Guys I Want To Share My Grief And Outrage Over This Story

[Romanowski]

what parameters on what test proved cats smarter?

That would be interesting. I think the test to rank dogs intelligence (breed vs breed).

Is repetitions (in training) before a command is consistently learned.

I believe its

1 Border Collie

2 Standard not min Poodle

3. German Sherperd

the rest of the top ten most sporting (Retriever, Pointers) however Doberman Pincher in there as well and he wont retrieving duck

 

[Romanowski]

Well yes Tiz, I would think those animals that can be domesticated and not only serve a purpose beyond consumption, but also as companions would have a higher worth than a chicken

thats just me.

 

[DennizdaMenace]

Well yes Tiz, I would think those animals that can be domesticated and not only serve a purpose beyond consumption, but also as companions would have a higher worth than a chicken

thats just me.

My friend adopted a chicken..A little baby Easter marshmellow peep looking thing showed up in his backyard one day..So he built it a cage and fed it..After 3 months the thing was giant..and its purpose?

It shit on every cubic foot of the pool deck

 

[tiznow]

Well yes Tiz, I would think those animals that can be domesticated and not only serve a purpose beyond consumption, but also as companions would have a higher worth than a chicken

thats just me.

pigs can be domesticated

and according to wikipedia are more intelligent than dogs

dogs are pretty stupid in all honesty just very loyal to humans

Pigs are known to be intelligent animals and have been found to be more trainable than dogs or cats. [8] Asian pot-bellied pigs, a small type of domestic pig, have made popular house pets in the United States beginning in the latter half of the 20th century. Regular domestic farmyard pigs have also been known to be kept indoors, but due to their large size and destructive tendencies, they typically need to be moved into an outdoor pen as they grow older. Most pigs have a fear of being picked up, but will usually calm down once placed back on the floor. Pigs are rarely used as working animals. An exception is the use of truffle pigs – ordinary pigs trained to find truffles.

i had a dog growing up and loved just playing devil's advocate as usual :howdy:

 

[Romanowski]

ok but Pigs that are domesticated arent the same ones being slaughtered in your Iowa fatback

It fits your personality to find miniscule exceptions to the rule and want to argue it

dogs arent stupid, some owners are

 

[tiznow]

going even further off the original topic.....one interesting tibit i found out recently was raven's are as intelligent as apes

 

[t2050]

Well yes Tiz, I would think those animals that can be domesticated and not only serve a purpose beyond consumption, but also as companions would have a higher worth than a chicken

thats just me.

huh what about those chickens that play tic tac toe, they seem pretty smart


jk

 

[tiznow]

cockroaches as intelligent as dogs LMAO

have to be somewhat smart to be such a successful species

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Coackroaches-Found-as-Intelligent-as-Dogs-57278.shtml

they can do the pavlov's dog response

In their tests, the Japanese researchers exposed the cockroaches to an odor whenever they fed them with a sugary solution. When they exposed the cockroaches to the odor alone, after several repetitions, the insects still drooled. Cockroaches fed on sugary solutions without the odor did not display the salivary conditioned reflex when exposed to the smell. "Sure, cockroaches can remember and learn," Mizunami said.

 

[ScottL]

Tiznow, go back to Sell Sell Sell!

 

[ScottL]

But before you go, can you say "Yes" or No" to a simple question? Just Yes or No Tiz -- Did this guy to a really rotten thing or not?

 

[TotalRecall]

Cruelty to animals should carry the death penalty...

RIP- little buddy

 

[ScottL]

Good Lord if I could post a pic of Sam you guys wouldn't believe it! Thanks TR.

 

[asufan550]

My dog was a rescue that was obviously abused before i got her--i can't fathom how anybody could beat a dog, much less brutally stab it to death.
Put me in a room with this ****** and he won't be walking out.

 

[tiznow]

But before you go, can you say "Yes" or No" to a simple question? Just Yes or No Tiz -- Did this guy to a really rotten thing or not?

yes

just putting things in perspective that is all

and i'm a devil's advocate by nature

animals of all kinds treated like shit by humans non stop

i understand the personal connections as far as dogs go

my dog i had growing up got an extension on her death row cause she was such a great dog and they didn't want to put her down....that we got from the humane society

 

[TotalRecall]

Ive always had a fondness for cats more than dogs. My cat actually does listen to me and is emotionally down when Im down and up when Im up- a very strong emotional bond we have. But I had an experience once with a dog that Ill recount because I could never forget it- nor would I ever want to.
About 25 years ago I was heading to the Veternarians office in my car around 5 PM to pick up my cat after getting her spayed. As I reached the intersection I saw a small crowd of about 10 to 15 people standing about surrounding something laying on the side of the street on top of a gutter grate. I parked the car and walked across the street myself to have a look. After elbowing my way in I saw a large dog laying there on his side looking around although he obviously couldnt move his body. All the people were just staring back at him shaking their heads. Hit and run they were saying. Terrible thing. Did anyone get the license number? Everyone shook their head no. A witness said this car had sped around the corner at a high rate of speed and just plowed into this poor dog just crossing the street like anyone else. Probably on his way home for dinner as his master did not appear to be present. The guy driving never ever put on his brake lights the witness said. Just kept going like it was nothing. The dog continued to stay conscious and would look up and around at all these strangers for a few seconds and then lay his head back down again. Right then I knew Id heard enough as I suddenly couldnt understand why no one had done anything but stare at that point. I looked across the street at the Vets office and back to this dog and thought well- its got to be me then. It had been raining and he was wet and I couldnt get a good grip on him at first but fimally I managed to get him up and began staggering across the street trying not to drop him. I happened to glance down at him at one point and was suprised to see him looking right into my eyes- my soul even. There was a glint of happiness in his eyes for a moment and he started to licking my face like a little puppy would. I get him in the office and yell wheres your exam room! We get him on the table and the vet does a quick exam while I cradled his head from the cold steel and stroked it gently. After a while he stepped back and shook his head. "He's got serious internal injuries. Im afraid he hasnt got long now."
Just at he finishes saying that some blood started pouring from the dogs mouth and he passed away.
Ill always believe he knew what was up and was licking me for doing something for him - not just letting him die in the gutter like that. Even a dog can sometimes teach us humans about life and how we all deserve to be treated with dignity right up to the end. Especially at the end.
I was glad I had done that for him on his last day.

 

[gtc08]

more people care about this then the guy who was jumped by 8 guys at valleyfair amusement park 20 minutes from where i live. he was defending his 12 year old daughter who got her ass grabbed and 8 people beat him unconscious, probably will have permanent damage.

animal welfare>human welfare. more people will care about this dog dying then the 41 year old defending his kid and being beaten to a bloody pulp.

i like animals as well and it disturbs me how dumb, psychopathic, ignorant, and dangerous the typical american is, but i think a human takes precedent.

 

[punter]

What the guy did was disgusting.
Not sure it was illegal, you can kill your dog.

Peoples affinity for furry animals is a good thing in my mind and I like my pets better than I like some people.

An example of our love for dogs is that had Michael Vick been involved with fighting chickens he would be heading to training camp right now.

 

[BigOrange+]

I was wondering if this story makes anyone as sad or angry as me. Enough so that you're having a great day, and you read something like this and no matter what you just can't put it in the back of your mind and it just eats at you.

This happened last night. I had finally finished with some things I'd been meaning to do over the All Star Break. I was in a great mood, and unlike others who crave the action, I enjoy the 3 days of relaxation.

I turned on Primetime Live and the story was about kids with Tourettes. Now that in itself made me well up but it's something that might stay with me for a few minutes afterward.

But during a commercial break there was a 'teaser' for the 11 0'clock news that went as follows -- "Coming up at 11, a Delaware County man is in jail tonight on animal cruelty charges for killing his wife's 3 year old dog with a sword."

Making it worse was they showed a picture of the dog and his eyes were identical to my best buddy Sam, a 16 YO border collie I had to put down 2 years ago. It's nearly 24 hours later and I still feel heartbroken for the poor dog. AND I'm enraged that this son of a bitch's greatest 'fear' now is not the loss of his freedom or the merciless beating that he deserves, but the loss of a wife he cares little about. I WANT HIM TO SUFFER!

Link to pictures and story below:
http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/new...ley_Twp__man_kills_family_dog_with_sword.html

Did the guy have a Vick jersey on?

:smoking:

 

[ScottL]

more people care about this then the guy who was jumped by 8 guys at valleyfair amusement park 20 minutes from where i live. he was defending his 12 year old daughter who got her ass grabbed and 8 people beat him unconscious, probably will have permanent damage.

animal welfare>human welfare. more people will care about this dog dying then the 41 year old defending his kid and being beaten to a bloody pulp.

i like animals as well and it disturbs me how dumb, psychopathic, ignorant, and dangerous the typical american is, but i think a human takes precedent.

gtc I hope not! This is a horrible story
http://wcco.com/local/valleyfair.assault.father.2.771963.html
which I had not seen until you referenced it. The differences are more of feeling than logic, I agree. Most humans have a choice in their actions. Most animals never get one. And unfortunately, what happened to this father is more common that what happened to this dog.

It's a good question you are asking, and allow me to rephrase it. You are asking, "Are we as a society becoming desensitized to this type of crime?" Maybe yes. But I'll tell you this. Click that link and look at the pic and tell me you'd want to be there with your 12 YO daughter at night?

In my opinion both incidents have a perp(s) and a victim. In the beating case there will be a trial. And hopefully the punishment meted out will be severe. The motherfucker who killed the dog will be punished by getting sent home with an Rx for Zanax.

 

[gtc08]

gtc I hope not! This is a horrible story
http://wcco.com/local/valleyfair.assault.father.2.771963.html
which I had not seen until you referenced it. The differences are more of feeling than logic, I agree. Most humans have a choice in their actions. Most animals never get one. And unfortunately, what happened to this father is more common that what happened to this dog.

It's a good question you are asking, and allow me to rephrase it. You are asking, "Are we as a society becoming desensitized to this type of crime?" Maybe yes. But I'll tell you this. Click that link and look at the pic and tell me you'd want to be there with your 12 YO daughter at night?

In my opinion both incidents have a perp(s) and a victim. In the beating case there will be a trial. And hopefully the punishment meted out will be severe. The motherfucker who killed the dog will be punished by getting sent home with an Rx for Zanax.

its an amusement park scott l. its a family park, shouldn't have to be watching your back at that type of area. i was actually surprised to see that happened here, but not shocked since i've been there before. the security of the park consists of 18 year old high school seasonal employees who i don't believe would face 8 guys at once. hell if i was security i wouldnt either.

what i dont get is why more people are focusing on this guy killing a dog then a guy beating practically killed in a family amusement park. more people are outraged over the dog then the guy defending his daughter.