Here is what I would like to know. How many guys only make 4-5 huge plays a year for their annual income. Guys who sit back and wait to see a situation where it is like walking into the book with a ski mask and robbing the place. Those games/events where you look at the line afterward and say, "Wow, they were way off on that one." I know the theory of money management says to never bet above a certain % of your bankroll on one game, but of course to these type of bettors (if they do exist) they are so sure of their plays that they are willing to take the risk and they have the bankroll to do it.
Some good posts in this thread.
I think there are more guys then you would think grinding out livings in the casinos. Journey I would think their is only a small handful making the numbers you are talking about.
When you guys go to the Nugget you will see their 10 cent lines to 200 and then go to ANY offshore book and tell me who has a better line.So their are some good deals in Vegas if you look.
Scarab- Absolutely
I think there are more guys then you would think grinding out livings in the casinos. Journey I would think their is only a small handful making the numbers you are talking about.
When you guys go to the Nugget you will see their 10 cent lines to 200 and then go to ANY offshore book and tell me who has a better line.So their are some good deals in Vegas if you look.
Scarab- Absolutely
Fish, not by name , but more than likely by sight.
Nugget runs hot and cold. Somedays they can heve the very best numbers, then other days they are mediocre at best. but that is the beauty of it, the more outs the more "nuggets" (pun intended) you can find. It only takes one or two numbers a day, to make a guys day.
I know Vegas gets tha bad rap for not being able to bet boatloads. But that is just it, to make money you really don't have to bet that much. My opinionated plays aren't even 800 bux per play. But my leads and straight up scalps are what I can usually get down at the various places I needed to. it is all about money management, and getting the most from what you play.
Sometimes I get 7 to 10 cents, sometimes I have to "eat" upwards of a nickle. but in the end it is about volume, as long as you make money more times than you get stuck then you are succeeding.
It isn't this fantacized hollywood stuff you see. Or even what you read about. Sure guys hit big once in awhile, and can break the bank. But believe it whenI say for every story you hear about that guy hitting, there are 5 or 6 of him getting his clock cleaned.
I have yet to be convinced that guys make millions GAMBLING on sports. That is betting one way all the time. I frankly think it is nealry impossible.
I am no genius, but I know alittle bit, and I can handicap as good as the next guy. I also have records back to when I started, and I went through them one time tallying the teams I liked or had a good lead on versus the buy back price. I wouldn't be any further ahead. And I had some pretty nice numbers. But things happen and bad beats get you.
The smart guys make their mney work for them. Bet a number hope your money generates some movement, get a little momentum going the other way, then get the by back. That is why the limits have really been maintained to avoiding self made moves. I know the old timers and they tell me how they would bet a game, walk away, and when they turned around they already had a nickle on their own money. That is how to make easy money.
Nugget runs hot and cold. Somedays they can heve the very best numbers, then other days they are mediocre at best. but that is the beauty of it, the more outs the more "nuggets" (pun intended) you can find. It only takes one or two numbers a day, to make a guys day.
I know Vegas gets tha bad rap for not being able to bet boatloads. But that is just it, to make money you really don't have to bet that much. My opinionated plays aren't even 800 bux per play. But my leads and straight up scalps are what I can usually get down at the various places I needed to. it is all about money management, and getting the most from what you play.
Sometimes I get 7 to 10 cents, sometimes I have to "eat" upwards of a nickle. but in the end it is about volume, as long as you make money more times than you get stuck then you are succeeding.
It isn't this fantacized hollywood stuff you see. Or even what you read about. Sure guys hit big once in awhile, and can break the bank. But believe it whenI say for every story you hear about that guy hitting, there are 5 or 6 of him getting his clock cleaned.
I have yet to be convinced that guys make millions GAMBLING on sports. That is betting one way all the time. I frankly think it is nealry impossible.
I am no genius, but I know alittle bit, and I can handicap as good as the next guy. I also have records back to when I started, and I went through them one time tallying the teams I liked or had a good lead on versus the buy back price. I wouldn't be any further ahead. And I had some pretty nice numbers. But things happen and bad beats get you.
The smart guys make their mney work for them. Bet a number hope your money generates some movement, get a little momentum going the other way, then get the by back. That is why the limits have really been maintained to avoiding self made moves. I know the old timers and they tell me how they would bet a game, walk away, and when they turned around they already had a nickle on their own money. That is how to make easy money.
Safety factor is a given and to me is the best seperation. I would sacrifice a penny here for a sure pay out than to worry about getting paid offshore. I have been lucky as to never have been stiffed. But I only play at two places offshore now, that is why I like Vegas, because my offshore outs are very limited.
I will play the slots once a week maybe. I have had a couple good hits, but no major jacpots. But sometimes I lose the 20 spot. So I am sure it has all evened out.
Used to play BJ at Binions single deck, but they don't let you play 3 seperate hands alone anymore so I don't play.
I will play the slots once a week maybe. I have had a couple good hits, but no major jacpots. But sometimes I lose the 20 spot. So I am sure it has all evened out.
Used to play BJ at Binions single deck, but they don't let you play 3 seperate hands alone anymore so I don't play.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FISHHEAD:
The last 10 years, making a million dollars on slots or video poker would have been 10x easier than doing so in sports.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I know you can (or could) make a living on video poker but no way can you beat the slots Fish.
The last 10 years, making a million dollars on slots or video poker would have been 10x easier than doing so in sports.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I know you can (or could) make a living on video poker but no way can you beat the slots Fish.
Be careful what you wish for here. Many would be surprised to learn how many true professionals in this business would tell you that if given a chance to do over, they would choose another path in life. To be successful in this business, as in being successful in any endeavor, one can pay a heavy price in life. In choosing a path in life, it is important to ask what is it that truly will make you whole as a person. Once you know that answer, follow that path and it will lead you to a fullfilling life. Being successful in this business, unless it will make you whole, is not a precursor to happiness or peace with oneself or those closest to you that care about you. Making money is not all that difficult. Finding your true place in life is much more difficult.
Would be interested to see what Fezzik says as he probably has a better guess than me currently. I do agree though the guy that just bets sports and nothing else is very rare. And counting these people has to be rather hard, they are outstanding players in town no doubt but knowing how good they are and how much of their action goes locally versus offshore is something you just can't know. I would say there are a good number of people that can do it successfully for a year or more, but a decade and then you are getting into some extremely thin crowds. And there is no scoreboard, peoople just come and go. Many leave because they are flat out busted, but others are like me and just move onto to better things. You sure can do a lot in life if you have 100 dimes or more in seed money don't you think? With offshores now you really have no idea, I am sure a large percentage of the guys winning right now are plotting the chance of just continuing to do it, but in another locale. So I don't think anyone could truly guess at it. There just isn't a way to keep score and without that you don't know who is turning a 20 dime bank into 6 figures or conversely who is turning 6 figures into a 20 dime bank.
i have a friend here in vegas that makes a nice living betting sports year round....that's his sole income...his wife is bj dealer at one of the casinos and he makes bets everyday....he tells me he gets alot of info out of the detroit area...but this man is good at it and it's what he enjoys...so what the hell...we've talked alot and he always wants to give me his plays and sometimes i take them and some times i don't...i don't have the bankroll to do his plays justice so why bother him on a daily basis...but the amount of money he wagers...they know him throughout the casino and comps comps and more comps...a while back my wife went to dinner with him and his wife...the bill for the four of us was over 300.00 and they picked up the tab like no ones business...he then gave his wife and mine each 100.00 to go play the slots as he said jeff and i have to go to the sportsbook for a minute...3 afternoon games and he had played 2 of them and they cashed his tickets for a little over 14,000. i was in awe...and he said he was done for the day...when asked he told me over the course of the year he is hitting at or around 59%...saays he makes about ninety thou a year and does what the hell he wants to do...golf swim go to the sportsbooks at three or four different casinos..check lines and gambles...eats like a king at any casino he and his wife choose....while i'm out there humping by butt off to make 60,000 yearly...this guy has the life....thanks for the time jeffksu....
As said above, fewer than in the past, before Offshore's proliferation and many middlers lack for need to be in LV or the middling market's demise from past glory, but still an healthy quota of the elite live there.
Being there helps the elite play into a multitude of banks that are guaranteed(sans a Sport Of Kings,etc..), allow them to move anonymously via runners(their own or mover's armies), allow them easy square-up and collection via movers(which may also be used to fire into NYC, Offshore, & all points in-between), handle beards, runners, & informant affairs up close(ex: payments, collections, daily pocket shakedowns, & balance sheet work), keep accounts fresh stocked and renewed,etc..
The creme de la creme sportsbettors have friendships and connections to sharp info and endless smart marks, so they can earn even outside of areas of expertise year 'round, even when they no longer work daily cards very hard anymore or at all..especially pros that aren't card players or can't afford to play golf or do lunch daily due to the demands of pro sports capping.
The nation's sportsbetting elite were playing LV, NYC, The Seaboard, the Midwest, LA, SF, and towns you'd never think had giant or connected stateside stores, before the first credit shops offshore appeared.
There are about 20 to 50 plus that primarily drive the movement(most are in LV), their orders & unit size can vary greatly(and most BMs know how to guage their plays in relation to linemaking), some are originators in shaping the number(irregardless of the amount dollars played), some are just followers(and can be jerked off greatly for number-building purposes), but even some of the followers' market-savvy, info, and dollar volume still must be respected much of the time.
Just as NYC and Chicago are financial market hubs(stock and gambling), Houston the energy capitol, LV despite Offshore's growth will always remain sportsbetting's intellectual mecca.
Fish, chances are many of the times that you ate at Andre's, Tillerman, Celebrity Deli, Cafe Michelle, Port Of Tack, Pieros, Ruth Chris, Mortons, Yolies,etc..you were in the company of quite a few of this bunch, if only knowing their legwork people by face.
Journey, it's not necessary, but it is still the best place to be if you are gonna make a fulltime go of it, especially if not sitting with the info in an offshore or stateside place of strategical importance..young man go west!
Being there helps the elite play into a multitude of banks that are guaranteed(sans a Sport Of Kings,etc..), allow them to move anonymously via runners(their own or mover's armies), allow them easy square-up and collection via movers(which may also be used to fire into NYC, Offshore, & all points in-between), handle beards, runners, & informant affairs up close(ex: payments, collections, daily pocket shakedowns, & balance sheet work), keep accounts fresh stocked and renewed,etc..
The creme de la creme sportsbettors have friendships and connections to sharp info and endless smart marks, so they can earn even outside of areas of expertise year 'round, even when they no longer work daily cards very hard anymore or at all..especially pros that aren't card players or can't afford to play golf or do lunch daily due to the demands of pro sports capping.
The nation's sportsbetting elite were playing LV, NYC, The Seaboard, the Midwest, LA, SF, and towns you'd never think had giant or connected stateside stores, before the first credit shops offshore appeared.
There are about 20 to 50 plus that primarily drive the movement(most are in LV), their orders & unit size can vary greatly(and most BMs know how to guage their plays in relation to linemaking), some are originators in shaping the number(irregardless of the amount dollars played), some are just followers(and can be jerked off greatly for number-building purposes), but even some of the followers' market-savvy, info, and dollar volume still must be respected much of the time.
Just as NYC and Chicago are financial market hubs(stock and gambling), Houston the energy capitol, LV despite Offshore's growth will always remain sportsbetting's intellectual mecca.
Fish, chances are many of the times that you ate at Andre's, Tillerman, Celebrity Deli, Cafe Michelle, Port Of Tack, Pieros, Ruth Chris, Mortons, Yolies,etc..you were in the company of quite a few of this bunch, if only knowing their legwork people by face.
Journey, it's not necessary, but it is still the best place to be if you are gonna make a fulltime go of it, especially if not sitting with the info in an offshore or stateside place of strategical importance..young man go west!
