Here's the problem with it Vit, besides it being Unconstitutional, and going against America's celebration of religious freedom. It sends the wrong message, that America is at War with The entire Muslim Religion, EXACTLY the message these sick terrorists want to send to normal Muslims. We cannot fall down that rathole and give them what they want, and what sick insane People like Casper, Zit, etc want.
Trump's twitter account is in overdrive........a few classics....
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 12h12 hours ago
Hillary Clinton does not have the STRENGTH or STAMINA to be President. We need strong and super smart for our next leader - or trouble!
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 12h12 hours ago
The last person corrupt Hillary Clinton wants to run against is Donald J. Trump. I'll end up beating her in every state. New Fox Poll-Trump!
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 11h11 hours ago
I told you @TIME Magazine would never pick me as person of the year despite being the big favorite They picked person who is ruining Germany
......hahahahaha..........unreal
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 12h12 hours ago
Hillary Clinton does not have the STRENGTH or STAMINA to be President. We need strong and super smart for our next leader - or trouble!
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 12h12 hours ago
The last person corrupt Hillary Clinton wants to run against is Donald J. Trump. I'll end up beating her in every state. New Fox Poll-Trump!
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 11h11 hours ago
I told you @TIME Magazine would never pick me as person of the year despite being the big favorite They picked person who is ruining Germany
......hahahahaha..........unreal
I hear that......admittedly I don't know a lot about this but I would hope the vetting process is very difficult. I would make the burden of proof on the person entering the United States to show he is not a radical extremists......and if he or she can't , I think we have to deny access. I'm sure I need to be more informed on the issue but if my opinion is the same as the cult here.....obviously I don't have enough info.
What's the matter, cocksucker? Nothing to say since I showed a spokesman for Herr Frump saying his ban included American Muslims, as well? You got bitch slapped and had a stogie put out in your food, and you just slunk away like the bitch that you are, huh? Hey, make sure you're at Frump's next rally to triple the attendance figures, douchebag...
Harvard professor Laurence Tribe explains what Trump gets wrong
The Constitution does NOT apply to anyone outside the jurisdiction of the United States. Are illegals allowed to vote? Oh, wait...
UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!
CELEBRATING RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!!
NAZIS!!
FASCISTS!!
Just...stop. face)(*^%
12/08/15 06:16 PM—UPDATED 12/08/15 10:36 PM
By Ari Melber
Since Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump called Monday for a “complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States,” he has been met with widespread criticism from politicians, policymakers and experts. Rivals slammed the discriminatory proposal as “reprehensible,” “unhinged,” and even “fascist” — while legal scholars noted it is almost certainly unconstitutional.
While a blanket plan for religious discrimination violates several general provisions of the U.S. Constitution, Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe stresses that Trump’s attempts to justify his plan’s legality Monday actually further revealed its shortcomings. The legal scholar had the following exchange with MSNBC chief legal correspondent Ari Melber.
Ari Melber: Is it possible that Trump’s call to ban Muslims from entering the U.S. would face less judicial scrutiny if it applied only to foreigners and not American citizens?
Laurence H. Tribe: If Trump argues that the First and Fifth Amendments apply only to U.S. citizens, and not to foreigners, then he is just wrong about American law.
Photo by Randall Hill/Reuters
It is true there are some court decisions ruling that a few parts of the Constitution do not apply to people who are not U.S. citizens and who are abroad, such as protections against unreasonable searches that would otherwise be illegal if conducted on Americans in the U.S. But those precedents have nothing to do with the Constitution’s limits on government in this area — there is no such limit on the First Amendment’s bar against declaring an official religion, or such a limit on the Fifth Amendment’s protection of due process. Under Supreme Court precedent, that protection applies to U.S. conduct impacting any “person” — American citizen or not, wherever located.The Constitution’s First Amendment has long been interpreted as a flat prohibition on actions that the U.S. government may take, including those actions that respect “an establishment of religion” or prohibit “the free exercise thereof.” Targeting groups of persons, including non-U.S.-citizens, seeking to enter the U.S. based on religion — whether as Muslims, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, or Hindus — would violate the First Amendment. Back in the late 19th century, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the imposition of a receivership on a Mormon Church on the basis that Mormonism was not genuine Christianity, but everyone agrees that nothing of that sort would be thinkable today and that the Religion Clauses reach to every imaginable religious group.
Trump is also invoking President Franklin Roosevelt to support his position — is that legally relevant to his proposal for religious discrimination?
Today Trump cited several FDR’s proclamations (EO 2525s, 2526, and 2527) on “Morning Joe,” those were based on the infamous Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798, now widely regarded as of dubious constitutionality at best.
In the Supreme Court’s major First Amendment ruling in NYT v. Sullivan, the Court noted those now ancient laws, purporting to criminalize “seditious” speech, have basically been found unconstitutional in the court of history. In any event, the FDR proclamations were not even about religion — they were to limited to German, Italian, and Japanese nationals in direct response to those countries’ war against the U.S.
Many people are asking Trump to explain how his discrimination plan would work, or if he cares whether it is constitutional. What would you ask him?
I’d ask Trump whether he really means to treat all Muslims, regardless of their citizenship as Turks or Indonesians or whatever — except perhaps U.S. citizens returning home from their military service or travel — as nationals of the Islamic Caliphate, the amorphous and self-declared “government” with which we are arguably at war, even without a declaration by Congress, let alone UN recognition of the Caliphate as a nation. In other words, I’d ask Trump whether he really wants to accord that kind of significance and national recognition, of all things, to the territory in Syria or Iraq ruled by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi’s bloody sword.
If he does not, then he certainly cannot seriously invoke FDR’s actions, directed against citizens of the Axis Nations, as justifications for how he wants to treat Muslims, regardless of their nationality. In other words, the few references he has made to historical or legal support for his statements do not really add up.
This exchange has been edited for clarity and length.
"Targeting groups of persons, including non-U.S.-citizens, seeking to enter the U.S. based on religion — whether as Muslims, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, or Hindus — would violate the First Amendment."
:hahahahah
Islam is not a religion.
The rising caliphate in the middle east is not a religion.
Sharia law is not a religion. (note the second word: L-A-W)
9/11, London subway bombings, Paris massacre, female genital mutilations, stoning homosexuals...not religion.
Islam is a bloody totalitarian, intolerant. subjugating ideology no different than Nazism and must be defeated the same way.
Religion has three major components: faith, prayer and worship.
None of the modern tenets and ACTIONS of Islam remotely qualify as a 'religion'
Do I feel like getting tangled up in the legalese, battling these definitions out in the courts for years with radical left wing judges and lawyers?
Nope.
I'll just vote for Trump, a successful executive who knows how to make decisions, and sleep peacefully knowing he's being hired to do the right thing.
:hahahahah
Islam is not a religion.
The rising caliphate in the middle east is not a religion.
Sharia law is not a religion. (note the second word: L-A-W)
9/11, London subway bombings, Paris massacre, female genital mutilations, stoning homosexuals...not religion.
Islam is a bloody totalitarian, intolerant. subjugating ideology no different than Nazism and must be defeated the same way.
Religion has three major components: faith, prayer and worship.
None of the modern tenets and ACTIONS of Islam remotely qualify as a 'religion'
Do I feel like getting tangled up in the legalese, battling these definitions out in the courts for years with radical left wing judges and lawyers?
Nope.
I'll just vote for Trump, a successful executive who knows how to make decisions, and sleep peacefully knowing he's being hired to do the right thing.
Translation: I was kicked in the balls-again-have absolutely NO comeback whatsoever, so, I'll pretend I didn't understand. You're a brain dead foreigner who doesn't know shit about about American politics-or anything else, for that matter-and why you're popping a chubby for that facist prick when you can't even vote makes you look even dumber than you already look, Schmuck. I'll bet you don't "understand" posts # 728 and # 758 either, do you, Numbnuts?
