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[barman]

Well, imaginary scenarios (you carrying a 1/4#) are interesting, but in reality to remove your possible defense at a criminal trial for possession of significant amount of illicit substances would be incredibly foolhardy.

And if you're not carrying anything, you are wasting both your time and the time of the police to consent to a search. Both you and they have better things to do with your life.


And on simply a more pragmatic level, I would never consent to a search because it's frankly no one's fucking business what I have in my vehicle or in my home - especially a police officer.

The simple three word answer to a request to search is, "Of course not"

Now be careful you don't say that in response to, "Do you mind if we search your vehicle/home"?.......heh

 

[Doug]

Consenting to a search of your person or property is a terrible waste of time for both you and the police.

Especially if you're not carrying anything illegal.

If you are carrying something illegal, consenting to a search will effectively remove any hope of beating a possession charge.

Police do have the option of calling in a drug dog, but most jurisdictions don't have that many and there is only so long they can reasonably detain you (20 minutes....maybe 30 max).

And even if a dog comes in, you still refuse to consent. If the dog "alerts" and prompts a legal search, that search can later be contested in the event contraband is found and you are arrested for possession.



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NEVER carry "roaches" in your ashtray. That's extremely foolish.

Carrying any amount of contraband should only be done between point of acquisition and the relative (constitutional) safety of your private residence or other private property.

If carrying for use at another destination, best to carry it in a locked container/case within the trunk of your vehicle.

Haven't you ever took a drive and burned a doobie ? I used to save my roaches when I was a pothead. I haven't bought weed in like 10 years, but I take a hit or two off a pipe or bong maybe once a month or so with my future son-in-law. The one that stiffed me on the Obama bet for $20 @)

 

[Doug]

Consenting to a search of your person or property is a terrible waste of time for both you and the police.

Especially if you're not carrying anything illegal.

If you are carrying something illegal, consenting to a search will effectively remove any hope of beating a possession charge.

Police do have the option of calling in a drug dog, but most jurisdictions don't have that many and there is only so long they can reasonably detain you (20 minutes....maybe 30 max).

And even if a dog comes in, you still refuse to consent. If the dog "alerts" and prompts a legal search, that search can later be contested in the event contraband is found and you are arrested for possession.



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NEVER carry "roaches" in your ashtray. That's extremely foolish.

Carrying any amount of contraband should only be done between point of acquisition and the relative (constitutional) safety of your private residence or other private property.

If carrying for use at another destination, best to carry it in a locked container/case within the trunk of your vehicle.

Why would consenting to a search be a waste of time, Bar ? or did you mean to say "not consenting" ?

I know I have nothing, if I refuse, the cop might call for a dog... that would be the time waste, might take another hour or more.

maybe you have another take on it ?

I haven't had a 1/4 elbow in like 20 years.

 

[quantumleap]

That's very tough to answer as it would always come down to an on the ground call by the officer(s) involved.

At the point where an arrest is being affected, the "resistence" occurs, resulting in the second charge.

That charge is often dropped at the court level if the person involved is cooperative on the original charge which triggered the arrest which then triggered the momentary resistence.

The prosecutor is always the one who ultimately decides what is charged.

The arresting officer(s) are not technically making a charge, but rather are serving as either the complaintant (on behalf of the state) or responding to a legitimate third party complaintant.

That last note is important to remember because it's the reason why if an officer tells you, "If you cooperate, you won't be charged" (ie....If you tell me where the pot is, you won't get charged with possession), he is lying since he does not have the authority to either make or to dismiss any ultimate charges laid after arrest.

Thanks much bar.

:toast:

 

[barman]

Why would consenting to a search be a waste of time, Bar ?

I know I have nothing, if I refuse, the cop might call for a dog... that would be the time waste, might take another hour or more.

Police cannot legally detain you for an hour without probable cause. 30 minutes is likely enough to get any subsequent search tossed.

As for your initial question, I guess it depends on how much you value your time.

Or put it this way.

Let's say this evening you go out to your car and begin to drive to (store, casino, friend's house, job, whatever). And you have nothing illegal in your car on on your person.

At a stoplight I pull up in a car behind you, jump out and come to your window.

"Hey Doug, pull over for a second, I need to ask you something"

So you pull over.

And then I ask, "Is it okay if I search your vehicle to see if you have anything illegal in it?"

What would you answer?


Let's presume you would answer, maybe even with a smile, "Uh, no Bar. I'm on my way somewhere and I don't want to wait while you do that." And you're thinking silently, "And Bar, it's none of your damn business what I have in my car".

Now why would you answer ME like that and not do the same if a police officer asked you the same question? Why would you distort your travel plans just to satisfy his curiousity?

And since you know you have nothing illegal, why would you waste the valuable time of a police officer who could be something FAR more important than searching a vehicle and finding nothing illegal?

It's a Lose Lose situation.

There's absolutely no benefit to you to ever consent to a search of your person, your vehicle or your other private property. None. Nada.

 

[barman]

Haven't you ever took a drive and burned a doobie ? I used to save my roaches when I was a pothead. I haven't bought weed in like 10 years, but I take a hit or two off a pipe or bong maybe once a month or so with my future son-in-law. The one that stiffed me on the Obama bet for $20 @)

I frequently toke while driving.

But I only carry one or two in my possession during those drives (presuming I won't be back home for quite some time) and in the event of lights flashing behind me, I could then easily destroy and/or eat the evidence.

That's not a real practical idea if your ashtray has numerous dusty roaches.

 

[Doug]

I've never had a cop request to search when being given a speeding ticket, or similar... but I would probably refuse, out of principle if clean, and might consent if carrying very well hidden "cargo".

 

[barman]

Well I'll give you the nod for being the first person I have ever met anywhere who would consider consenting to a police search while in possession of illegal substances.

 

[Doug]

Well I'll give you the nod for being the first person I have ever met anywhere who would consider consenting to a police search while in possession of illegal substances.

Well Barman ( Steve ?, I think your name is ?), I picked that bit of advice up somewhere on this site:

http://www.nevergetbusted.com/

I certainly respect your opinion in this field, and I don't ever seeing myself having more than a few grams ever again, so I'm not worried about it. I haven't had even a eigth oz bag in ten years, but I used to buy in up to lb quantities. Pot isn't important to me...anymore !

I'm 45, pretty much got away from it at about 30, but I certainly will take a toke, if offered one.

I didn't quit smoking the herb, just kinda sorta stopped, if you know what I mean.

I can go several years without it, at a time. Very similar with coke.

 

[barman]

That commercial video by Barry Cooper has so much bad advice in it, I couldn't even cover 10% here.

We (at DrugSense and LEAP) were approached by him to help promote his videos, but after watching them and seeing the advice he gives, we took a polite pass.

 

[geeze]

Hey, what is forgotten in all this brouha is the fact that she was doing 60 in a 45 zone.

She could have killed somebody.