, your cognitive dissonance would not allow you to see past your dogmatic fantasies anyway so I really can't be bothered with debating you.

 

[RobFunk]

Oh shnap. He said "dogmatic"

 

[nimue77]

Einstein was Agnostic

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Verdana]One must distingush the public face from the private reality. His comments on god said in public are quite different from his personal writings. One such example: "From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist.... I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our being."

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[festeringZit]

It wouldn't be productive at all, since you aren't familiar with the scientific application of the word "theory".

Before such a debate could begin, I would have to teach you what a scientific theory is, how evolution works, and show you a small portion of the incomprehensibly massive amount of evidence for evolution.

And after all this, your cognitive dissonance would not allow you to see past your dogmatic fantasies anyway so I really can't be bothered with debating you.

You know nothing about me ass-clown. I am very familiar with the scientific application of the word theory, and I am very well read on this whole subject.

I also have done post-graduate work as a scientist, as well as having
three college degrees.

There are plenty of renowned scientists who are creationists anyway.

So, bottom line is your ad hominem childish rhetoric gets you no-where
with me, nice try though.

Spare me the verbal diarrhea.

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

You know nothing about me ass-clown. I am very familiar with the scientific application of the word theory, and I am very well read on this whole subject.

I also have done post-graduate work as a scientist, as well as having
three college degrees.

There are plenty of renowned scientists who are creationists anyway.

So, bottom line is your ad hominem childish rhetoric gets you no-where
with me, nice try though.

Spare me the verbal diarrhea.

I would imagine it would be safe to assume that you're not a biologist.

 

[festeringZit]

I would imagine it would be safe to assume that you're not a biologist.

Funny you should ask. Would it really matter to you if I was? We
both know the answer to that question.

The first Creation/Evolution debate I ever went to in 1977
(were you even born then?) was argued on the Creation side
by my Sunday School teacher Dr. Robert Sjogren who was
the head of the micro-biology dept. at the University of Vermont.

 

[JoeContrarian]

It wouldn't be productive at all, since you aren't familiar with the scientific application of the word "theory".

Before such a debate could begin, I would have to teach you what a scientific theory is, how evolution works, and show you a small portion of the incomprehensibly massive amount of evidence for evolution.

And after all this, your cognitive dissonance would not allow you to see past your dogmatic fantasies anyway so I really can't be bothered with debating you.

:lolBIG:

Let's see your "incomprehensibly massive amount of evidence." Everyone knows you won't do that because that would mean putting your fallacious 'theory' under scrutiny, allowing even a child to easily deconstruct it and just laugh.

Let's start with the basics...

The Scientific Method:

Does "evolution" follow the Scientific Method? Let's see your "incomprehensibly massive amount of evidence for evolution" under this strict scientific framework.

No? Well then I guess this 'theory' is no different than humans who once believed that the Earth was flat.

Unfortunately, throughout history, every civilization has had their share of nuts...this one is no exception. (See also the "Gorebull Warming" alarmists.)

Speaking of nuts, please don't anyone soil a great mind like Albert Einstein by even suggesting he's in the same camp as ignoramuses like Richard Dawkins.hno:

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

Funny you should ask. Would it really matter to you if I was? We
both know the answer to that question.

The first Creation/Evolution debate I ever went to in 1977
(were you even born then?) was argued on the Creation side
by my Sunday School teacher Dr. Robert Sjogren who was
the head of the micro-biology dept. at the University of Vermont.

Yes, I was alive at the time. Thanks for the compliment.

I Googled Dr. Robert Sjogren and unless he works in mosquito control in Minnesota or is a Gastroenterologist in Virginia, I get no hits. Quite reputable, this fellow.

No matter, there is no doubt that there are some scientists who are also creationists. However, I would be surprised if any of these people made the claim that there is a scientific foundation for creationism.

 

[festeringZit]

Yes, I was alive at the time. Thanks for the compliment.

I Googled Dr. Robert Sjogren and unless he works in mosquito control in Minnesota or is a Gastroenterologist in Virginia, I get no hits. Quite reputable, this fellow.

No matter, there is no doubt that there are some scientists who are also creationists. However, I would be surprised if any of these people made the claim that there is a scientific foundation for creationism.

Re-google with Robert Sjogren and UVM.

There quite certainly is a plethora of renowned Scientists that
affirm the intelligent design theory over evolution.

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

Re-google with Robert Sjogren and UVM.

There quite certainly is a plethora of renowned Scientists that
affirm the intelligent design theory over evolution.

Yes, there are. And when a few of them were put on the stand in Dover they got massacred and were very nearly charged with perjury.

 

[festeringZit]

Yes, there are. And when a few of them were put on the stand in Dover they got massacred and were very nearly charged with perjury.

Yawn.

A Scientific Dissent from Darwinism:
http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org/

700+ current Scientists sign their dissent from Darwinism:
http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=660

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

I found Sjogren's page on the Faculty menu at UVA, but that's about all I can dig up.

 

[festeringZit]

I found Sjogren's page on the Faculty menu at UVA, but that's about all I can dig up.

Are we using the same search engine? My first page of hits from
google:



Robert E. Sjogren, Associate Professor Emeritus

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="j">Robert E. Sjogren, associate professor emeritus on microbes.info. ... Dr. Sjogren's field of expertise is Environmental Microbiology. ...
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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="j hc">Robert E. Sjogren, Ph.D. Associate Professor Emeritus, Microbiology and Molecular Genetics. The University of Vermont. ...
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<!--m-->Streptococcal population profiles as indicators of water quality

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="j">ANTHONY A. RUTKOWSKI and ROBERT E. SJOGREN. Department of Microbiology, University of Vermont, Burlington, VT 05405 U.S.A.. (Received June 24, 1986; ...
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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="j hc">ROBERT E, SJOGREN. Department of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics, University of Vermont, Burlington, Vermont. 05405. (Received 28 August, 1992; ...
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<!--m-->Measurement of Proteolysis in Natural Waters

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<!--m-->Insecticidal composite timed released particle - US Patent 5484600

Inventor(s). Robert D. Sjogren ... Issued on: March 22, 1988 Inventor: Sjogren ... Applied and Environmental Microbiology, Apr. 1987, vol. 53, No. 4, p. ...
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[DeathEatsaCracker]

Yawn.

A Scientific Dissent from Darwinism:
http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org/

700+ current Scientists sign their dissent from Darwinism:
http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=660

Wow...a whole 700? Would you be so ambitious as to say this 700 represents more than .1% of all the scientists on the planet?

:lolBIG:

My guess is that it's closer to .01%.

Keep flailing away helplessly. It's quite amusing.

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

Are we using the same search engine? My first page of hits from
google:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...ELA:en&q="Robert+Sjogren"+vermont&btnG=Search

First link is dead.

 

[JoeContrarian]

It's beyond obvious these fundy Darwiniacs are starting to lose this debate -- badly. Since their 'theory' doesn't hold any water, the only thing left for them to do is to stifle dissent from the growing list of scientists who openly question Darwin's theory, hoping the public doesn't wake up and take notice.

If you watch Ben Stein's "Exposed: No Intelligence Allowed" you will witness some of the tactics being used by the Darwiniacs and by the end of the movie, you'll end up just as repulsed as I was.

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

Yawn.

A Scientific Dissent from Darwinism:
http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org/

700+ current Scientists sign their dissent from Darwinism:
http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=660

Another thing that is quite amusing is that the majority of the whopping 700 scientists aren't even qualified to question Evolution. The list is rife with Geologists, Physicists, engineers, etc. There's even a few Oceanographers and Philosophers on the list.

Comedy gold.

 

[festeringZit]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...ELA:en&q="Robert+Sjogren"+vermont&btnG=Search

First link is dead.

Oh, did you want me verify google's links are live now?

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

Oh, did you want me verify google's links are live now?

No, I'm just saying you told me to Google Robert Sjogren and vermont. I did and those are the results.

It's neither here nor there, though.

 

[festeringZit]

No, I'm just saying you told me to Google Robert Sjogren and vermont. I did and those are the results.

It's neither here nor there, though.

You questioned his repute. You'd think the fact that he has
a PhD in genetics and was the head of a University micro-biology
dept. would prevent you from saying something so stupid.