as I get busier and busier, mostly because of the efforts of some bureaucracy.
gotta love it
as I get busier and busier, mostly because of the efforts of some bureaucracy.
gotta love it
Obama answers the original question posed in this thread...well, sort of :>(
"We will have some up-front costs," the president acknowledged. "And the estimates ... have been anywhere from a trillion to $2 trillion. But what I have said is whatever it is we do, we pay for."
"We will have some up-front costs," the president acknowledged. "And the estimates ... have been anywhere from a trillion to $2 trillion. But what I have said is whatever it is we do, we pay for."
Putting aside that no plan has been put forth as yet...
When I mentioned "Republicans", I wasn't referring to you or anyone else that isn't in the legistature or RNC. I thought that was obvious, but I guess not. There's certainly a political aspect to this. There are elements within the Democrats that want to be seen as the ones that rescued health care and there are elements within the Republicans that are determined not to let that happen.
6 States Want to Nullify Obamacare With Opt Out Law
By Warner Todd Huston(Profile) on Healthcare
Six states are currently looking to add an "opt out" law to their books to protect citizens from the possibility of a national healthcare plan imposed by federal fiat.
Arizona started the ball rolling by introducing the Health Care Freedom Act, a voting initiative that will be put before voters on the 2010 ballot. If accepted by the majority of the voters, Arizona will be able to opt out of any federal healthcare laws passed by Washington. Indiana, Minnesota, New Mexico, North Dakota and Wyoming are considering similar measures.
The arrogance of Congress and the president worries many of these state lawmakers, some even consider Obama's healthcare policies a naked power grab.
Some state legislators say they worry that a government-mandated program will effectively eliminate their traditional role in regulating health insurers — an important power base. Others raise constitutional concerns. "The real goal of national health insurance exchange isn't competition — it's a federal power grab that flies in the face of the Tenth Amendment," says Wisconsin state Rep. Leah Vukmir, a Republican.
Just for a point of reference, here is the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Now, I've read the Constitution several times and I don't see a single place in it where it talks about hospitals, doctors, or healthcare, nor especially where it might say that the federal government should control all such activities from Congress and pay for it all out of the national treasury. Then again, the Constitution hasn't mattered to any Democrat for decades, so why worry about that now?
In any case, this is an interesting movement on the part of six brave states. Let us hope that this idea spreads to others and Obamacare, should we be so unfortunate enough to have it pass through Congress, could be stopped dead at the borders of the various states. http://www.redstate.com/blog/2009/06/28/6-states-want-to-nullify-obamacare-with-opt-out-law/
By Warner Todd Huston(Profile) on Healthcare
Six states are currently looking to add an "opt out" law to their books to protect citizens from the possibility of a national healthcare plan imposed by federal fiat.
Arizona started the ball rolling by introducing the Health Care Freedom Act, a voting initiative that will be put before voters on the 2010 ballot. If accepted by the majority of the voters, Arizona will be able to opt out of any federal healthcare laws passed by Washington. Indiana, Minnesota, New Mexico, North Dakota and Wyoming are considering similar measures.
The arrogance of Congress and the president worries many of these state lawmakers, some even consider Obama's healthcare policies a naked power grab.
Some state legislators say they worry that a government-mandated program will effectively eliminate their traditional role in regulating health insurers — an important power base. Others raise constitutional concerns. "The real goal of national health insurance exchange isn't competition — it's a federal power grab that flies in the face of the Tenth Amendment," says Wisconsin state Rep. Leah Vukmir, a Republican.
Just for a point of reference, here is the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Now, I've read the Constitution several times and I don't see a single place in it where it talks about hospitals, doctors, or healthcare, nor especially where it might say that the federal government should control all such activities from Congress and pay for it all out of the national treasury. Then again, the Constitution hasn't mattered to any Democrat for decades, so why worry about that now?
In any case, this is an interesting movement on the part of six brave states. Let us hope that this idea spreads to others and Obamacare, should we be so unfortunate enough to have it pass through Congress, could be stopped dead at the borders of the various states. http://www.redstate.com/blog/2009/06/28/6-states-want-to-nullify-obamacare-with-opt-out-law/
Quote:
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The government controls Medicare. It's broke.
The government controls Medicaid. It's broke.
The government controls the VA system entirely, including running its own hospitals. It's broke.
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holy cow...so no one will receive any more Medicare or Medicaid payments and the VA system is closing??
This is news worthy of its own thread, imho
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The government controls Medicare. It's broke.
The government controls Medicaid. It's broke.
The government controls the VA system entirely, including running its own hospitals. It's broke.
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holy cow...so no one will receive any more Medicare or Medicaid payments and the VA system is closing??
This is news worthy of its own thread, imho
!~~~!
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