Yes, we can do that. And move on. Now is where it gets tricky. Because you just contradicted yourself. Actually twice. First it seems you want to fight the war vs extremism using words only. Not armies. Not drones. And you say the majority of Muslims are not extremists. But then you say Trumps views are a recruiting tool for ISIS. And with that statement you're saying mainstream Muslims can be swayed into becoming terrorists by words....... Hey, I'm not poking fun of you. I consider myself in these forum to be among the most informed when it comes to islamic radicalism and the WOT. And even I no longer have any idea what % of Muslims are radical. But if words are the power you want to see win this fight than you will require a large number of Muslims to step forward and loudly proclaim why both Trump, and ISIS are racist. And wrong. For starters....
Make no mistake fellow posters. We will win the war against Muslim fundamentalism. We will defeat violent jihad. The only question is, how many innocent people will they kill before we do it? And how many innocent people will we have to kill in the course of doing it? If moderate Islam exists in large numbers and rises up with us, the death toll will be lower. If moderate Islam either does not exist, or fails to fight alongside us the death toll will be much higher. But we will prevail. Regardless of how much power and death it will take to do it, we will prevail.
Decent article for any one who is interested in the Trump-Hitler debate.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/noah-baron/donald-trump-isnt-hitler_b_8751676.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/noah-baron/donald-trump-isnt-hitler_b_8751676.html
[h=1]Huge numbers of Muslims are turning to ISIS because they want SEX, claims former Islamist, who says many resent the freedoms Western youths have[/h]
A former Islamist said he believes young British Muslim men are joining ISIS because they want sex.
Alyas Karmani said teenagers are at risk of being radicalised by terrorist groups because they feel isolated in 'sexualised' British society, and resent not having the same freedoms of Western youths to have girlfriends and intimate relationships.
The Bradford preacher now tours the country reaching out to young British Muslims to stop them turning to ISIS, after he was radicalised as a young man.
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Alyas Karmani speaking on ITV about why young British Muslims are tempted to join ISIS. He said young men are drawn to the organisation because they feel alienated and excluded from 'sexualised' British life
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In a sexualised culture like Britain, Karmani said British Muslims often feel like outsiders when their communities' conservative values don't allow them to discuss sex which leads to 'a real sense of hate'
In 'Exposure - Jihad - A British Story', which aired on ITV on Monday night, he said young people struggle to turn to their families to talk about their sexual urges in typically conservative Muslim communities.
He said: 'This is all about sex... These guys just want girls. That's it.
'[My wife] said you can't say that because you'll get really lambasted for it, but guys do things for girls - and that's it.
'I'm there with my gun - which is more or less a penis extension... it is out there, 'look at me, I got my gear on' [sic]
'Because if you grow up and you are brought up with this value that you cannot have sex before marriage, that you cannot have a girlfriend, that you cannot be in anyway... this is something that is very big haram (sinful), a very big prohibition for an individual and you are growing up in a sexualised society, there’s a real sense of hate that you have that ‘I can’t do this’.'
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Dewsbury teenager Talha Asmal is just one of hundreds of British Muslims who were radicalised and decided to join ISIS. He became Britain's youngest suicide bomber after setting off an explosive in Iraq, aged 17
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Mr Karmani added that as he tours Britain to meet young Muslims and their families, he urges parents to tell their children they love and are proud of their kids, so they are less vulnerable to groups like ISIS
‘And that’s why I find greater sexual dysfunction sometimes in Muslim communities as a result of that.'
Mr Karmani added that as he tours Britain to meet young Muslims and their families, he urges parents to tell their children they love and are proud of their kids, to make sure they don't feel isolated.
The documentary interviewed a number of former extremists to explore the root causes and attractions among young people for waging jihad.
It comes after Talha Asmal, 17, became Britain's youngest ever suicide bomber after he set off an explosive in device in Iraq.
His family said he was groomed online and he was the victim of peer pressure.
- Guns are 'more or less a penis extension' for isolated men, said Imam
- Alyas Karmani said he believes: 'These guys just want girls. That's it.'
- Not giving young Muslims the chance to talk about sex leads to hate
- Made comments during an ITV documentary about radicalisation
A former Islamist said he believes young British Muslim men are joining ISIS because they want sex.
Alyas Karmani said teenagers are at risk of being radicalised by terrorist groups because they feel isolated in 'sexualised' British society, and resent not having the same freedoms of Western youths to have girlfriends and intimate relationships.
The Bradford preacher now tours the country reaching out to young British Muslims to stop them turning to ISIS, after he was radicalised as a young man.
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Alyas Karmani speaking on ITV about why young British Muslims are tempted to join ISIS. He said young men are drawn to the organisation because they feel alienated and excluded from 'sexualised' British life
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In a sexualised culture like Britain, Karmani said British Muslims often feel like outsiders when their communities' conservative values don't allow them to discuss sex which leads to 'a real sense of hate'
In 'Exposure - Jihad - A British Story', which aired on ITV on Monday night, he said young people struggle to turn to their families to talk about their sexual urges in typically conservative Muslim communities.
He said: 'This is all about sex... These guys just want girls. That's it.
'[My wife] said you can't say that because you'll get really lambasted for it, but guys do things for girls - and that's it.
'I'm there with my gun - which is more or less a penis extension... it is out there, 'look at me, I got my gear on' [sic]
'Because if you grow up and you are brought up with this value that you cannot have sex before marriage, that you cannot have a girlfriend, that you cannot be in anyway... this is something that is very big haram (sinful), a very big prohibition for an individual and you are growing up in a sexualised society, there’s a real sense of hate that you have that ‘I can’t do this’.'
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Dewsbury teenager Talha Asmal is just one of hundreds of British Muslims who were radicalised and decided to join ISIS. He became Britain's youngest suicide bomber after setting off an explosive in Iraq, aged 17
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Mr Karmani added that as he tours Britain to meet young Muslims and their families, he urges parents to tell their children they love and are proud of their kids, so they are less vulnerable to groups like ISIS
‘And that’s why I find greater sexual dysfunction sometimes in Muslim communities as a result of that.'
Mr Karmani added that as he tours Britain to meet young Muslims and their families, he urges parents to tell their children they love and are proud of their kids, to make sure they don't feel isolated.
The documentary interviewed a number of former extremists to explore the root causes and attractions among young people for waging jihad.
It comes after Talha Asmal, 17, became Britain's youngest ever suicide bomber after he set off an explosive in device in Iraq.
His family said he was groomed online and he was the victim of peer pressure.
I am saying the weak minded can be swayed, and unfortunately there are alot of weak minded individuals of all persuasions, Muslims included. How else does a sick organization like ISIS recruit? By getting the weak minded to believe what they say. How did Hitler get Democratically elected? By getting the weak minded to believe in the anti Semitic, sick, Nationalistic, Xenophobic Message he was selling.
The world WILL defeat them, we will defeat them, by sticking to our American Values. When we become them, use their tactics, they have defeated us.
It will take Muslims as the face to defeat them, not American, or Russian, or British, or French Bombs. Muslim armies fighting them, Muslim words repudiating them. A sick crazy American running for POTUS and garnering large support with his Anti Muslim Rhetoric does nothing but damage that.
Why do young women want to join Islamic State?
Reasons
Identity.
Faith.
Curiosity.
Freedom.
Identity
All the ex-radicals point to identity as a huge issue. “Many young British Muslims are confused about where we fit in the world,” said Maher. “Isis offers an identity that transcends culture. It says: ‘Here’s an intellectual identity - you’re Muslim.’” He said Isis knows exactly what it stands for and is confident urging others to become better Muslims and to join it.
Women can find the issue of identity particularly difficult .“What does it mean to be British, Muslim, Somali, Ethiopian?” asked Smith.
Karmani said that while we may see Isis as evil, some Muslims see it as the caliphate. “They no longer have to wrestle with are you this, are you that – you’re a Muslim.”
Faith
But women are also incredibly ideological according to Maher. “A lot of the guys are idiots – they’re attracted to the macho side of it - whereas women tend to have given it much more sober thought and made a very conscious choice.”
The girls Salma is in touch with are all A-grade students. “They have that activist mentality that’s you’re supposed to have at university,” she said. “These girls have it already at GCSE level. They want a cause.”
Questioned how these girls could stand by as Yazidi girls are being tortured and killed, Salma says: “If you have conviction you’re doing it for the sake of God, you can do anything. They say it’ll be hard to leave your mum, but you’re doing it for Allah. Extremists make everything very black and white.”
Karmani said converts to Islam were particularly vulnerable as they wanted to do everything right, to be the best Muslim they could.
Curiosity
Salma has talked to friends of the Bethnal Green girls who say their peers were simply curious. “The media are going on about Isis all the time, but they don’t know what’s going on. That feeds the curiosity: so people look on social media and Isis are waiting, fishing for curious girls.”
For other girls, the allure may be the desire to find a Muslim husband. “Some fall into the category of jihadi brides - they have been lured in by attractive men,” said Salma. The panel also mentioned the draw of the sisterhood - which was a big draw for many young Muslims feeling isolated in the UK.
Salma told of one girl who made the trip. “Her mum said she’s 13 – how did she get on a plane? She’s scared of going upstairs.” A lot of it has to do with the virtual friendships that are struck up: the girl felt she had an imaginary friend there the whole way, telling her what bar to go to, what to order, what gate to board at, what plane to catch. They feel hypnotised in the way Isis manages them.
Freedom
Karmani said many young Muslims believe they have less freedom in the UK than they would have in Syria. He said the three women from Bradford who travelled to Syria with their children were British born, very articulate and educated, yet came from a austere, socially conservative families and were kept indoors. He talked to people on the street who said they never saw the girls out and about.
“Then they were married to men from Pakistan, from the clan no doubt, without much of a choice I would say. It’s bizarre that in parts of Britain we have situations like this where young people have even less freedom and are constrained – that Isis somehow stands for empowerment, freedom and liberation.
“They see that as a better place to bring their children up - better than where I live in that particular part of Bradford, where there are high crime rates, lots of drug dealers and three generations of worklessness. They saw bringing up their children in Islamic State as much more progressive and empowering than the reality in the UK.”
These feelings resonated strongly with Salma, who said she used to call herself a fish out of water. “With the convictions I had I felt I couldn’t live in this country any more,” she said. “I remember writing: ‘I feel jealous that I can’t take my children to the local school because its not Islamic.’ I felt suffocated.”
There’s an army of young women online who will say whatever it takes to get young people over to join Isis, said Salma: “They say: ‘We’ve got Kalishnikovs, if that floats your boat, we’ve got hospitals, we’ve got restaurants. Whatever tickles your fancy - we’ve got it.’ It’s sometimes that basic.”
Reasons
Identity.
Faith.
Curiosity.
Freedom.
Identity
All the ex-radicals point to identity as a huge issue. “Many young British Muslims are confused about where we fit in the world,” said Maher. “Isis offers an identity that transcends culture. It says: ‘Here’s an intellectual identity - you’re Muslim.’” He said Isis knows exactly what it stands for and is confident urging others to become better Muslims and to join it.
Women can find the issue of identity particularly difficult .“What does it mean to be British, Muslim, Somali, Ethiopian?” asked Smith.
Karmani said that while we may see Isis as evil, some Muslims see it as the caliphate. “They no longer have to wrestle with are you this, are you that – you’re a Muslim.”
Faith
But women are also incredibly ideological according to Maher. “A lot of the guys are idiots – they’re attracted to the macho side of it - whereas women tend to have given it much more sober thought and made a very conscious choice.”
The girls Salma is in touch with are all A-grade students. “They have that activist mentality that’s you’re supposed to have at university,” she said. “These girls have it already at GCSE level. They want a cause.”
Questioned how these girls could stand by as Yazidi girls are being tortured and killed, Salma says: “If you have conviction you’re doing it for the sake of God, you can do anything. They say it’ll be hard to leave your mum, but you’re doing it for Allah. Extremists make everything very black and white.”
Karmani said converts to Islam were particularly vulnerable as they wanted to do everything right, to be the best Muslim they could.
Curiosity
Salma has talked to friends of the Bethnal Green girls who say their peers were simply curious. “The media are going on about Isis all the time, but they don’t know what’s going on. That feeds the curiosity: so people look on social media and Isis are waiting, fishing for curious girls.”
For other girls, the allure may be the desire to find a Muslim husband. “Some fall into the category of jihadi brides - they have been lured in by attractive men,” said Salma. The panel also mentioned the draw of the sisterhood - which was a big draw for many young Muslims feeling isolated in the UK.
Salma told of one girl who made the trip. “Her mum said she’s 13 – how did she get on a plane? She’s scared of going upstairs.” A lot of it has to do with the virtual friendships that are struck up: the girl felt she had an imaginary friend there the whole way, telling her what bar to go to, what to order, what gate to board at, what plane to catch. They feel hypnotised in the way Isis manages them.
Freedom
Karmani said many young Muslims believe they have less freedom in the UK than they would have in Syria. He said the three women from Bradford who travelled to Syria with their children were British born, very articulate and educated, yet came from a austere, socially conservative families and were kept indoors. He talked to people on the street who said they never saw the girls out and about.
“Then they were married to men from Pakistan, from the clan no doubt, without much of a choice I would say. It’s bizarre that in parts of Britain we have situations like this where young people have even less freedom and are constrained – that Isis somehow stands for empowerment, freedom and liberation.
“They see that as a better place to bring their children up - better than where I live in that particular part of Bradford, where there are high crime rates, lots of drug dealers and three generations of worklessness. They saw bringing up their children in Islamic State as much more progressive and empowering than the reality in the UK.”
These feelings resonated strongly with Salma, who said she used to call herself a fish out of water. “With the convictions I had I felt I couldn’t live in this country any more,” she said. “I remember writing: ‘I feel jealous that I can’t take my children to the local school because its not Islamic.’ I felt suffocated.”
There’s an army of young women online who will say whatever it takes to get young people over to join Isis, said Salma: “They say: ‘We’ve got Kalishnikovs, if that floats your boat, we’ve got hospitals, we’ve got restaurants. Whatever tickles your fancy - we’ve got it.’ It’s sometimes that basic.”
He did not get elected democratically. Sorry to disappoint you.
Reasons why Hitler rose to power
- Hitler was a great speaker, with the power to make people support him.
- The moderate political parties would not work together, although together they had more support than the Nazis.
- The depression of 1929 created poverty and unemployment, which made people angry with the Weimar government. People lost confidence in the democratic system and turned towards the extremist political parties such as the Communists and Nazis during the depression.
- The Nazi storm troopers attacked Hitler's opponents.
- Goebbels' propaganda campaign was very effective and it won support for the Nazis. The Nazis targeted specific groups of society with different slogans and policies to win their support.
- Hitler was given power in a seedy political deal by Hindenburg and Papen who foolishly thought they could control him.
- German people were still angry about the Treaty of Versailles and supported Hitler because he promised to overturn it.
- Industrialists gave Hitler money and support.
- The government was in chaos. President Hindenburg dismissed Brüning in 1932. His replacement - Papen - lasted six months, and the next chancellor - Schleicher - only lasted two months. Hindenburg had to use Article 48 to pass almost every law.
- Hitler handed power on a plate
In January 1933, Hindenburg and Papen came up with a plan to get the Nazis on their side by offering to make Hitler vice chancellor. He refused and demanded to be made chancellor. They agreed, thinking they could control him.
In January 1933, Hitler became chancellor, and immediately set about making himself absolute ruler of Germany using Article 48
Not with the wingnuts he's already attracting. But with normal, sane people, of course it hurts him. http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-donald-trump-muslim-plan-2015-12
An even larger number of Democrats and 50% of all likely general-election voters said they opposed the plan, compared to 37% who were in favor:
Trump ignited a national firestorm on Monday when he unveiled his plan for a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out" how the "hatred" within the religion connected to terrorism.
He presented the proposal in the aftermath of last month's massacre in Paris and last week's mass shooting in San Bernardino, California. Both attacks were linked to the Islamic State group, also known as ISIS. Trump's campaign said the temporary ban would apply to Muslim immigrants and even tourists.
All of Trump's rivals in the Republican presidential primary said that they disagreed with the proposal, with some of them sharply condemning it as illegal, counterproductive in the fight against the Islamic State, or against American values.
Trump is brilliant, he's winning and you can't deal with that. (Trumps a Nazi, what's next?)
Obama sat in a church for 20 years listening to the the anti-american hatred spewed by Reverent Wright
and started his campaign in the living room of a convicted terrorist Bill Ayers. Bush started a couple wars
costing thousands of lives and trillions of dollars. You compare that to a successful billionaire who created
thousands of jobs, the only candidate self-funding his campaign, won't need to spend a huge chunk of his
time in office fundraising and pandering to those who bought him, who isn't afraid to tackle the issues
politicians seem to kick down the road year after year?
