Right, Pinny didn't move, but it did go offline for a few minutes. It's a game of chicken. Who will move first? If OLY stands on -3 or -4, Pinny is forced to move down. If OLY moves, then Pinny stands pat. The idea is to grab it at Pinny then the other side at OLY, and not have to worry about what will happen after the first minute or so. This time OLY moved a lot more than Pinny after the first few minutes. Recently it has been Pinny that moved a lot.
See, here's the great part about people middling their numbers now with Pinny... at least the juice line is getting better such that anyone that hasn't bet will get better lines, or at least better line prices. Tampa's juice line is now on their side. Same with Colorado and Austin, though I don't know how people are grabbing middles on Austin right now since the line hasn't moved a whole hell of a lot. Seriously though, if you've got the cash, go for the scalp of Dallas/LA right now... It's a great situation and you get Dallas by 1 as a double W and Dallas by 2 as a W-P.
Adding: Grand Rapids / San Jose over 114.5 (2.5 units +158): Okay, I know this is a bit of a reach here... But San Jose and Grand Rapids are probably totalling a ton of points in this one. Once SJ goes up fairly large, we're bound to see plenty of onside kicks. I sold the points back to Pinnacle on this one just in case the line jumps high enough worth scalping back. If GR reaches 50 though, we're probably in GREAT shape for both of these bets. The other way of looking at it... if San Jose gets to 66 we've gotta win something. If they want to, they'll drop 10 TDs on GR.
Are you sure you are only a young college student???? after reading your posts you are playing like a few of my friends here in vegas that are pro's . they bet for a living and run sports services and constantly are middling games , mostly in hoops but also in football . i very seldom play middles as i feel after making my number i have the best side in the matchup and i hate to give up half or all of my bet by taking the other side . You my friend sound like you have 30 years experience in betting . my friends will bet a game that they have no edge in because they know the line will be steamed and they will come back on the other side , they look for at least a 2 point middle . they make so many bets in a week that you need an accountant to track everything . Thats not my style as this is my hobby that i take very seriously , losing is not an option , what my bottom line is to win 5 and lose 4 for 55.56% . YOU CAN MAKE SOME NICE MONEY WITH THAT %.
good luck this week.
good luck this week.
Yep, just 19... 20 in about 6 weeks. Typically I don't middle my games either, though there are times that it's simply too many points to NOT middle. I actually haven't hit one of these middles this year, but I've only tried a couple. AFL is a GREAT sport to do this in, as there are some lines that come up are that just hidious. Anyone with any knowledge of the AFL knew that Tampa -3 was a terrible line, though not many would think of Austin +8.5 as a steal off the bat. No shame in 55.5% ever. Anything above that is excellent, but I wouldn't complain if I win 55.5% of my bets.
Thanks for the comments though
--AFLGuru:toast:
Thanks for the comments though
--AFLGuru:toast:
He's BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!
ARENA FOOTBALL | DESTROYERS
Vena, cut in camp, is starting QB again
Thursday, March 17, 2005
Bill Rabinowitz
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
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Coach Chris Spielman promised changes after his Columbus Destroyers
lost Saturday for the fifth time in six games, and he delivered.
Matt D'Orazio is out as starting quarterback. Ryan Vena is in.
"We're going to give Ryan a chance to start and come full circle,"
Spielman said yesterday as the Destroyers began practicing for a game
Sunday at the Colorado Crush.
Spielman did not blame D'Orazio for the team's troubles. The DeSales
and Otterbein graduate has thrown 14 touchdown passes and two
interceptions in four starts since taking over for original starter
Chad Salisbury. But the Destroyers' offense has sputtered lately, and
Spielman is looking for a spark.
The fiery Vena hopes he can provide it.
Vena survived a quarterback revolving door last year, and finished
strong. But by his own admission, he got complacent in the off-season.
He reported to training camp out of shape, and it showed. Coaches
unanimously agreed Vena had been outplayed by Salisbury and D'Orazio,
and Spielman cut him.
"The day it happened, that moment, my mouth hit the ground," Vena
said. "I was in complete shock. I've never been cut from anything in
my life and I've been playing since I was 7. I went home and had to
swallow my pride and understand this isn't given to you. You have to
earn it. It's something I took for granted, for sure. It's definitely
a humbling experience."
Vena got a sobering dose of the real world. Back in New Jersey, he got
a job at a friend's cell-phone store, making $6 an hour.
"Bills pile up quickly," he said.
When Salisbury flopped in two games, the Destroyers brought Vena back
to be D'Orazio's backup.
Because of knocks about his squatty physique, Vena always has played
with a chip on his shoulder. Spielman said Vena's bumpy ride the last
couple of months has caused that chip to grow.
"It's funny because when I talked to him yesterday I said, `Ryan,
remember how mad you were at me when I cut you?' I said now it's your
chance to make me look like a fool. I'll put on a court jester hat (if
you succeed)."
The quarterback change caught D'Orazio by surprise.
"As a competitor I'm very upset, obviously," he said. "I feel I can
lead this team and it'll follow and do well. But the coaches want to
make a change and so I'm behind Ryan 100 percent and this team 100
percent.
"In all honesty, I hope this is the change we need and we go out to
Colorado and win the game." <!--- IF THERE IS A SURVEY FOR THIS CATEGORY GET THE RESPONSES --->
ARENA FOOTBALL | DESTROYERS
Vena, cut in camp, is starting QB again
Thursday, March 17, 2005
Bill Rabinowitz
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
Advertisement Advertisement
Coach Chris Spielman promised changes after his Columbus Destroyers
lost Saturday for the fifth time in six games, and he delivered.
Matt D'Orazio is out as starting quarterback. Ryan Vena is in.
"We're going to give Ryan a chance to start and come full circle,"
Spielman said yesterday as the Destroyers began practicing for a game
Sunday at the Colorado Crush.
Spielman did not blame D'Orazio for the team's troubles. The DeSales
and Otterbein graduate has thrown 14 touchdown passes and two
interceptions in four starts since taking over for original starter
Chad Salisbury. But the Destroyers' offense has sputtered lately, and
Spielman is looking for a spark.
The fiery Vena hopes he can provide it.
Vena survived a quarterback revolving door last year, and finished
strong. But by his own admission, he got complacent in the off-season.
He reported to training camp out of shape, and it showed. Coaches
unanimously agreed Vena had been outplayed by Salisbury and D'Orazio,
and Spielman cut him.
"The day it happened, that moment, my mouth hit the ground," Vena
said. "I was in complete shock. I've never been cut from anything in
my life and I've been playing since I was 7. I went home and had to
swallow my pride and understand this isn't given to you. You have to
earn it. It's something I took for granted, for sure. It's definitely
a humbling experience."
Vena got a sobering dose of the real world. Back in New Jersey, he got
a job at a friend's cell-phone store, making $6 an hour.
"Bills pile up quickly," he said.
When Salisbury flopped in two games, the Destroyers brought Vena back
to be D'Orazio's backup.
Because of knocks about his squatty physique, Vena always has played
with a chip on his shoulder. Spielman said Vena's bumpy ride the last
couple of months has caused that chip to grow.
"It's funny because when I talked to him yesterday I said, `Ryan,
remember how mad you were at me when I cut you?' I said now it's your
chance to make me look like a fool. I'll put on a court jester hat (if
you succeed)."
The quarterback change caught D'Orazio by surprise.
"As a competitor I'm very upset, obviously," he said. "I feel I can
lead this team and it'll follow and do well. But the coaches want to
make a change and so I'm behind Ryan 100 percent and this team 100
percent.
"In all honesty, I hope this is the change we need and we go out to
Colorado and win the game." <!--- IF THERE IS A SURVEY FOR THIS CATEGORY GET THE RESPONSES --->
They've had what, 3 coaches since they moved from Buffalo? Spielman's job is safe for the rest of the season... but if they don't win at least 6 games, he's gone... And they're not winning 6 games this season. At this point, they're lucky if they win 2.
Better have a good AFL weekend... the NCAA brackets have already been pretty putred...
Better have a good AFL weekend... the NCAA brackets have already been pretty putred...
Lol... Kirk Herbstreit... I like that. They'll probably drag someone out of the af2... Did you see about the Utah Gladiators signing Danny White? Guarantee you, without watching a single game, seeing a single player on the roster, or even what damn division they're going to be in, that team's gonna be right there in the playoff push because of it.
Give Danny White a break... didn't he have them playing Colorado? And NO ONE thought that they'd be the best team in that conference... then again, no one thought Arizona, San Jose, and Chicago would all be sucking it up either... Another craptastic round of NCAA makes me wanna stop for the rest of the night, but the bets have been in for some time now. Guess SOMEONE'S gotta cover eventually for me... or hell, just win for me... I'm 3-5 SU in my bracket so far... Hope you all are fairing better.
Thank goodness there's AFL tomorrow night... thank goodness... lol
--AFLGuru:toast:
Thank goodness there's AFL tomorrow night... thank goodness... lol
--AFLGuru:toast:
Friday bets...
Dallas/LA over 104 (4 units -105)
San Jose (-14.5) vs. Grand Rapids (3 units -110)
Grand Rapids / San Jose over 114.5 (2.5 units +158)
I'll be around starting at about 10:40 EST for the in-games in anyone will be around. No ******* props this week... tired of getting burned.
--AFLGuru:toast:
Dallas/LA over 104 (4 units -105)
San Jose (-14.5) vs. Grand Rapids (3 units -110)
Grand Rapids / San Jose over 114.5 (2.5 units +158)
I'll be around starting at about 10:40 EST for the in-games in anyone will be around. No ******* props this week... tired of getting burned.
--AFLGuru:toast:
Got the LA game on gamecast... anyone here for updates even though it seems like everyone is against me on this game... Best of luck to all. Seems as though 105 makes everyone happy... we'll shoot for that. I'll run the updates on both games if anyone's here to listen.
