Fishhead said:
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=copyBody><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Air Date</TD><TD noWrap>Time (EST) </TD><TD>Event</TD><TD>Location</TD><TD>Event Date</TD></TR><TR><TD>7/19/2005</TD><TD noWrap>8:00 PM</TD><TD>CIRCUIT CHAMPIONSHIP</TD><TD>Rio Las Vegas Hotel & Casino Las Vegas, NV</TD><TD>3/20/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>7/19/2005</TD><TD noWrap>9:00 PM</TD><TD>CIRCUIT CHAMPIONSHIP</TD><TD>Rio Las Vegas Hotel & Casino Las Vegas, NV</TD><TD>3/20/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>7/26/2005</TD><TD noWrap>9:00 PM</TD><TD>CIRCUIT CHAMPIONSHIP</TD><TD>Harrah's Hotel And Casino Atlantic City, NJ</TD><TD>1/16/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>8/2/2005</TD><TD noWrap>9:00 PM</TD><TD>CIRCUIT CHAMPIONSHIP</TD><TD>Harrah's Rincon Casino & Resort San Diego, CA</TD><TD>2/27/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>8/9/2005</TD><TD noWrap>9:00 PM</TD><TD>CIRCUIT CHAMPIONSHIP</TD><TD>Harvey's Lake Tahoe Lake Tahoe, NV</TD><TD>5/8/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>8/16/2005</TD><TD noWrap>9:00 PM</TD><TD>CIRCUIT CHAMPIONSHIP</TD><TD>Harrah's New Orleans New Orleans, LA</TD><TD>5/28/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>8/23/2005</TD><TD noWrap>8:00 PM</TD><TD>NO LIMIT HOLD 'EM ($1,500)</TD><TD>Rio Las Vegas Hotel & Casino Las Vegas, NV</TD><TD>6/4/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>8/23/2005</TD><TD noWrap>9:00 PM</TD><TD>POT LIMIT HOLD 'EM ($1,500)</TD><TD>Rio Las Vegas Hotel & Casino Las Vegas, NV</TD><TD>6/5/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>8/30/2005</TD><TD noWrap>8:00 PM</TD><TD>NO LIMIT HOLD 'EM w/rebuys ($1,000)</TD><TD>Rio Las Vegas Hotel & Casino Las Vegas, NV</TD><TD>6/9/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>8/30/2005</TD><TD noWrap>9:00 PM</TD><TD>NO LIMIT HOLD 'EM ($2,000)</TD><TD>Rio Las Vegas Hotel & Casino Las Vegas, NV</TD><TD>6/11/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>9/6/2005</TD><TD noWrap>8:00 PM</TD><TD>POT LIMIT HOLD 'EM ($2,000)</TD><TD>Rio Las Vegas Hotel & Casino Las Vegas, NV</TD><TD>6/13/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>9/6/2005</TD><TD noWrap>9:00 PM</TD><TD>POT LIMIT OMAHA w/rebuys ($2,000)</TD><TD>Rio Las Vegas Hotel & Casino Las Vegas, NV</TD><TD>6/14/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>9/13/2005</TD><TD noWrap>8:00 PM</TD><TD>NO LIMIT HOLD 'EM ($5,000)</TD><TD>Rio Las Vegas Hotel & Casino Las Vegas, NV</TD><TD>6/15/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>9/13/2005</TD><TD noWrap>9:00 PM</TD><TD>POT LIMIT HOLD 'EM</TD><TD>Rio Las Vegas Hotel & Casino Las Vegas, NV</TD><TD>6/21/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>9/20/2005</TD><TD noWrap>9:00 PM</TD><TD>NO LIMIT HOLD 'EM ($1,500)</TD><TD>Rio Las Vegas Hotel & Casino Las Vegas, NV</TD><TD>6/23/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>9/20/2005</TD><TD noWrap>10:00 PM</TD><TD>SEVEN CARD STUD ($5,000)</TD><TD>Rio Las Vegas Hotel & Casino Las Vegas, NV</TD><TD>6/24/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>9/27/2005</TD><TD noWrap>9:00 PM</TD><TD>NO LIMIT HOLD 'EM ($2,500)</TD><TD>Rio Las Vegas Hotel & Casino Las Vegas, NV</TD><TD>6/25/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>9/27/2005</TD><TD noWrap>10:00 PM</TD><TD>POT LIMIT OMAHA w/rebuys ($5,000)</TD><TD>Rio Las Vegas Hotel & Casino Las Vegas, NV</TD><TD>6/27/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>10/4/2005</TD><TD noWrap>9:00 PM</TD><TD>LIMIT HOLD 'EM ($5,000)</TD><TD>Rio Las Vegas Hotel & Casino Las Vegas, NV</TD><TD>6/28/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>10/4/2005</TD><TD noWrap>10:00 PM</TD><TD>NO LIMIT HOLD 'EM ($2,000)</TD><TD>Rio Las Vegas Hotel & Casino Las Vegas, NV</TD><TD>6/29/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>10/11/2005</TD><TD noWrap>9:00 PM</TD><TD>MAIN EVENT</TD><TD>Rio Las Vegas Hotel & Casino Las Vegas, NV</TD><TD>7/7/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>10/11/2005</TD><TD noWrap>10:00 PM</TD><TD>MAIN EVENT</TD><TD>Rio Las Vegas Hotel & Casino Las Vegas, NV</TD><TD>7/8/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>10/18/2005</TD><TD noWrap>9:00 PM</TD><TD>MAIN EVENT</TD><TD>Rio Las Vegas Hotel & Casino Las Vegas, NV</TD><TD>7/9/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>10/18/2005</TD><TD noWrap>10:00 PM</TD><TD>MAIN EVENT</TD><TD>Rio Las Vegas Hotel & Casino Las Vegas, NV</TD><TD>7/10/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>10/25/2005</TD><TD noWrap>9:00 PM</TD><TD>MAIN EVENT</TD><TD>Rio Las Vegas Hotel & Casino Las Vegas, NV</TD><TD>7/11/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>10/25/2005</TD><TD noWrap>10:00 PM</TD><TD>MAIN EVENT</TD><TD>Rio Las Vegas Hotel & Casino Las Vegas, NV</TD><TD>7/12/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>11/1/2005</TD><TD noWrap>9:00 PM</TD><TD>MAIN EVENT</TD><TD>Rio Las Vegas Hotel & Casino Las Vegas, NV</TD><TD>7/13/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>11/1/2005</TD><TD noWrap>10:00 PM</TD><TD>MAIN EVENT</TD><TD>Rio Las Vegas Hotel & Casino Las Vegas, NV</TD><TD>7/14/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>11/8/2005</TD><TD noWrap>9:00 PM</TD><TD>MAIN EVENT</TD><TD>Rio Las Vegas Hotel & Casino Las Vegas, NV</TD><TD>7/14/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>11/8/2005</TD><TD noWrap>10:00 PM</TD><TD>MAIN EVENT</TD><TD>Rio Las Vegas Hotel & Casino Las Vegas, NV</TD><TD>7/15/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>11/15/2005</TD><TD noWrap>9:00 PM</TD><TD>MAIN EVENT</TD><TD>Rio Las Vegas Hotel & Casino Las Vegas, NV</TD><TD>7/15/2005</TD></TR><TR><TD>11/15/2005</TD><TD noWrap>10:00 PM</TD><TD>MAIN EVENT</TD><TD>Rio Las Vegas Hotel & Casino Las Vegas, NV</TD><TD>7/15/2005</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
choptalk said:
Hopefully
What really stinks is the general viewing public is totally confused by what the WSOP actually is.
The PR on this event needs to be improved 1900% in this regard.
I think if the WPT gets their TEAM LEAGUE going and has the SUPERBOWL of POKER, the public will really grasp this concept. At least I hope that will be the case.
Few things. First off Fossilman has been on the poker tournament circuit for years, he was no Moneymaker. Second, to win a tournament is probably 10% skill, 90% luck. To get to decent money spot is let's say 25% luck. To win money over a year it is 90% skill. There are tons of skills you don't see in the blogs that the best have and guys like Money didn't have. Knowing how to use your stack, knowing when to stay out of a pot, knowing at what points players will loosen up or play tight. These are what generate positive EV for players. The rest is about reading players and getting lucky with the cards. Last thing Mike the Mouth got knocked out yesterday. He looked fairly classy leaving the table, but 15 mins later outside the room he was spewing about how bad some of his still surviving opponets were.
WildBill said:
Yes knowing when to fold pocket aces preflop is key. You don't want to get your chips in with the best hand.
Also, I though Raymer was an internet satellite winner last year on Pokerstars? I don't believe it to be true that he has been on the tourney circuit for years. Correct me if I am wrong.
royalfan said:
After he won a whopping $5 million in prize money in May, one of Raymer's first remarks in a post-tournament press conference was an admission that he is not the world's best poker player. With a mountain of hundred-dollar bills stockpiled on the poker table, belonging to Raymer, it was an odd time for humility. Raymer told reporters that he had a lot more to learn about poker -- a startling admission from a man who had just won the biggest tournament in poker history. Indeed, Raymer's humble outlook, jovial nature, and down-to-earth manner camouflages an intense dedication not only to poker and game strategy, but a commitment to excellence in whatever he wishes to purse.
Raymer, age 39 at the time he won the championship, is the third consecutive world champion to essentially "come from nowhere" to win poker's top prize. He's also the third straight world champion who is married and is a father. Robert Varkonyi (2002), Chris Moneymaker (2003), and Greg Raymer (2004) were all married at the time of the victory. Each winner also has a daughter.
Admittedly a part-time poker player in the decade leading up to his ultimate victory, Raymer's full-time "real" job was a patent attorney for a large pharmaceutical company. He lived in a quiet two-story home in the woods of Southeastern Connecticut, near the Foxwoods Casino. Raymer's passions included his family, fossil collecting - and poker.
Born in North Dakota, Raymer's poker career actually began in college. He started out playing "nickel-dime" poker with fraternity pals. After college and law school, Raymer took up blackjack and card-counting at various Indian-casinos in the Midwest for a spell, before realizing there was a less-risky way to make some extra money. Attorney by day, poker player by night, he played in the local charity games around Chicago, mostly $3-6 Hold'em and Omaha. He later explained, "I bought a bunch of poker books, found RGP (the rec.gambling.poker Internet newsgroup), and went from there, moving up from $3-6 to $20-40 and eventually $150-300 here in Connecticut."
When he moved his family to Connecticut in 1999, Raymer started playing regularly in the weekly No-Limit Hold'em tournament at Foxwoods and began to take tournaments more seriously. He steadily beat cash games - for progressively higher amounts as his poker prowess improved.
But it wasn't until 2000 that Raymer burst upon the poker scene in what was then a small flash. Raymer made the final table at the World Poker Finals, finishing in third place - worth $49,000 in prize money. Despite the impressive finish and nice payout, Raymer was disappointed he did not win the tournament. He later wrote about the experience of being knocked out of a big event: "It felt like the time I got nailed in the stomach playing in a doubles racquetball tournament in high school. At first you think you're okay, and then a couple of seconds later you're doubling over in pain. I guess there's always next year."
"Next year" would actually be four years later for Raymer. He began playing poker regularly online at PokerStars.com, which allowed him to vastly improve his tournament skills, specifically in short-handed and heads-up play. He also continued to discuss poker strategy with friends and colleagues whom he met locally and via the Internet. In the spring of 2004, Raymer won a $160 buy-in satellite shootout at PokerStars.com and earned an entry fee to the World Series of Poker. His life was about to change.
A few months later, Raymer was sitting down at the poker table at Binion's Horseshoe in Las Vegas, playing the biggest tournament of his life amongst the best players in the world. In the end, he defeated 2,575 players, a staggering number of entries which made the 2004 WSOP main event the biggest poker tournament in history.
When asked to explain the reasons for his victory, Raymer cited his ability to control his emotions. He said, "Normally, it would be difficult to play your best for a solid week. However, for some unknown reason, I was very calm and focused all week long, and made very few plays that I thought were mistakes at the time the decision was made. I wish I knew why I kept my mental processes so even, so I could ensure to repeat it every tournament."
In the end, Greg "Fossilman" Raymer became the second consecutive world poker champion through PokerStars.com - thus earning the popular online poker site the tagline, Where Poker Players Become World Champions.
Regarding 'the Mouth' Matusow, I read yesterday that he spent 6 months in a Clark County, Nevada prison this year on drug charges. To me, that goes a long way in explaining his erratic behaviour at last year's WSOP. But he's supposedly clean now. So what excuse is there for his idiotic behaviour this year?
Dont ask me how I confused them, but I was thinking about Layne Flack, not the Mouth. I heard Flack talking it up last night shortly after he got busted.
I used to trade posts with Fossilman at the 2+2 sports forum before I discovered the Rx. He used to tell us he would be gone awhile so he could go to some tourneys. I remember the close call in the big tourney mentioned in the article well,we were all talking about it for days. Not to mention every good player would be saying much of what he did last year. The best know they aren't even close to knowing it all, but solid focused play with the skills they have is all they can ask of themselves.
I used to trade posts with Fossilman at the 2+2 sports forum before I discovered the Rx. He used to tell us he would be gone awhile so he could go to some tourneys. I remember the close call in the big tourney mentioned in the article well,we were all talking about it for days. Not to mention every good player would be saying much of what he did last year. The best know they aren't even close to knowing it all, but solid focused play with the skills they have is all they can ask of themselves.
I've always thought Raymer was a solid player. I think he will finish very high(top 3) if not win the whole thing. Now that he's already made the millions from last year, he will be looking to win the tourney which is the best mentality. Raymer can play some poker, it was evident if you've ever seen his commentaries from last year's WSOP play by play. Even if it came down to him and Phil Ivey heads up, I would give Ivey only a slight edge(even though it may be a disbelief to many).
Racer X said:Luck or skill?
<TABLE class=cpblack cellPadding=5 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=484 bgColor=#eaeaef border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=log width=75>Date / Time:</TD><TD class=log>2005-07-11 23:12:00</TD></TR><TR><TD class=log>Title:</TD><TD class=log>Raymer!</TD></TR><TR><TD class=log vAlign=top>Log:</TD><TD class=log>In the very seat where the last player was eliminated, a player is seated and immediately picks up pocket 10's. This player moves all-in, who is called by none other than Greg Raymer, who has none other than pocket Aces. There is no help for either on the board, and Raymer eliminates yet another player.
</TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle bgColor=#ffffff colSpan=2></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=484 bgColor=#eaeaef border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=log width=75>Date / Time:</TD><TD class=log>2005-07-11 23:07:00</TD></TR><TR><TD class=log vAlign=top>Log:</TD><TD class=log>With theboard showing K-J-5-7, Raymer calls an all-in. His oppoent shows K-5 for two pair, while Raymer shows K-7 for a better two pair. The river is a blank, Raymer eliminates another, and now sits atop a stack of $1,000,500.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=484 bgColor=#eaeaef border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=log width=75>Date / Time:</TD><TD class=log>2005-07-11 23:05:00</TD></TR><TR><TD class=log>Title:</TD><TD class=log>Raymer Going Strong</TD></TR><TR><TD class=log vAlign=top>Log:</TD><TD class=log>Greg Raymer is approaching $1,000,000 as he busts yet another player when his Aces hold up against Kings.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=484 bgColor=#eaeaef border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=log width=75>Date / Time:</TD><TD class=log>2005-07-11 20:04:00</TD></TR><TR><TD class=log>Title:</TD><TD class=log>Raymer Busts Another</TD></TR><TR><TD class=log vAlign=top>Log:</TD><TD class=log>Russell Banes goes all-in preflop with J-J and is called by Greg Raymer, who holds Q-Q. The board comes 10-9-5-K-3. Raymer busts Banes and now has $545,000 in chips.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Who would've played the k-7 from us guys??/? prolly no one....that is 4 hands you have seen from the 1000's he has played during the tournament.....its more then luck with him....he needs chips to play his game and he has them....i look for him at the final table again...
