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what about it was exactly baby? I obviously havent been happy about how things have been running of late, I pmed you to ask if the rx was going to continue something that was very helpful on a sport thats hard to get info on, and you said no. with all that being said, just wasnt worth my time trying to help promote/carry that forum, especially when you said rx was going another direction or something close to that. I had people pm'ing me asking when the season started, so to save myself time and other members i posted a thread stating I would not be posting my picks here, but wishing everyone good luck on their plays for the season. Then people started asking me where I would be posting, and ill I stated was probably down the street and people again started pm'ing me asking where.

so i dont really see how i want out of my way to promote another site when it came to the wnba. Now sure a few people who i spoke to on a regular basis, i told them i was posting alot more on another site, as opposed to here, but again pointed out, its a much smaller place with limited activity, but no crazies running around free making a joke of trying to bet


So you admit that the Only way you would Post in the WNBA forum here at the RX is if you Received Something that you got for FREE for a Year, last Year ?

But Because I wasn't able to give you something in return for you Posting in that Forum, You would not Post there, But somewhere Else ???

So you wanted to get Paid to post ?? are they Paying you to Post at the other Forum ???

Sorry the RX doesn't Pay posters to post at our Forum. We have Mods that get Paid, but that's about it.
 

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lets answer your questions

So you admit that the Only way you would Post in the WNBA forum here at the RX is if you Received Something that you got for FREE for a Year, last Year ?

1. no, if I thought this site was trying to make improvements after it has fallen in the past few months/year i would have been more than willing to post my picks. But when your not happy with the site overall and pull away a resource that was very useful for trying to improve that section of the site, get new people interested in betting the sport and build up traffic, essentially making my job more difficult and more work having to scour around twitter and local media for updates, why would I do the site a favor?

But Because I wasn't able to give you something in return for you Posting in that Forum, You would not Post there, But somewhere Else ???

2. basically see above. also you stated the site wanted to go in another direction with the forum or something close, then all the sudden a wnba guru appears and starts posting. so im not happy with the site in general, you pull away a resource I used for the good of everyone trying to bet it, and then seemingly replaced me, and you also tell me, but i can still post picks if I like lol.

So you wanted to get Paid to post ?? are they Paying you to Post at the other Forum ???

3. no, i never asked you for money to post anything related to wnba, just asked if you were going to continue the service i used and posted in the forum for injury updates and line moves for all. No im not getting anything at atb, nor have I asked for anything outside of them giving the wnba its own seperate forum.
 

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here is your pm to me and my original question

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so with the wnba forum starting last yr, wil made a deal with me posting my picks here i got a sports options ( with rich or rick) account to keep up with all the injuries and what not for the league to post and help others interested in picking up betting a new league since its during a low point in sports seasons. well its set to expire in a day (tomorrow) and I did not know if the service would be extended with wnba preseason starting in a few days and regular season in a couple weeks. I know wil is gone and i believe the sports options banners are also gone, but i figured asking couldnt hurt.


Yeah guess that's something that Wil put together for you last year. As you can see we have done a few cut backs and
We plan on moving in a different direction with the WNBA forum, so there will be no need for you babysit the forum.
You are free to post in there if you wish.

Thanks


so again, you took away the service i used to help everyone bet a niche sport, your told me the rx wanted to take the forum in a new direction (so basically i started it, so your basically firing me in a sense), again reiterating that by telling me i dont have to baby sit/promote it, but i am allowed to still post my picks if i want.

well holy shit, arent I lucky
 
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Lets answer your questions

So you admit that the Only way you would Post in the WNBA forum here at the RX is if you Received Something that you got for FREE for a Year, last Year ?

1. no, if I thought this site was trying to make improvements after it has fallen in the past few months/year i would have been more than willing to post my picks. But when your not happy with the site overall and pull away a resource that was very useful for trying to improve that section of the site, get new people interested in betting the sport and build up traffic, essentially making my job more difficult and more work having to scour around twitter and local media for updates, why would I do the site a favor?

And for your Time ( or as you put it "Favor" )you were given something that you got to use for a Full Year.
It wasn't Pulled away from you, but expired. But you felt that because you didn't have it any longer you Wouldn't Post Here at the RX but at Another site.
If I'm not mistaken .... You Posted Your WNBA picks well before you received this resource.

But Because I wasn't able to give you something in return for you Posting in that Forum, You would not Post there, But somewhere Else ???

2. basically see above. also you stated the site wanted to go in another direction with the forum or something close, then all the sudden a wnba guru appears and starts posting. so im not happy with the site in general, you pull away a resource I used for the good of everyone trying to bet it, and then seemingly replaced me, and you also tell me, but i can still post picks if I like lol.

The "other" direction was that You or anyone else didn't have to run/watch/babysit that Sub-Forum.
as far as wnba guru, I have no idea who he is. He does not work for the RX. So nobody replaced you. lol

So you wanted to get Paid to post ?? are they Paying you to Post at the other Forum ???

3. no, i never asked you for money to post anything related to wnba, just asked if you were going to continue the service i used and posted in the forum for injury updates and line moves for all. No im not getting anything at atb, nor have I asked for anything outside of them giving the wnba its own seperate forum.

Never said anything about Money. But you did receive a Resource worth Money to do what you were doing. That You won't do here but somewhere else.

Bottom line is You aren't happy with the Site, but if you can get the same Resource as you received for a Year for Free, you would have Posted in the WNBA forum.
But you didn't get it, so you are posting somewhere else.

You can spin it anyway you want. Not hard to figure this out.
 
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here is your pm to me and my original question



Yeah guess that's something that Wil put together for you last year. As you can see we have done a few cut backs and
We plan on moving in a different direction with the WNBA forum, so there will be no need for you babysit the forum.
You are free to post in there if you wish.

Thanks


so again, you took away the service i used to help everyone bet a niche sport, your told me the rx wanted to take the forum in a new direction (so basically i started it, so your basically firing me in a sense), again reiterating that by telling me i dont have to baby sit/promote it, but i am allowed to still post my picks if i want.

well holy shit, arent I lucky

You started it, and would post in there. Again, You ONLY wanted to post in there as long as you Received something in return.

You Post your baseball plays, Right ? Do you get anything in return ? NO

Nobody is begging you to Post in there... or the site it self, Everyone can post at Any site and ALL sites.

and if you didn't like the way the forum is going, why Ask me about it in the first place ?? probably because you received a notice that your resource was about to expire ??

Again, Spin it as you wish.
 

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I asked because the wnba season is about to begin and info is not nearly as easy to find about the wnba, as it is the 4 major sports. I never asked wil for sports options, it was given to me as a tool to help the wnba forum. You act like i have not been bring up the site dropping off for some time, ive sent a few pms over the months, point out crap that needed to be taken care of, but wasnt. I showed my displeasure long before bringing up anything about sports options and still bring up my displeasure afterwards.

what would be my motivation to continue posting in the wnba forum?


im all for helping out other members, but the rx has just gotten lazy and the quality of its product reflects that. spin all you want, but complaints have fallen on deaf ears, with even a token response rarely heard. The site is going down hill, you pull away resources that were used for the forum, and then you make it seem like who gives a shit if you post in there or not

but when i say well i dont think im going to post them here, im all the sudden the bad guy who has gone tout and kicked down to the service play section like im trying to pm members and charge them money for picks.

also if some of the pms about the site going down in my mind were meet with more than "ehhhh idk why hes still here haha" or its not up to me. I wouldnt have been so bitter going into it and viewed your above pm as the final nail in the coffin of a who gives a shit attitude that seems to be prominent around here now.


spin all you like bas, but you know i was a stand up member for years and read this site for quite some time before i joined, but you continue to spin as you wish
 

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I have spoken directly with the owner of this site and here is his quote:

"I couldn't be happier with the way the site is now being handled by our leading moderators and the entire team compared to the past."

That's all we need to know!

Don't see how the owner's feelings really matter much... I mean, I'm glad he's feeling swell and all, but it doesn't mean much to me.
 

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Don't see how the owner's feelings really matter much... I mean, I'm glad he's feeling swell and all, but it doesn't mean much to me.

it seems they are just happy to have the activity, the numbers are down across the board and I honestly believe they are afraid to get rid of these people bc the numbers will drop off that much more. plain and simple they are willing to keep 10 shitty members who bring nothing to the table but idiotic posts/threads, even if it causes 1 good capper/poster to go elsewhere.
 

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I think it'll feel very different come football season - the increase in quality activity always helps people stay on topic. I know myself, I tend to stay in the offshore forum, with rare posts in NBA, MMA, and here... But when footballs roll around, I have a greater interest in reading what the college guys have to say, and writing in the NFL forum.

I do wish there was a standardized way to post plays (and records), in both the tracker and regular forums. I know a lot of guys take pride in their write-ups and, shall we say flavor, but at the same time, we end up with so many ridiculous threads.
 
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I asked because the wnba season is about to begin and info is not nearly as easy to find about the wnba, as it is the 4 major sports. I never asked wil for sports options, it was given to me as a tool to help the wnba forum. You act like i have not been bring up the site dropping off for some time, ive sent a few pms over the months, point out crap that needed to be taken care of, but wasnt. I showed my displeasure long before bringing up anything about sports options and still bring up my displeasure afterwards.

what would be my motivation to continue posting in the wnba forum?


im all for helping out other members, but the rx has just gotten lazy and the quality of its product reflects that. spin all you want, but complaints have fallen on deaf ears, with even a token response rarely heard. The site is going down hill, you pull away resources that were used for the forum, and then you make it seem like who gives a shit if you post in there or not

but when i say well i dont think im going to post them here, im all the sudden the bad guy who has gone tout and kicked down to the service play section like im trying to pm members and charge them money for picks.

also if some of the pms about the site going down in my mind were meet with more than "ehhhh idk why hes still here haha" or its not up to me. I wouldnt have been so bitter going into it and viewed your above pm as the final nail in the coffin of a who gives a shit attitude that seems to be prominent around here now.


spin all you like bas, but you know i was a stand up member for years and read this site for quite some time before i joined, but you continue to spin as you wish


The only one spinning is you, not Me.

Two different things here... your dislike of the way the site is going because of 3-5 idiot posters that either post without records or showboating the way they post.

and You not posting in the WNBA forum because you didn't get a Free Sportsoptions account. Something as a Thank you for help running a new sub forum.
And you didn't just get it for the WNBA season, you Received it for a Whole Year.

But I tell you that you do not have to help run it any longer, and that I can't help you get a Free Sportsoptions account, so you Refuse to post in the WNBA forum this year.
You rather Post your WNBA plays somewhere else. ( Which is fine ) again Nobody is forcing you to Post in there.

I have addressed you plenty of times when you asked me to check an IP and that you think a poster is a Ghost of another Already banned poster.
We have Moved, Deleted plenty of the BS posts and threads, some we have let go because let's face it... you need Thick skin around these forums.
OR you can just not look into a thread that you have a dislike of that poster.

Guys like you are funny, and I'm not just saying you. If we Delete, Move or Ban someone... Ohh we are still a Nazi site. If we leave it alone, pop in here and there to address or Warn someone or something but Don't Pull the trigger right away, we Suck again.

We can't win either way... and can't make Everyone happy.
But whatever you say... I myself believe the Forum is better Now than 6-7 Months ago. and So have others that i thought would never say it.

Are we 100% Perfect ? NO, but we are better .
 

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The only one spinning is you, not Me.

Two different things here... your dislike of the way the site is going because of 3-5 idiot posters that either post without records or showboating the way they post.

and You not posting in the WNBA forum because you didn't get a Free Sportsoptions account. Something as a Thank you for help running a new sub forum.
And you didn't just get it for the WNBA season, you Received it for a Whole Year.

But I tell you that you do not have to help run it any longer, and that I can't help you get a Free Sportsoptions account, so you Refuse to post in the WNBA forum this year.
You rather Post your WNBA plays somewhere else. ( Which is fine ) again Nobody is forcing you to Post in there.

I have addressed you plenty of times when you asked me to check an IP and that you think a poster is a Ghost of another Already banned poster.
We have Moved, Deleted plenty of the BS posts and threads, some we have let go because let's face it... you need Thick skin around these forums.
OR you can just not look into a thread that you have a dislike of that poster.

Guys like you are funny, and I'm not just saying you. If we Delete, Move or Ban someone... Ohh we are still a Nazi site. If we leave it alone, pop in here and there to address or Warn someone or something but Don't Pull the trigger right away, we Suck again.

We can't win either way... and can't make Everyone happy.
But whatever you say... I myself believe the Forum is better Now than 6-7 Months ago. and So have others that i thought would never say it.

Are we 100% Perfect ? NO, but we are better .

i just dont think i should be doing what i view as the site a favor, when i feel things have been going poorly in general and to me. Again i didnt blow up at you when you said you couldnt do the sports options, read the pm, looked into the wnba forum, see some "wnba guru" posting all the sudden and figure you guys found someone else to try to promote the sport with your new direction. i simply made a post saying i wouldnt be posting my picks on the site and wished everyone good luck on the season. but when people ask me where i might post my picks if I do, im not going to lie to them, I didnt start messaging random members saying hey all of my picks are now at so and so, fuck the rx. they asked and i told them where id post if i did post picks.

but when you move me to the site promotion section for no reason, dont even bother to send me a curtousey pm by whoever did it, edit my location and tag line again without telling me why. its just bull shit. seems like if i dont agree with everything the rx does or its company view, you get punished for saying so here. but violate what use to be major rules like multiple ids, ghosting your own thread, posting/creating false records are meet with ohhhh hes just being silly, carry on.
 

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let me see if I understand something here....forgetting how the site is doing overall bc thats a nauseating topic already, Kidman was a pretty good WNBA guy last year right?? That is a tough sport to cap and all he wanted was a SO renewal to keep it going and the RX doesnt want to do that??

How much does SO cost for the year?? I am just curious.

Not saying anyone is right or wrong here. From what I can determine it would seem like a decent enough investment if the SO was priced reasonably...Shit I would rather follow Kidman than donk off in the Casino during the off times....
 
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i just dont think i should be doing what i view as the site a favor, when i feel things have been going poorly in general and to me. Again i didnt blow up at you when you said you couldnt do the sports options, read the pm, looked into the wnba forum, see some "wnba guru" posting all the sudden and figure you guys found someone else to try to promote the sport with your new direction. i simply made a post saying i wouldnt be posting my picks on the site and wished everyone good luck on the season. but when people ask me where i might post my picks if I do, im not going to lie to them, I didnt start messaging random members saying hey all of my picks are now at so and so, fuck the rx. they asked and i told them where id post if i did post picks.

but when you move me to the site promotion section for no reason, dont even bother to send me a curtousey pm by whoever did it, edit my location and tag line again without telling me why. its just bull shit. seems like if i dont agree with everything the rx does or its company view, you get punished for saying so here. but violate what use to be major rules like multiple ids, ghosting your own thread, posting/creating false records are meet with ohhhh hes just being silly, carry on.


so after 4 years you don't know it's not allowed to advertise a Site, ANY SITE as a Location or Tag ??? I'll call BULL SHIT
I'm not as Dumb as you sound here...... So Please
I should have told you I deleted it ??? @):mad:@):mad:

So like if someone would say at another forum, I'm going to PM others to tell them about this place.... You Think it should be OK for that forum to Allow you to use Our PM system to promote other Places ?? The RX PM system is a privilege allowed to Posters, Once it is abused it's taken away.
We get plenty of email's telling us all kind of stuff that the PM's are being used for. Touts, Wannabe Bookies, sites, asking for money... I could go on and on.
When we find this out, those that abuse this Lose the PM's.

Again Bottom line, you are free to post Anywhere you please. Nobody is holding you here. Yes you have been a Very good poster here. But if you Don't like it here
No need to even have this conversation.
You have posted at other forums before, so you have plenty of places to post at.
 
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let me see if I understand something here....forgetting how the site is doing overall bc thats a nauseating topic already, Kidman was a pretty good WNBA guy last year right?? That is a tough sport to cap and all he wanted was a SO renewal to keep it going and the RX doesnt want to do that??

How much does SO cost for the year?? I am just curious.

Not saying anyone is right or wrong here. From what I can determine it would seem like a decent enough investment if the SO was priced reasonably...Shit I would rather follow Kidman than donk off in the Casino during the off times....

Not that it matters, a Full year is $3,600 for the Pro

As the PM states, it's not that The RX doesn't want to do it. It was given to him because he helped start up a WNBA Sub-forum. So Wil worked something out where he got it for free.
Now I couldn't tell you if the deal was During the WNBA or for a Full Year. I could tell you did get it for about a Year... It expired I guess because his PM to me says he got a Notice that it would expire in a day or so.

We don't have anyone else helping out at any of the other Sports sub Forums, other than the Mods.
So didn't think we needed anyone to Help with the WNBA forum other than the Mods. He asked about the deal he got last year, and I said there was no need to baby sit that forum and i guess whatever deal you got from Wil, wouldn't be extended this season. He decides not to post his plays in that Forum ( Which is fine )
Hey, he's free to post or not to post...
But he rather start a new thread saying he Won't be posting his plays here.
Did he think nobody wasn't going to ask why ??

Again, Nobody is forcing Anyone to Post here.
 

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let me see if I understand something here....forgetting how the site is doing overall bc thats a nauseating topic already, Kidman was a pretty good WNBA guy last year right?? That is a tough sport to cap and all he wanted was a SO renewal to keep it going and the RX doesnt want to do that??

How much does SO cost for the year?? I am just curious.

Not saying anyone is right or wrong here. From what I can determine it would seem like a decent enough investment if the SO was priced reasonably...Shit I would rather follow Kidman than donk off in the Casino during the off times....

SportsOptions is $299/month or you can get a slight discount on a 1 year subscription. Not exactly chump change for 1 year. Besides, how many posters really are interested or bet on the WNBA. I would say that Kidman was nicely compensated for what he provided. Personally, I don't think we even need a WNBA Forum. Just place it back with the NBA Forum. I'm always amazed at how important posters view themselves through their own eyes. The RX has never been better. Losing posters is part of the business. They come and go and new ones replace them. People move on. It is the nature of life. There are many reasons people leave, mostly personal. The RX will be here as long as the owner wants it to be here, period!
 

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fair enough OMT...of course I dont have access to the data to see if Kidman really had a big following or not...And that is more $$ than I thought SO was....

I'm definitely done with the state of the RX argument.... Its not really about that. I am just curious about the way RX management views a posters value to the site...

It seems like a low value is placed on nya particular poster regardless of what they bring to the site in terms of views or profit for followers and thats fine...I understand that line of thinking...Like you say people will come and go and vote with their feet...
 

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bas- people post all the time that they are doing so and so across the street, at freaks place, or shrinks when he was at eog. people talk about other sites all the time. Heck you even have members whose names are such as eog hater, and people can start threads saying, hertiage is the best shop bar none, 5dimes is amazing etc etc. last time i checked this site was about promoting knowledge and insight to help gamblers, so my tage of 1vice fan or supporter is so much worse then all the above that go on all the time? also why would I know a tag like that is against the rules, im not a mod and i dont go around promoting different things on a weekly basis. I have a feeling that if my tag was 5dimes rocks, it wouldnt have been pulled, but since the rx and 1vice arent on the greatest of terms, it got ax'ed.

again its not like i said i demand sports options, you said no and i went off out of no where, its a snowball of like 5-6 issues on my end

1. The idiotic threads with mutiple ids, ghosting, and creating false records to advertise themselves on this site

2. the lack of pm responses in general, and if you do get a response, basically just the mod laughing it off or saying what can i do

3. the way the rx treated 1vice after they bailed out the rx

4. the rx lack of information sharing with its members. tired of being treated like 2nd class citizens. Rx and its staff play childish games which breakdown almost to, i have a secret about so and so, and you say ok well what is it, ohhhhhh yea i cant tell you or get into it. I know some stuff has to stay behind closed doors, but fuck how can you keep adding books and kicking them out within a months time on rather scamming money or shadyness. Members play at these places bc the rx backs/promotes them, and then they are gone without a word, and the members are left holding the bag.

5. the pm you sent me about the about the wnba was not very clear and can easily be seen like you were telling me not to bother with the wnba forum anymore. the rx wanted to take it in a new direction (well it had been going in the direction myself and wil started), i didnt need to look over the forum anymore, and then ofcourse the addition of a new member out of the blue named wnba guru who i viewed as the new direction and replacement to look over it.

6. my post stating i would not be posting wnba plays here, which i only made after a received a few pms about wnba starting up and wanted to save time and put it out there early for anyone who planned on trying to follow. again, i didnt come out and say im posting at so and so, come hang out there and leave the rx forever. people asked where i might post if i post, so im not going to lie to them. the but you can still post if you want, can come off as very sarcastic, especially if you feel like your getting kicked out of the forum you got started.

7. sports options- this alone is not a big deal at all, as bas has stated, i posted picks before it.but again with everything else above, it was one of the last straws.


omt- i respect your picks, write ups, and overall interaction with the members on a daily basis. but if you honestly believe the rx has never been better, you are missing a few marbles. I know some people had personal issues with wil and I have seen them say how they are happier he is gone, but as a whole, people complaining about quality posters getting run off, the idiotic threads/picks, and the overall drop off in activity on this site greatly outweighs any praise a couple members are giving.

maybe you guys as mods are enjoying the site alot more these days bc you dont have to do nearly as much moding as before, because pretty much anything goes now, so what really needs to be moded. I mean if i got to work half as much at work and still get paid the same (no idea if u guys took cuts or anything), well id be praising it too, but its the customers/posters that are suffering
 
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Sorry but I have to ask. It seems like a lot of posters have left and if so what site? Sorry if I am out of line just wanted to know but I am a loyal poster to this site and this site only.
 

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Havent read anything in this thread but I agree with the title...the amount of bickering/drama/hating has become beyond annoying. Sucks because ive been visiting this site so long but slowly transitioning to the other sites...gl
 

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Havent read anything in this thread but I agree with the title...the amount of bickering/drama/hating has become beyond annoying. Sucks because ive been visiting this site so long but slowly transitioning to the other sites...gl
You got guys like Dixie Dynamite posting "Nobody likes these dogs but me"
You got touts posting in the main forums.
The political forum has run off at least six posters, threatening posters.
etc. etc. etc

The political forum needs to be abolished, like now for starters.
 

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