How Are They Going To Force Sterling To Sell??

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You said we don't know what is going to happen. If you don't know why would you argue so adamantly about it

I'm not adamant about it.

I'm only saying an owner vote doesn't mean anything. It's only the first step in a long process if Sterling decides to fight it in court.

I think he'd be dumb to do it given his age and the cost but he could fight it. You can fight anything in court and this COULD drag out for years.

That's all I'm saying. This other guy is claiming once the owners vote, that's the end of the situation. That's just not true if Sterling wants to fight it.

And oh by the way, media outlets reported today he is in fact looking for lawyers to help him take this case to court.
 

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Owners of basketball teams don't determine what is willful and what is not if an antitrust case is filed in a court of law.

Antitrust has nothing to do with "willful" actions according to a Constitution.

18(e) of the NBA Constitution -
All actions duly taken by the Board of Governors shall be final, binding and conclusive, as an award in arbitration, and enforceable in a court of competent jurisdiction in accordance with the laws of the State of New York.

There's literally nothing he can do. The courts are not going to intrude on a private business, they are not going force an owner in an Association to remain an owner when he signed an agreement that the other owners can kick him out and their decision is final. There's nothing there man, the NBA Constitution is a beast for the NBA and gives them a lot of power. Lot of the lawyers quoting early on in this case had never seen the NBA Constitution. Now that it has been released, he really has no leg to stand on. His only prayer is if less than 3/4ths of the owners vote him in.
 

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You wouldn't call going back and forth for 8 pages being adamant?

I see your point but if your position is "who the hell knows how it shakes out" Not sure why you would devote 8 pages to that.
 

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Pats, I'm not arguing with this guy like the other posters here. It's just a discussion with me. It's actually not that big of a deal to me.

I am interested in the business law part of this situation though.
 

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You wouldn't call going back and forth for 8 pages being adamant?

I see your point but if your position is "who the hell knows how it shakes out" Not sure why you would devote 8 pages to that.

Most of these pages aren't me. It's not even the point though. Who cares how many pages it is? Why does that matter to you?
 

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Antitrust has nothing to do with "willful" actions according to a Constitution.

18(e) of the NBA Constitution -
All actions duly taken by the Board of Governors shall be final, binding and conclusive, as an award in arbitration, and enforceable in a court of competent jurisdiction in accordance with the laws of the State of New York.

There's literally nothing he can do. The courts are not going to intrude on a private business, they are not going force an owner in an Association to remain an owner when he signed an agreement that the other owners can kick him out and their decision is final. There's nothing there man, the NBA Constitution is a beast for the NBA and gives them a lot of power. Lot of the lawyers quoting early on in this case had never seen the NBA Constitution. Now that it has been released, he really has no leg to stand on. His only prayer is if less than 3/4ths of the owners vote him in.

And many lawyers disagree with what you're saying. We'll see how it plays out.

But, you do make my point for me. His actions were far from willful. I'm sure you'll disagree on this point but that's why we have courts, to determine the meaning of willful in this case.
 

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Most of these pages aren't me. It's not even the point though. Who cares how many pages it is? Why does that matter to you?

Post whatever you want, I don't care. The more posts the better, just saying it seems like your opinion is who the hell knows what is gonna happen....
 

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Post whatever you want, I don't care. The more posts the better, just saying it seems like your opinion is who the hell knows what is gonna happen....

My opinion is this case can and most likely will go to court if Sterling wants to make it happen.

But, who knows what happens then is up in the air.
 

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And many lawyers disagree with what you're saying. We'll see how it plays out.

But, you do make my point for me. His actions were far from willful. I'm sure you'll disagree on this point but that's why we have courts, to determine the meaning of willful in this case.

Not that I have seen, especially since the Constitution has been released. I'm just giving my opinion since this is a forum and we are not all lawyers. Of course it will play out some way or the other. I'm just giving my argument and opinion. If I'm wrong, then I will eat crow, but since that rarely happens, I'm pretty confident in my opinion here. Just based on common sense. Not a lot of common sense believers on this site... a lot more conspiratorial, ignorant, movie watchers that think the entire world is some sort of conspiracy theory. This shit will be easy for the NBA as long as they get the 3/4ths owners vote.
 

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From dictionary.com - Willful

deliberate, voluntary, or intentional: The coroner ruled the death willful murder.
 

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Not that I have seen, especially since the Constitution has been released. I'm just giving my opinion since this is a forum and we are not all lawyers. Of course it will play out some way or the other. I'm just giving my argument and opinion. If I'm wrong, then I will eat crow, but since that rarely happens, I'm pretty confident in my opinion here. Just based on common sense. Not a lot of common sense believers on this site... a lot more conspiratorial, ignorant, movie watchers that think the entire world is some sort of conspiracy theory. This shit will be easy for the NBA as long as they get the 3/4ths owners vote.

Do you tell people in normal day-to-day conversations that you're rarely wrong in life? Just curious.
 

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Do you tell people in normal day-to-day conversations that you're rarely wrong in life? Just curious.

I don't argue with people in my day-to-day life about politics or sports. I'm actually one of the most laid back guys you'll ever meet in person. I find these forums to be an escape from reality, to deal with people that I can't find in real life. Some guys on this site like Acebb, Willie, festeringZit, scottcarter, NFLTrends, Dave, Russ, Gas Man, StevieRay, Loomis, Samhain, etc... I honestly don't know how they can cross the street without a helmet on. They are that dumb.
 

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Yes, I agree with you.

But, his conversation taped in his home without his knowledge was not meant to willfully hurt the NBA.

It doesn't matter. His actions that were willfully done by himself in his private home have adversely affected the NBA. And remember this argument is not a legal argument that is going to be presented to a jury. He has to convince the owners that his actions were not "willfully" done. With his history and the public backlash and the potential of what would happen if the owners didn't force him out. There is no chance the owners will do that. It is a 29-0 vote, Adam Silver gets control of the team, and he is done.
 

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It doesn't matter. His actions that were willfully done by himself in his private home have adversely affected the NBA. And remember this argument is not a legal argument that is going to be presented to a jury. He has to convince the owners that his actions were not "willfully" done. With his history and the public backlash and the potential of what would happen if the owners didn't force him out. There is no chance the owners will do that. It is a 29-0 vote, Adam Silver gets control of the team, and he is done.

AK, what if you were sitting in your home and your wife taped you saying you didn't like your boss. Then, you and your wife are divorcing and she gives him the recording. The boss fires you.

Were your comments made in a willful attempt to hurt your company or your boss in any way?

There's no way on earth a jury would say Sterling's comments were made in a willful manner to hurt the NBA.
 

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AK, what if you were sitting in your home and your wife taped you saying you didn't like your boss. Then, you and your wife are divorcing and she gives him the recording. The boss fires you.

Were your comments made in a willful attempt to hurt your company or your boss in any way?

There's no way on earth a jury would say Sterling's comments were made in a willful manner to hurt the NBA.

A jury will never have to decide that. The owners decision is final and binding and they decide whether he broke their constitution or not. Sterling has no legal recourse here.

And it all depends on your contract. Like the dude said, players are much more protected from their actions than owners. But if you were at an executive level at a company and it was public knowledge you hated your boss they probably would have the legal ability to do something. These are private businesses.
 

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A jury will never have to decide that. The owners decision is final and binding and they decide whether he broke their constitution or not. Sterling has no legal recourse here.

And it all depends on your contract. Like the dude said, players are much more protected from their actions than owners. But if you were at an executive level at a company and it was public knowledge you hated your boss they probably would have the legal ability to do something. These are private businesses.

But you don't know if a jury will ever have to decide this. There are many legal recourses here. That's the entire point.
 

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