History is Being Made and This Revolution is Not Getting the Coverage it Merits

[punter]

stronger rhetoric was all I was looking for from Obama.....I'm not sure he can do it though as he wants everyone to be his friend and stop by for tea and cookies

Maybe he can beat his shoe on the table, that is if he can get to the table.

 

[Legend-I-Aint]

What the hell are you talking about. The Economy is doing better than anticipated, Iran has an eternal revolt going after Obama has extended our hand and had is slapped away by their current leadership. Korea is in the hands of a madman. Whats new about that and why didnt Dubya go there instead of Iraq?

you talk out of both sides of your mouth so often it's sad

the economy is doing better than expected? are you smoking the same stuff barman imbibes in?

obama extended a hand? yeah sure, whatever. he gave an empty suit speech with little, and i mean little, substance.

are you in denial? things are in the crapper and it's going to get worse in the next month or so. market is going to test some new lows and unemployment is going to rise a few more ticks.

good news though, every time i turn on my television, which isn't often, i get to see obama and his wife and hear about the great outfits they are wearing and what kind of watermelons they are now growing in the old rose garden.

 

[nimue77]

I think the people of Iran will eventually have a much better life with more freedom. I hope they do it without having their country littered with depleted uranium and having hundreds of thousands of their people killed.

I know we don't always agree. Usually we don't ever agree. Could you please just answer me on my above questions though? I really think the good people of Iraq are eventually going to have a much better life with the possibility of more democracy and freedom.

We obviously disagree about how they've arrived at it.

 

[punter]

you talk out of both sides of your mouth so often it's sad

the economy is doing better than expected? are you smoking the same stuff barman imbibes in?

obama extended a hand? yeah sure, whatever. he gave an empty suit speech with little, and i mean little, substance.

are you in denial? things are in the crapper and it's going to get worse in the next month or so. market is going to test some new lows and unemployment is going to rise a few more ticks.

good news though, every time i turn on my television, which isn't often, i get to see obama and his wife and hear about the great outfits they are wearing and what kind of watermelons they are now growing in the old rose garden.

Yep , had to try and sneak your Obama is a negro in there.

Pisses you off that he is so much smarter than anyone you know I guess.

 

[tiznow]

Good analysis of how this could play out basically down to two scenerio's now

also as far as the people's chances of winning there is plenty of street hardened youth to fight the basij....basically will be urban warfare for a while....the police and rev guard are kinda wishy washy in this whole thing and not gung ho anti-protestor

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3 - Confrontation

The Guardian Council's partial vote recount and investigation into electoral fraud are rejected by the opposition. Demonstrations spread and intensify, with ever greater numbers of Iranians taking to the streets calling for the resignation of Khamenei and Ahmadinejad. Security forces respond with increasing force, arresting thousands and closing down media coverage, texting networks, websites and Twitter. Purge of reformist leaders, intellectuals, students and journalists continues. Leaderless demos gradually peter out, leaving resentment. Ahmadinejad steps up anti-western rhetoric. Resumed protests at a later date considered highly likely.

4 - A second revolution

An insider cabal of senior clerical and establishment conservatives challenges Khamenei and forces his resignation after a vote in the Assembly of Experts. Former president Hashemi Rafsanjani is elected in his stead and orders an investigation into the actions of Ahmadinejad and other senior members of the regime. Hardliners rally round the president while reformists demand new elections. Amid growing instability, Iran's unique Islamic/secular system of governance appears in danger of collapse".

As of Mr. Khameneni's speech today it seems that (1) above is no longer an option. For everything that Mousavi has publically announced option (2) also seems unlikely.

Unfortunately for everything I know, it now seems its either (3) or (4).

By the way, two nights ago I went out to see a few things ... as the general crowds spread into their homes militia style Mousavi supporters were out on the streets 'Basiji hunting'.

Their resolve is no less than these thugs -- they after hunting them down. They use their phones, their childhood friends, their intimate knowledge of their districts and neighbours to plan their attacks -- they're organised and they're supported by their community so they have little fear. They create the havoc they're after, ambush the thugs, use their Cocktail Molotovs, disperse and re-assemble elsewhere and then start again - and the door of every house is open to them as safe harbour -- they're community-connected.

The Basiji's are not.

These are not the students in the dorms, they're the street young -- they know the ways better than most thugs - and these young, a surprising number of them girls, are becoming more agile in their ways as each night passes on.

Also, with $10K every local police station lock can be broken and guns taken out...the police too are crowd friendly...for sure put a gun in their hands and these young become a serious counter-balance to the Basij...call them 10% of 18-22 year olds - that makes circa 10 million around the country versus max 4 million Basijis.

For all I've seen, discussed and observed on the ground I wouldn't dismiss option (4) too easily.

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video of a basij HQ blowing up

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[nimue77]

Basij hunting! I like it.

People should not fear their government;
the government should fear its people.

 

[tiznow]

more videos of the freedom fighters winning and basij losing

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June 20th, 2009 - Protesters use vehicles to barricade themselves in a standoff against police.

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[Mistermj]

you talk out of both sides of your mouth so often it's sad

the economy is doing better than expected? are you smoking the same stuff barman imbibes in?

obama extended a hand? yeah sure, whatever. he gave an empty suit speech with little, and i mean little, substance.

are you in denial? things are in the crapper and it's going to get worse in the next month or so. market is going to test some new lows and unemployment is going to rise a few more ticks.

good news though, every time i turn on my television, which isn't often, i get to see obama and his wife and hear about the great outfits they are wearing and what kind of watermelons they are now growing in the old rose garden.

LOL...great post.

 

[tiznow]

sifting through some of the farsi based youtube's alot of shit there

here's a bunch of youth outside what's likely to be some basij hangout....at the end few of the youth get popped

fearless bunch....chucking rocks at a dude on the roof with a gun....

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more youth outside a basij hangout with eventual shooting man huge mass of people

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more stuff

warning all these have violence some blood but nothing nearly as bad as that DEAC one

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[tiznow]

another casualty caught on video

pretty graphic

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same casualty different camera man

i like how a dude dressed up in a suit and tie walks by casually holding up the V to the camera just surreal

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[DeathEatsaCracker]

I wish all of you on the Right would stop pretending like there is anything Obama could do that you wouldn't find fault with.

70% of Iran's population is under the age of 30. They will get there on their own, just maybe not as quickly as we want.

 

[Willie99]

I wish all of you on the Right would stop pretending like there is anything Obama could do that you wouldn't find fault with.

70% of Iran's population is under the age of 30. They will get there on their own, just maybe not as quickly as we want.

Actually DEAC, with respect to this issue, the only thing I have a problem with is doing absolutely nothing. Although it's possible something is happening behind the scenes.

With respect to domestic issues, being from the school that the federal government is one big cluster fuck, I want him to do a lot less.

I'm very consistent it my beliefs and value system.

PS: I hope for their sake and for real peace in that region and throughout the world that you're correct. Nobody can pretend that Iran is not governed by an evil regime.

 

[rolltide]

All the economist that I have read say that the only way to overcome the near bottomless pit that your guy put us in is to pump enough money into the economy to revive it.



A big problem with with you so called conservatives is that you have no problem with money sent overseas but squeal like little pigs about any spent at home. Well that money spent at home gets re spent here many times over where that spent overseas is fucking gone. hell, it's not even in our best interest

again you show you know absolutely nothing. most true conservatives, and I don't mean the GOP, do NOT advocate tampering overseas with every little issue. While we don't go so far as to say that building a giant wall around our perimeter is necessary, we certainly feel that it's not our god-given right to police the world

as far as your knowledge of economics, well, I'd ask that you read and/or listen to someone that is not a keynesian.

the "my guy" comment is simply absurd but since you're an old, angry, moronic penis I'll just take it for what it's worth...nothing

 

[rolltide]

I wish all of you on the Right would stop pretending like there is anything Obama could do that you wouldn't find fault with.

here we go with the Left v Right shit again. I've already stated I'm in absolute agreement with Obama's position on Iran which clearly and quickly dispels your theory that righties oppose Obama on any issue.

Do I oppose every attempt he is making to grow government, hand over our future to international banking elite, and pour lighter fluid on hyperinflation? of course i do.

But letting Iran figure out their own problems is the absolute correct course of action

but nice try anyway

 

[rolltide]

What the hell are you talking about. The Economy is doing better than anticipated

wow, would love to hear the full explanation to back up this idiotic statement

then again, coming from you, i know it will be something about bush or halliburton so I'll just let you live in your BHO wet dream world

 

[tiznow]

Actually DEAC, with respect to this issue, the only thing I have a problem with is doing absolutely nothing. Although it's possible something is happening behind the scenes.

With respect to domestic issues, being from the school that the federal government is one big cluster fuck, I want him to do a lot less.

I'm very consistent it my beliefs and value system.

PS: I hope for their sake and for real peace in that region and throughout the world that you're correct. Nobody can pretend that Iran is not governed by an evil regime.

there is plenty going on "behind the scenes" many people around the world are finding ways to help the iranian peoples voices be heard through the power of the internet and doing what they can to help via that venue

many people worldwide are holding rallies in support of the iranian people

your always quick to point out the POTUS and government doesn't and shouldn't control the economy and issues such as that (which is 100% spot on....in general he can only make matters worse) but why with you neocons does the POTUS and government in general have to micromanage every fucking event worldwide doesn't make any fuckin sense

the neocons and fear mongering fox news have just screwed u conservatives up in the head...historically the conservatives are the "anti war" (i put in quotations since that term so fucking overused...just cause you think war should be sparingly and only as the very last resort) party.....historically the conservative position is the ron paul position....handle our own fucking business....and lead by example not force or intervention

 

[tiznow]

figured i'd toss in a little humor to this whole situation....thought this was really funny

Ayatollah Warns Iranians: ‘I am Following You All on Twitter'

Aims to Stifle Opposition Tweets

In a nationally televised speech in Iran today, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei ordered his countrymen not to stage further protests, warning the nation, "I am following you all on Twitter."

To back up his words, the Supreme Leader then displayed his Twitter account page, showing that he was indeed following 65,875,224 people, but had only one follower, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

The Ayatollah's announcement sent a chill up the spines of opposition leaders, most of whom assumed that the Supreme Leader did not have a Twitter account.

"You mean he's been reading all my tweets?" said opposition organizer Mohsen Sobhi. "Oh, shit."

 

[PatPatriot]

This is Obamas Bay of Pigs.

He could have a speech in strong terms about free speech,the right to choose your own goverment,the right to protest,womans rights free speech etc.etc..he could quote the Quran and the Bible.In some flowery wordy condemnation speech....you know the same type of rhetoric when it comes to takeovers and confiscating wages.

Obama = Caspar Milquetoast

 

[tiznow]

the good ol "terrorist" card

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Another shift in state TV: calling protesters terrorists. From a great contact in Iran:

State TV just claimed 10 dead 100 injured. They also called the people in the streets terrorists and repeatedly show a mosque that was set on fire...we're watching it now my cousin says that they turn all the word's of obama around and lie about everything to witch my grandfather replies in that in Islam it is permissible to lie in a state of war. They are now show footage of the riots and people that are saying rioters destroyed their livings...I want to reiterate that for 3 or 4 hours I walked through street fighting, I didn't see one broken store window or one car damaged. However I have a feeling the followers of Ahmadinejad will believe the lies said by Seda va Sima. I don't know what to think anymore and I wish I had never watched the video of Neda.

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for all the rage fans out there

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[Dave007inVegas]

What the hell are you talking about. The Economy is doing better than anticipated, Iran has an eternal revolt going after Obama has extended our hand and had is slapped away by their current leadership. Korea is in the hands of a madman. Whats new about that and why didnt Dubya go there instead of Iraq?

:monsters-