going to vegas- anyone use a system on blackjack or roulette?

[JDeuce]

No strategy works for roulette. NONE.



A few years back, the guy who runs Wizard of Odds offered anyone $1 million if they could show him a roulette system that worked and had mathematical proof behind it. We'd all have read about it on here if someone had claimed the prize by now. No one has because it doesn't exist. The closest anyone has ever come was a guy named Gonzalo Garcia-Pelayo, but that was more about finding deficiencies in the wheel, not a mathematical system.

Each roll of the ball is completely random. I had lunch with a guy from work last week who was laughing as he told me a story...he was in Vegas a few weeks ago and saw a roulette wheel at the Wynn that had come up with something like 10 straight black numbers. So he put $100 on red...it came up black. He put $200 on red on the next spin...it came up black again. He put $300 on red one more time to try to break even...and guess what? Black. Again. He laughed it off after winning a bunch of money at video poker later on.

Granted, streaks like that are rare, but they do happen...and they do prove that it's completely random and no numbers or colors are ever "due to hit."

 

[tatehill2000]

I tried to post a screen shot of my dublinbet account, I sent the screen shot to wil, so, I guess hopefully he will post it,

soooo
:howdy:
tater

 

[festeringZit]

Wizard of odds used to have a challenge where he'd pay $1mil or something for a winning roulette system, not sure if it's still out there, but suspect it is.

Actually it was $20K and it was for any casino game. He has had
one taker.

http://wizardofodds.com/gambling/challenge2.html


Since 1999 I have offered a challenge of my $20,000 against $2000 that a betting system based on a casino game with a house advantage could not stand up to a one billion hand computer simulation. The details can be found in my section on betting systems. I have had lots of inquiries about it but talks often broke down over the issue of trust. A few people have tried to trick me with rule variants that gave the player the advantage. However in October 2004 I finally had a legitimate taker in Daniel Rainsong. Not only did he agree but requested we double the stakes.
Mr. Rainsong first approached me by e-mail with lots of confidence in beating my challenge. He drove a very long distance to meet me and have the challenge performed. One very important point to him was that once I lost I would post the results on my site and write an endorsement of his procedure, which I agreed to. He objected to me calling it a system, preferring the term procedure instead. Terms were debated back and forth and carefully written in a notarized contract. Half of my $40,000 and all of Mr. Rainsong's funds were placed in the hands of a third party arbitrator, a professional card counter with a degree in statistics from U.C. Berkeley.
While I can not reveal the secret of the procedure I can say that it is not a card counting strategy and deck penetration does not affect it. It also can be easily played on any blackjack game and requires no special skill. Mr. Rainsong says it is based on recent research in the area of genetics and has shown a profit of $8215 over 33,000 hands of actual casino play with a starting bet of $1.
We went back and forth many times on the blackjack rules to be used and agreed on the following, which is about as good as it gets.

• 2 decks
• Dealer stands on soft 17
• Double after split allowed
• Player may resplit to 4 hands
• No surrender, resplit aces, draw to split aces, or any other unusual rules.
• Dealer places cut card 75% of the way into the shoe

The house edge under these rules is 0.26%. My house edge calculator indicates the house edge under these rules is 0.1943%, but the cut card effect adds 0.063% to that. These are very competitive rules and few casinos offer rules this good. As my challenge states a bet spread of 1 to 1024 units was allowed on one billion consecutive initial bets.
Mr. Rainsong also allowed me the option to surrender for half my $40,000 stake before any calculations were done. He seemed to feel there was a good chance I would accept this offer. However after the procedure was explained to me I declined the option without hesitation.
On October 21, 2004, my simulator was ready and Mr. Rainsong came to my home early for the "pressing of the button." I told him it would take about 14 hours to play through one billion hands and offered to show him a sample of the output as the simulation progressed over a test run of ten million hands. The test run showed the system last saw the light of day after 168621 hands, the last hand it showed a profit. After that point the bankroll gradually fell deeper and deeper into the hole. After ten million hands it was clear that it would never climb out of the hole and Mr. Rainsong forfeited the challenge.
Following are the final results after the ten million hand run.

• Initial hands played: 10,000,000
• Total amount bet: 10,357,394 units
• Final balance: -30,381.5 units
• Last point bankroll was positive or zero: Hand # 168621
• Return of procedure: -0.2933%

I would like to extend my thanks to Mr. Rainsong for his outstanding sportsmanship. Most people who claim they know how to beat a game with a house advantage fear computer simulations and outside verification like Dracula fears a crucifix. However I greatly respect Mr. Rainsong for seeking an independent expert analysis of his procedure. I also respect and appreciate that he accepted my results without argument and paid immediately after forfeiting the challenge. As a former Marine I think he was a perfect example of honor that the Marine Corps stands for.
Mr. Rainsong asked me to mention that his book is sometimes available on eBay. However let there be no misunderstanding, I do not endorse it. He may also be contacted for questions at Rainsongresearch(at)aol.com.

 

[festeringZit]

I tried to post a screen shot of my dublinbet account, I sent the screen shot to wil, so, I guess hopefully he will post it,

soooo
:howdy:
tater

Um, your account balance proves absolutely nothing.

later:howdy:

 

[tatehill2000]

??? lol your too funny, you go on first saying Proof is the only thing that matters,,, then double switch and say my 6-7 months of play mean nothing??

you are a joke FZ.

tater

 

[kermit16]

??? lol your too funny, you go on first saying Proof is the only thing that matters,,, then double switch and say my 6-7 months of play mean nothing??

you are a joke FZ.

tater

Be very careful when and if you deposit your $$ and play for real Cash. There are many systems that work over the short term but you certainly haven't shown anyone here anything resembling Mathematical proof.
Good luck and be very careful !

 

[cincy_]

Check out this link:

http://books.google.com/books?id=-9...=X&oi=book_result&resnum=5&ct=result#PPA46,M1

 

[chowie]

no system works

 

[tatehill2000]

Check out this link:

http://books.google.com/books?id=-9...=X&oi=book_result&resnum=5&ct=result#PPA46,M1

mine does,

its an inside, partial outside system, Ive never posted it, but it does capitalizes on streaks, and hedges on inconsistencies.

no worries,

in the last 6-7 months of developing the system its lost 4 times. only to come back stronger the next time.:drink:

tater

 

[Santo]

"but it does capitalizes on streaks"

Moving on..

 

[Fishhead]

Use matchplay coupons.

If your playing BJ, learn to count cards.

However, using matchplay coupons will net you more than 99% of those that know how to count cards.

I'm up thousands through matchplay coupons over the years and I dont even know basic strategy PERFECTLY and don't count cards with PRECISE accuracy.


Never underestimate the power of compounding(as some of your parents told you)......... AND grinding.

 

[RobFunk]

Use matchplay coupons.

If your playing BJ, learn to count cards.

However, using matchplay coupons will net you more than 99% of those that know how to count cards.

I'm up thousands through matchplay coupons over the years and I dont even know basic strategy PERFECTLY and don't count cards with PRECISE accuracy.


Never underestimate the power of compounding(as some of your parents told you)......... AND grinding.

This is great advice. I Just keep my eye on everything worth 10.

If most of the 10's have come out already, I stop betting big and wait for a reshuffle.

 

[timotinbowen]

mine does,

its an inside, partial outside system, Ive never posted it, but it does capitalizes on streaks, and hedges on inconsistencies.

no worries,

in the last 6-7 months of developing the system its lost 4 times. only to come back stronger the next time.:drink:

tater

tate, forgive me if I sound condescending, I'm just trying to get at how you can turn a series of -EV bets (every bet in roulette) into a +EV system. Does your system rely on mechanical inconsistencies that make certain numbers more likely, or is it really just some extrapolation of the Gambler's Fallacy?

Also, it is important to note the difference between winning with a system and a "winning system." Take the following hypothetical: You are playing roulette at a casino that allows a $1 to $1,000,000 spread. You could martingale a certain color for a 2 hour session and probably win. In fact, you could do that every day for a year and probably win. You have won with this "system", but you certainly do not have a winning system. If played out ad infinitum, you will lose at a very determined rate.

Please explain your system, as I'm trying to see where your advantage lies. And if it really is just a tricky bet scheme, I urge you to inform Vegas casinos you'd like to play high limits with that system. Not only will they not turn away your action, they will send a limo to the airport to pick you up and comp you a nice room.

 

[festeringZit]

??? lol your too funny, you go on first saying Proof is the only thing that matters,,, then double switch and say my 6-7 months of play mean nothing??

you are a joke FZ.

tater

Um, you may think I'm the joke, but you keep playing your
"system" and the joke is clearly on you, as multiple posters on here
have pointed out.

It's mentalities like yours that keep the lights on in Vegas year
after year.

By the way, I'm trying to do you a favor by pointing out the
fallacies in your thinking.

 

[tatehill2000]

tate, forgive me if I sound condescending, I'm just trying to get at how you can turn a series of -EV bets (every bet in roulette) into a +EV system. Does your system rely on mechanical inconsistencies that make certain numbers more likely, or is it really just some extrapolation of the Gambler's Fallacy?

Also, it is important to note the difference between winning with a system and a "winning system." Take the following hypothetical: You are playing roulette at a casino that allows a $1 to $1,000,000 spread. You could martingale a certain color for a 2 hour session and probably win. In fact, you could do that every day for a year and probably win. You have won with this "system", but you certainly do not have a winning system. If played out ad infinitum, you will lose at a very determined rate.

Please explain your system, as I'm trying to see where your advantage lies. And if it really is just a tricky bet scheme, I urge you to inform Vegas casinos you'd like to play high limits with that system. Not only will they not turn away your action, they will send a limo to the airport to pick you up and comp you a nice room.

Tim, i appreciate your words, their not condescending as FZ is being? but hey this is the offshore, and most that are on this page do know their shit, the joke is on them however in that there are methods that work besides scalping, and/or Middling.

The system is not a Martingale to a mil. that is ridiculous, However there is a small progression. It is based on repeater numbers, but I use an Outside bet to hedge some of the bet, there are now 4 results.
1. Both bets win great
2. Inside bet wins good
3. Outside bet wins Covered bet
4. both bets lose.

The system is not that complicated, and is comprised of 9 total bets (Ive lost at the 9th bet 4 times in the last 6 months.

Again, with that amount of losses/per wins. Things have tested very well on LIVE single 0 tables,,,

************

FZ you dont need to do me any favors man, I dont care that you disagree with me, however you are a jerk. Ive treated the RX and everyone here pretty fairly, I dont want to sell anything, Ive never been a jerk to pretty much anyone,, (well maybe a few) but only to those that kicked me first,

I have been in touch with wil to Post my balance at dublinbet, this is just to show that im not a liar as you called me,
tater

 

[festeringZit]

Tim, i appreciate your words, their not condescending as FZ is being? but hey this is the offshore, and most that are on this page do know their shit, the joke is on them however in that there are methods that work besides scalping, and/or Middling.

The system is not a Martingale to a mil. that is ridiculous, However there is a small progression. It is based on repeater numbers, but I use an Outside bet to hedge some of the bet, there are now 4 results.
1. Both bets win great
2. Inside bet wins good
3. Outside bet wins Covered bet
4. both bets lose.

The system is not that complicated, and is comprised of 9 total bets (Ive lost at the 9th bet 4 times in the last 6 months.

Again, with that amount of losses/per wins. Things have tested very well on LIVE single 0 tables,,,

************

FZ you dont need to do me any favors man, I dont care that you disagree with me, however you are a jerk. Ive treated the RX and everyone here pretty fairly, I dont want to sell anything, Ive never been a jerk to pretty much anyone,, (well maybe a few) but only to those that kicked me first,

I have been in touch with wil to Post my balance at dublinbet, this is just to show that im not a liar as you called me,
tater

Tater,

I should have worded my response better, instead of calling you a liar,
I should have said that I believe your contention that you have a
winning system is a lie. So, please accept my apologies for that.

That being said, your system is still clearly a losing system.

 

[X-Files]

I have found one can win in an online casino by taking
advantage of apparent errors in the software. For
example the same patterns emerge over and over.

 

[fathead]

Tim, i appreciate your words, their not condescending as FZ is being? but hey this is the offshore, and most that are on this page do know their shit, the joke is on them however in that there are methods that work besides scalping, and/or Middling.

The system is not a Martingale to a mil. that is ridiculous, However there is a small progression. It is based on repeater numbers, but I use an Outside bet to hedge some of the bet, there are now 4 results.
1. Both bets win great
2. Inside bet wins good
3. Outside bet wins Covered bet
4. both bets lose.

The system is not that complicated, and is comprised of 9 total bets (Ive lost at the 9th bet 4 times in the last 6 months.

Again, with that amount of losses/per wins. Things have tested very well on LIVE single 0 tables,,,

************

FZ you dont need to do me any favors man, I dont care that you disagree with me, however you are a jerk. Ive treated the RX and everyone here pretty fairly, I dont want to sell anything, Ive never been a jerk to pretty much anyone,, (well maybe a few) but only to those that kicked me first,

I have been in touch with wil to Post my balance at dublinbet, this is just to show that im not a liar as you called me,
tater

tater, I am able to code and test most roulette and baccarat systems on the SheerPower 4GL platform. I can run it on as many spins as you want, even billions. Let me know if you want me to try to code it for you.

 

[Doug]

I don't get how something with a roughly 3% house edge, could EVER be +EV, you're trading off something to win short-term, it cannot work over millions of plays.

There is a bad streak looming on the horizon, that will wipe out the wins. You can't handicap something random like this game, or any other non-skilled casino game, and turn it to positive with a system.

 

[kidslick]

Tate-Hill



give me some of your 2nd half nba winners