You guys are confusing things, I think Chop is saying someone who had a HOF resume but hung around too long and hurt his chances. Giambi may have been building a HOF resume, but he never had one. Sosa and McGwire (and Palmeiro) didn't hurt their chances by continuing to play, the roids is what may kill them. I suppose one could argue that had Palmeiro retired a year sooner he never would have tested positive and thus been elected, but again, I don't think that is the intent.
Exactly.
You can have a player like Biggio who was nothing special the last 2 or 3 seasons hang around and it builds there resume. Biggio made up for his lacking numbers by hitting a big milestone, 3000 hits.
Murphy and Gossage did not hit a single milestone there last 4 seasons. Goose had 13 combined saves in his last 4 seasons. Murphy had a combined 42 homers in his last 4 seasons.
Insteed of Murphy having a great short career, he ended up having a good long career on paper.
Hitting 398 homers in 17 seasons is not nearly has impressive is if he would have hit 350 homers in 12 years.
If he would have shut it down with 350 homers in 12 years with 2 MVPs and 6 gold gloves and about a 20 point higher career batting average, I believe he would have made it.
The 42 extra homers did not help him with his 5 extra seasons.
Though still a future HOF'er..Ken Griffey's health, seemingly lax conditioning and training, also dare imply possible indifference(for the noble and understood family focus angle?), have lowered what was in his early years a cinch Top 5 Alltime MLBer, into just another Top 50 MLBer..imho.
Griffey is in easily even if he retired tomorrow.
Andrew Dawson is NOT of a HOF'r IMO. His avg and OBP were not good. Basically had one very good season for a terrible team and otherwise was never that special. He doesn't belong.
However, Ron Santo still does belong. One of the best 3B of his era.
I personally believe that is a benchmark. You ought to be one of the top 3 or 4 players at your position during your career span. Maybe a little less for OF and Pitchers.
There will BE no 500 dingers and 14 GG for Jones, and Murphy would NOT have gotten in had he quit 5 years before he did: 350 homers playing in a launching pad ain't all that great, maybe he's bitter since he realizes he's not getting in, which might account for him running his yap lately.
soriano had like 3-4 good years not even great(maybe his 40/40 year for the nats but he would of need his whole contract for the cubs to be near that. Ive got to believe hes not what his age says for someone to completely break down and bust like this with his talent set is unreal
And im a die hard cubs fan for how much longer i wont know if they keep trotting out AAA players im done for a team with unlimited amount of money its just insane
And im a die hard cubs fan for how much longer i wont know if they keep trotting out AAA players im done for a team with unlimited amount of money its just insane
