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btw-the most overused term this bowl season is without question "Motivation"
it's such a tired term...these are top level competitors!!! they are ALL motivated when they step on the field...i'm tired of hearing this team is or was or should be motivated...i can list countless examples both ways. if anyone thought texas should be "more" motivated than oh st then you're kidding yourselves...what were they gonna do, cut the national championship trophy in half and give a piece to texas?? was mizzou unmotivated, or did fitzgerald and his staff, with 4 weeks to prepare, devise a good game plan to limit their passing game..?? i know mizzou sure looked motivated to win at the end of the game...it's not about motivation, they're all motivated, unless you have a friend on the team that tells you otherwise...it's about execution, always has been, always will be

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Motivation is usually shown in the early stages of the game.

Sure Missouri was trying just as hard to win at the end.

Don't tell me for a second that Missouri was just as pumped up at the start as Northwestern was.

Also Alabama was trying just as hard as Utah at the end of the game to win. You gonna sit there and tell me 21-0 10 minutes into the game was all about preparation and matchups and NOT motivation?[/quote]

how many spread passing team did alabama face this season..??
i'll tell you...one

they were built for smash-mouth, and that game was ALL about matchups...if you think utah won because of motivation then why didn't alabama stop them in the second half??

i thought LSU was supposed to be un-motivated..??
like i said, you can cite as many examples for as against, which makes it a useless angle imo
 

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Trent...We'll just have to agree to disagee here. I think motivation has a lot to do with it. The trouble is, as the public we don't always know which team will be or should be the most motivated. The reason I think motivation has more to do with it than you think is the stats I've looked at from past bowl games, where in many cases the dominate team gets beat, or doesn't cover a spread they easily should have covered. It happens at a much higher rate in bowl games than it does the regular season... As for USC, you know as well as I that you can't judge this team by what they do in conference during the season. I've pretty much learned my lesson for the last time after this last Rose Bowl.. Do you really think the same USC team that beat Penn State is the same one that lost to Oregon State and just got past Arizona? In my opinion the 2004 Trojan team who beat an undefeated OU team by 36 points for the BCS title, was by far Pete Carroll's best team. But that team played 3 close games to a TD or less in conferecne that year. It's ALL about motivation with USC. Carroll probably has a hell of a time getting his California glamour boys with big egos to play well for him every week. But when it comes to big games like BCS games and Rose Bowls, it's my guess that he doesn't have to work as hard. With a month to prepare they can beat anybody. The only time they lost in 2005 was when they were rebuilding their defense and the best Big 12 team in many years Texas came in and beat them by a FG. That's the only time this team is vulnerable, when they are doing some serious rebuilding on one side or both sides of the ball.

yes, but just talking about this year i think florida is better...better special teams, more dynamic offense...usc won't out-scheme you on offense, they run a pro-style offense and talent usually wins out with them...would like to see how efficient that offense is when they face equal talent, which they don't in conference but would if they faced florida...their defense would have some trouble with florida spread imo...i'm not saying they would give up 30, don't get me wrong, but florida would have success against their defense imo...remember, when they faced oregon at home it was only masioli's second start, and his first was against wash st, so that doesn't really count...the rest of the pac 10 offenses were pedestrian, if not awful!!
i'm just saying usc looked real good, and the initial reaction would be to crown them after that performance, but let's hold off on that just yet
 

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Florida (ML) over Oklahoma **
First off, I want to say I got this moneyline play last week when the line was still at Florida -2.5. Because of the juice I would never even think about doing this if the line was a FG or more. I did this play originally as an insurance policy of sorts because I bet OU before the season to win the BCS title at +800. If I took Florida minus the points and OU covered the spread, then I would lose both bets. So doing it this way guarantees me a profit either way, no matter who wins. Obviously I would rather win my bigger payout +800 play for OU to win the national championship. But I'm not very confident that OU can win this game, or even cover the spread where it stands now.

With the 33 bowls behind us, and the stats we have in front of us, I think it now makes this game a little easier bet. The Big 12 has simply not been impressive in any of their bowl games against a team with any kind of a pulse. The only game where a Big 12 team won as a dog was Nebraska as a small 2 point dog to Clemson. Otherwise the Big 12 is 2-4 ATS so far in their bowls. Yes, the Big 12 and SEC have pretty much identical bowl records at 4-2 and 5-2. But look at how the Big 12 has struggled to win their bowl games over some very mediocre teams. And Texas Tech lost as a favorite over an SEC team. The SEC has had 3 teams from their conference win straight up as dogs in their bowl games. The only two losses were a South Carolina team who was struggling at the end of the seson, and was expected to lose. And Alabama, who was coming off a disappointing SEC title game loss, and then going up against an undefeated Utah team. The motivation factor difference for both of those teams in that game was off the charts. In the end the SEC was definitely the more impressive of the two conferences this bowl season.

I think public perception is what is keeping this line from getting completely out of hand. OU is still perceived as having the best offense in this game based on their numbers. But the reality of the situation is OU has put up their numbers against defenses that have an average ranking of #93, while Florida has averaged scoring 51 ppg in their last 8 games against opponenets who average #23 in the country in defense...HUGE difference. The reality is OU hasn't faced a defense that ranks in the top 50 in their last 7 games, while Florida hasn't played a defense ranked any lower than #38 in their last 7 games against Division 1 teams. So it's very possible that Florida has the better offense and 75% of the public doesn't have a clue about it by looking at the raw stats.. The most important thing is Florida has been through some better wars than OU coming down the stretch. While the only team with a pulse that OU played in their 7 game span since Texas was OSU. And this is the key game you need to look at if your capping this game. The reason is because OSU is basically the only strong running team that OU played all year. And OSU was very successful running on OU that day for about 200 yards. QB Zac Robinson had 90 yards himself. So you have to believe that Tebow can probably get over the 100 yard mark if he's not too busy distributing the ball to his skill people. The point is OU wasn't able to stop a balanced team, and got gashed for 41 points that day. Luckily the OU offense bailed them out of that game. But the key here is whatever OSU can do, Florida can do better. Rushing and defense mean more to me than any other aspect of capping. That's why I'm a big believer in the running dogs system, that went 9-5 ATS in the bowls this season. Florida is by far the better running team in this game (+1.2), which is a pretty big gap. So your looking at Florida having the better running team and better defense. Which is a pretty deadly combination in these bowls.

On the defensive side of the ball, Florida has held their opponents to just 13 ppg while OU is giving up over 24 ppg. And haven't given up less than 21 in any of their last 8 games. And averaged giving up 31 ppg in that span. This is just not very good defense. I don't care if your blowing teams out or not. The defense is always the first thing I look at when capping games. If your not playing good defense or good special teams, I've found that 9 out of 10 times your offense can't bail you out in games like this when playing another team of equal or greater value on offense. And better on defense. And you have to take the coaching records into consideration. I said to myself this season that I wouldn't make a bet on OU again in a BCS game until Stoops wins one again. And right now in the last 4 BCS bowls he's 0-4. And only 4-5 SU in bowl games. While Urban Meyer is 26-5 ATS in his coaching career in non conferecne games dating back to Utah. Pretty damned good. So there's no denying what OU is up against here. They'll be going to Miami and playing a Florida team with a Heisman Trophy winner, better running game, better special teams, better big game coach (up to this point), better defense. And in their own backyard.

Although I can see OU putting up a much better fight than they did last year against WV, unless Florida plays a game like they did against Ole Miss, and OU plays a very clean game, I don't see the Sooners coming out with a win. The only questions to be answered about this game is OU's lines versus Florida's. This is where I'm not sure who has the advantage. If OU is able to establish a running game behind Brown, and especially Madu, who I think is as good as Murray, then I will at least give the Sooners a fighting chance. Bama ran for over 4 ypc on Florida. Which gives me a little hope. I'm also curious to see how Percy Harvin comes out in this game. Having endured a high ankle sprain myself, I know this kind of injury is very nagging and not easy to get over. And also very easy to reaggrivate. So if he's not 100% for the game this also helps OU's cause on defense. I can see things going wrong for Florida. But i can see many more things going right for them. In all honesty, I'm not crazy about this line where it stands at -5. But I would still take Florida. I would just make it a smaller play. I've done very well in picking BCS title games over the past 10 years. And I don't like going against OU like I have been doing in their last few BCS games. But I think Florida is the right side.

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Something I wanted to say about the Big 12. Yes, they are for the moment top heavy on offensive teams and bad defenses. But strengths of conferences all run in cycles. Many here may be too young to remember, but dating back to even the mid 90's with the great Nebraska teams, the Big 12 was the dominate conference in college football. As well as through the 70's where the Big 12 beat the SEC on a regular basis. And as pissed off as Texas fans are about the BCS situation this year, it very well could be a blessing in diguise for Texas by not having to go down to Miami to play Florida in this game. To me, Texas looks like a program on the way up, with OC Muschamp leading the defense. And I'm sure their recruiting will go through the roof now that he's there, and knowing he is their future head coach. I think in the long run when it comes to recruiting, that winning a Fiesta Bowl game over Ohio State goes much further than a possible blowout to the hands of Florida. It's much easier to build on next year. With OU, after their blowout loss to WV, I'm very surprised to see them in this game. Stoops is to be commened for what he's done in bringing them back. But I don't think I've ever seen a team get blown out in their bowl game the year before and come back and win the national title. Bowl wins, or at the very least close bowl losses are a HUGE plus to have a building block for next year. Big losses don't help that cause. This was pretty much an all or nothing year for OU. They lose a lot of key players form this team, including 8 on offense including the entire offensivel line. And I just heard tonight there is already a website up that QB Bradford is going to declare for the NFL after this game. So by next season the balance of power will have shifted heavily in Texas favor. And they should have a pretty good defense to represent the Big 12 next season. Although Stoops has done a fantastic job in turning the OU program around, i also know he is very stubborn. And doesn't like to make changes in his coaching staff. But if things go south for OU in this game, and they can't keep it close, I hope he starts making some changes in his defensive coaching staff. So if OU loses, I almost hope the game isn't close, because 0-5 in BCS bowls isn't acceptable to a die-hard OU fan like myself.
 

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GoSooners, I will be with you on FLORIDA! Leaving to go to Miami very early in the morning. Thanks for ALL you do for us RXers and the class that you ALWAYS show. Love ya, LT :103631605:toast::party:
 

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GoSooners, Keep Krackin those Nutts! :nohead::party: LT
 

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GoSooners, I will be with you on FLORIDA! Leaving to go to Miami very early in the morning. Thanks for ALL you do for us RXers and the class that you ALWAYS show. Love ya, LT :103631605:toast::party:
I wish I could join you Coach. That would be a hell of a party. If OU wins I get drunk...If OU loses I get drunker. I hope I'm wrong. But I have a feeling that the Sooners players are going to get tired of chasing those speedy little Gators around the field for 3 hours.. Hopefully you'll get your money's worth, and they will give them a better game than Ohio State did a couple years ago. Have a good time.:toast:
 

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HD-OU has some key defensive players injured. I think its an O lineman, def end and a LB. Dont have the names just saw it on ESPN. Any info/input on this and you think the -5 looks pretty good now?
 

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HD-OU has some key defensive players injured. I think its an O lineman, def end and a LB. Dont have the names just saw it on ESPN. Any info/input on this and you think the -5 looks pretty good now?
I haven't heard anything about any new injuries.
 

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NOW i can officially say the whole forum is on florida, when you have GoSooners goin against the sooners. Surprised you are so pesimistic about your teams chances, I think OU's passing game will loom large
 

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Thanks for all of your posts this college season. You have been very insightful and your threads have been a "must open" for me each week to read your opinions. Hope to see you next season.
 

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NOW i can officially say the whole forum is on florida, when you have GoSooners goin against the sooners. Surprised you are so pesimistic about your teams chances, I think OU's passing game will loom large
Delta....9 out of 10 times when I see the numbers difference between teams like this, especially OU who is giving up almost 280 yards passing a game, I have to side with Florida. But I can say this; every once in a while one of those games come along that a team plays above their heads, and you can throw out all of the numbers. I'm hoping this will be one of those games. I know for a fact that the OU players have been on a mission this year to right the embarassing showing that they had last year against WV in the Fiesta Bowl. So the Sooners will be very motivated coming into this game. I also know for a fact that Bob Stoops teams play 100% better when they are on "on edge" and are made the dogs, or made to look by the public like they can't win their games. It's looking like the public is getting carried away with this line. It's already gone up a full 3 points to 5.5.. And you know what that usually means. I think the one thing about this game that the Florida backers are maybe underestimating is the power of OU's offensive line. So far, I haven't seen anybody except Texas early in the year that has been able to stay on the field with them. But the O-Line has changed up a few blocking schemes since that game, and have become more of a run blocking offense since then. This line is also all seniors, and have been together for a lot of reps. When they get you going downhill they can be very hard to stop. Florida is supposed to be a very good run stop team. But how well they can stop OU's run game is the key to the game tonight. If you see Brown or Madu start reeling off some 8 and 10 yarders from the line of scrimmage, then we could be in for a great game. Let's hope it happens....BOL
 

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Best of luck tonight GS. You give great insight. Can't root for your team, but I do hope it's a ballgame in the 4th quarter. If I think Florida will win, Oklahoma's sure to take the mythical nat'l championship!
 

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GS, you seriously haven't heard of any injuries or suspensions? This line movement is absurd for such a huge national game. My line was 7, but to move 3 points in hours is crazy....
 

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