Greg Norman exposing the PGA tour

[wilheim]

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You mean like Manute Bol and George Muresean amoung others. A foot shorter and they never would have been heard of. Every sport has an upper echelon (All Stars if you like) and the rest are all doing their best to make a living at their particular sport.

Greg Norman is done now but he put on a heck of performance for his age. The tournament is now between Harrington and Poulter. The real story like it is at many British Opens has been the weather conditions. Put the same fiels of golfers on the best goif in Las Vegas for four rounds for example and the leader would be around 15 under right now.

Anyone who doesn't think golf is a sport should rent a set a clubs and see if you can break 120 at your local muni course.

BTW. Jockies are atheletes also.


wil.

 

[HighTimes]

If you don't have to move or run while playing it can't be considered a sport. And golfers don't have to worry about getting hit and that makes it much easier to play.

Just because it's hard to hit a golf ball straight doesn't mean it's a sport. That logic doesn't make any sense at all guys.

 

[VIEJODINOSAUR]

As yours...does that mean horses are athletes? And jockeys are not?

 

[HighTimes]

Golfers don't have to make any shots while running or moving at all. That makes it a game and not a sport. They also don't have to worry about getting hit or blindsided.

Just because it is hard to hit a golf ball straight doesn't make it a sport guys.

I guess preparing food for cooking would be considered a sport to you guys too with that logic.

 

[bellyputter]

I went to college on a basketball scholarship and lettered four years in golf. My opinion has always been that golf is a sport. Tournament golf is much more draining than any basketball game I ever played in.

 

[HighTimes]

The only people who will tell you golf is a sport seem to be the people who play golf and watch it as a fan of the game.

 

[wilheim]

Golfers are not atheletes - NOT.

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[wilheim]

Athelete playing baseball for the San Diego Padres.

In 21 years in the majors David Wells won 239 games. Word is his golf game is non-existent.


wil...

 

[red007]

Tiger is Californian. There is a diffrence. California is the best nation in the world. We would beat the piss out of the other 49 states.

Tiger
Sampras
Serena
Venus

Californians get it. The rest of the USA is big COW PIE.

i agree

 

[royboy_3831]

STFU Rail...you really have no clue about golf and the tours...you have been called out many times and never responded because of your idiotic statements...you don't even know the types of rough for all OPENS...Max1234 has called you out repeatedly...I owned you in the Masters contest and you whined to everyone...I offered you the prize and you still cried like a little girl....you yelled fix in tennis last week and got exposed...you blast the Korean players like the racist you are....get a life Rail, and stop hanging around the little league field of America and corrupting young kids....and I didn't know California was a nation? You know sports, but your warped brain and opinons have serious issues...

hahaha

 

[HisIsTheHand]

possibly even the greatest athlete period.

you might be correct, if he played a sport

 

[HighTimes]

Is that your proof?

In 21 years in the majors David Wells won 239 games. Word is his golf game is non-existent.


wil...

Michael Jordan is also a horrible golfer and could be the greatest athlete ever and to say some chicken sh1t golfer named Tiger is an athlete just because he plays the "game" of golf is a joke right?

Guys like Jason Taylor, Jay Cutler, Trent Green, STRAWBERRY, and even Emmitt Smith did worse than your man David Wells.

Also Dan Quaye, Kyle Boller, Greg Kinnear, MAURY (FRICKIN) POVICH, Joe Buck, Jeff Feagles, Wally Szczerbiak, and the great "athlete" Al Del Greco had better scores than an undisputed "great" athlete like Michael Jordan had.

So what's your point about Wells?

And what I posted again shows you that golf is no more of a sport than poker.

 

[HiPockets]

Who cares how you dice competition (golf, pool, bowling, skateboarding, sailing, archery) from obvious athletics . My definition of a sport includes any competition, from kite flying to bass fishing, where some degree of expertise is expressed in a competition. I might even include hot dog eating. When you draw stupid lines, you expose parochial ignorance. My father shot his age in a recent golf tourney and his accomplishment was immediately recognized as ascendant to athletic supremacy in an athletic family. He knocks an envious sweet ball straight down the fairway. It took him 40 years to perfect his game. No one can tell me he isn't an athlete.

 

[wilheim]

High Times

My point about Wells is he is an ordinary human being who is/was also an excellent athelete. Pro golfers are the same way, ordinary human beings, they are not 6'7" basketball players or huge 300 Lb lineman who play football. Even quarterbacks in the NFL have to be 6'4" 225 or they are extreme longshots to be sucessful.

If Micheal Jordan grew to only 5'8" do you think he would have been recruited by North Carolina nevermind play in the NBA. The sports of Football and Basketball require abnormal size to play them otherwise you have no chance to play at the top levels. Hockey players have a special skill - the ability to skate from the time they can walk otherwise no matter how great an athelete they could never play pro hockey if they were not world class skaters.

Baseball players (like Wells) for the most part are the same as golfers, good all around atheletes, propably as a group a little bigger than the man on the street but not necessarily. The biggest baseball players physically are pitchers - not hard to figure out why.

I could careless if I ever convince you or anyone else that golf is a real sport because having played thousands of rounds in my lifetime, I know it is. Not to mention if you think playing world class golf is just having the ability to hit the ball straight then quite obviously you have never picked up a golf club and tried to make a shot. Greg Norman led the British Open for a while but look who won going away, last year's winner, the slendid Padraig Harrington.

In my life I have seen many great atheletes, including Ted Williams, Bobby Orr, Bill Russell, Jack Nicklaus, Rod Laver, Wayne Gretsky, Mickey Mantle, Larry Bird, and yes Michael Jordan and many more.

They are all considered great and each posessed their own particular kind of greatness, something that has to be seen to be appreciated..

wilheim

 

[Wynn]

Rail, if Cali is so great, why does Tiger chose to live in Florida?

 

[Railbird]

To get away from his mom I think

 

[Railbird]

What if your a 13 yr old kid who has single parent raising you? Think they can afford 30K a year golf equipment and lessons? No. See how many PGA tour memebers raised by 1 parent or parents with little money, bet its less than 10%.

In golf, its easy to get driver and wedge down, its just do you want to spend hours working on short game, getting up and down from around greens. That is what PGA guys have done, its more of a techniuque than an athletic ability. ITs like getting good at darts or billards, you can have narrow feminine shoulders like DL3 or can be built like a christmas tree like Mediate to achieve a short game. It comes down to does your dad have a spare 100K to spend on your golf career? There are athletes that decide to play like Norman, Payne Stew, and Tiger. Those are the ones that beat the femmys like John Cook, Charles Howell and win the majors.


David Wells is a good athlete, use to play basketball with him at Ocean Beach rec in the mid to late 80's. Not a bad golfer either. He just happens to have a big appetite and doesnt like the treadmill.

 

[WorldNumberOne]

Rail, if Cali is so great, why does Tiger chose to live in Florida?

little thing called " no state taxes "

 

[GoSooners]

What if your a 13 yr old kid who has single parent raising you? Think they can afford 30K a year golf equipment and lessons? No. See how many PGA tour memebers raised by 1 parent or parents with little money, bet its less than 10%.

In golf, its easy to get driver and wedge down, its just do you want to spend hours working on short game, getting up and down from around greens. That is what PGA guys have done, its more of a techniuque than an athletic ability. ITs like getting good at darts or billards, you can have narrow feminine shoulders like DL3 or can be built like a christmas tree like Mediate to achieve a short game. It comes down to does your dad have a spare 100K to spend on your golf career? There are athletes that decide to play like Norman, Payne Stew, and Tiger. Those are the ones that beat the femmys like John Cook, Charles Howell and win the majors.


David Wells is a good athlete, use to play basketball with him at Ocean Beach rec in the mid to late 80's. Not a bad golfer either. He just happens to have a big appetite and doesnt like the treadmill.

Little femine shoulders won't get the ball 300 yards down the fairway..Big disadvantage for the scrawny golfers...When was the last time Corey Pavin won..As great of a short game player as he is, hitting a 3 iron into a green compared to a 7 iron is a big disadvantage in today's golf game. The PGA game has passed him by..Golfers like him may win on a short course..But there ain't too many of them around until he gets to the Senior tour.

 

[wilheim]

Railbird

That is because the atheletes and to a pretty large extent technology (clubs, balls, and bent grass) have made golf what it is today. You should not have mentioned Rocco Mediate the ulltimate shot shaper, those guys can still compete despite losing a lot of distance off the tee..

The PGA Tour was forced to attempt to Tigerproof it's tournaments, they simply made them longer but it didn't work. Tiger just got better at the other aspects of the game than everybody esle who can hit the ball 330 yards whenever they want. He has become a master at course management, the best clutch putter ever, and hits his irons better now than when he was 21, plus Tiger and his caddy Steve Williams have become a great team over the last 9 years, no longer just player and bag carrier. Watching them work together one shot at a time during a tournament is amazing. Nick Faldo and his female caddie Fanny Sunneson (now toting Sergio's bag) were almost as good in the 90's.

Pro football had a similar problem since the Steel Curtain and a few other defenses (Miami's No Name for eg.) terrorized NFL offenses in the 1970s, followed by the Niners, and Bears etc. in the 80s.

Since then the league has done nothing but make it easier to move the football - why because teams beginning in high school and college just started using their best atheletes on defense, causing the NFL to follow suit. Soon it became very difficult if not near impossible to move the ball with any consistiency - hence the pro rule changes. Fans want points, not 16-6 Super Bowls.

College basketball and then the NBA started doing the same thing soon after mainly with the 3 point shot and the installation of the shot clock in college basketball. However I think the the advent of touch foul is the real culprit and has hampered both college and pro defenses no end.

Only baseball (save for the DH) has pretty much stayed the same. Sure the gloves are bigger, the bats are made with the hardest wood, the super hard but very shatterable maple MaxBats. Steroids aside because that is a story that is not singular to just baseball, the game has changed the least compared to the other sports over the last half century. I won't get into hockey. I don't claim to know that much about tennis,

My favorite saying during football season.

"Since when is breathing on a pass receiver by a D-back been called pass interference".


wil.