Man, I'm so glad true patriots like Dick Cheney are in power. Can you imagine if John Effin Kerry had won in 2004 and the Silk Pony would be making some wimpy wishy-washy statement to Russia?
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VP Cheney threatens Russia over Georgia
US Vice President Dick Cheney has threatened Russia after the country was forced to reply Georgia's attack on South Ossetia's region.
In a phone conversation with Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili on Sunday, Cheney said Russia's military actions in Georgia 'must not go unanswered'.
Continuation of Russian attack 'would have serious consequences for its relations with the United States, as well as the broader international community,' Cheney's press secretary, Lee Ann McBride, quoted him as telling Saakashvili.
"The vice president expressed the United States' solidarity with the Georgian people and their democratically elected government in the face of this threat to Georgia's sovereignty and territorial integrity," McBride said.
Earlier, Chairman of Russia's State Duma Security Committee Vladimir Vasilyev announced that US helped Georgia start military operation in South Ossetia.
"The further the situation unfolds, the more the world will understand that Georgia would never be able to do all this without America," said Vasilyev.
Georgian military forces launched a large-scale military offensive against South Ossetia on Thursday evening hours before the start of the Beijing 2008 Olympic Games. Russia, in response, moved its forces to the region.
The conflict has left at least 2000 people dead.
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Bravo, VP Cheney! :aktion033
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VP Cheney threatens Russia over Georgia
US Vice President Dick Cheney has threatened Russia after the country was forced to reply Georgia's attack on South Ossetia's region.
In a phone conversation with Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili on Sunday, Cheney said Russia's military actions in Georgia 'must not go unanswered'.
Continuation of Russian attack 'would have serious consequences for its relations with the United States, as well as the broader international community,' Cheney's press secretary, Lee Ann McBride, quoted him as telling Saakashvili.
"The vice president expressed the United States' solidarity with the Georgian people and their democratically elected government in the face of this threat to Georgia's sovereignty and territorial integrity," McBride said.
Earlier, Chairman of Russia's State Duma Security Committee Vladimir Vasilyev announced that US helped Georgia start military operation in South Ossetia.
"The further the situation unfolds, the more the world will understand that Georgia would never be able to do all this without America," said Vasilyev.
Georgian military forces launched a large-scale military offensive against South Ossetia on Thursday evening hours before the start of the Beijing 2008 Olympic Games. Russia, in response, moved its forces to the region.
The conflict has left at least 2000 people dead.
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Bravo, VP Cheney! :aktion033
We should fire up the air force jets and take a little target practice in Georgia. Anyone see those old rust buckets on wheels the Russians were wheeling through town? Jesus H Christ they looked like they were from the 70's!
Sad to say though Georgia doesn't really offer us much so why should we get involved. If Georgia survives this invasion perhaps we can sell them some better shit for next time. Future business partners I guess?
Sad to say though Georgia doesn't really offer us much so why should we get involved. If Georgia survives this invasion perhaps we can sell them some better shit for next time. Future business partners I guess?
Ok. Can you present a logical argument why to do that?
When it was the Kosovo crisis all Western countries and USA agreed with the self-determination principle although Russian officials stated that they will adopt the same atitude regarding South Ossetia and Abastazia.
A region with russians as majority want to declare it's independency...
What's the difference between then and now? ...
Georgia is within Russia's sphere of influence. A Georgian was the leader of the USSR for 40% of the last 100 years. It is not the place of the US to interfere like we were compelled to do during the Cubam Missile crisis when Russi tried to interfere within our sphere of influence.
The new Georgian leader tried to exert Geogian power into the Russian area of the historic Georgian lands. He overplayed his hand and lost all the tricks. Russia historically is the protector of the Slavs. Let it be!
The new Georgian leader tried to exert Geogian power into the Russian area of the historic Georgian lands. He overplayed his hand and lost all the tricks. Russia historically is the protector of the Slavs. Let it be!
A John McCain presidency would make the Bush regime look like a bunch of turtle doves. 
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McCain condemnation upstages Bush
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c3508ce2-67d1-11dd-8d3b-0000779fd18c.html
By Edward Luce and Andrew Ward in Washington
Published: August 11 2008 19:33 | Last updated: August 11 2008 19:33
John McCain, the Republican presidential nominee, on Monday upstaged George W. Bush’s administration over the Georgia crisis with his strongest statement so far calling on the US and its allies to come together in “universal condemnation of Russian aggression”.
Mr McCain, who gave his first response early last Friday several hours before any official word from the Bush administration, said the US should take steps to assist Georgia and other democracies in the region that he said were threatened by Russia’s actions.
“Russia’s aggression against Georgia is both a matter of urgent moral and strategic importance to the United States,” said Mr McCain."The implications go beyond their threat to . . . a democratic Georgia. Russia is using violence against Georgia, in part, to intimidate other neighbours such as Ukraine, for choosing to associate with the west.”
Mr McCain’s statement – his third since the crisis began – stood in clear contrast on Monday to the relatively low-key response of the Bush administration and the Obama campaign. Barack Obama himself issued a statement on Saturday but remains on vacation in Hawaii. President Bush, at the Beijing Olympics on Saturday, expressed “grave concern” about Moscow’s “disproportionate response” in South Ossetia, but did not follow Mr McCain in portraying the crisis as a watershed moment for democracy in the region.
“What is interesting about the US response is that you have the McCain campaign in one corner immediately understanding the significance of Russia’s aggression and in the opposite corner you have the Bush administration standing with the Obama campaign taking a much more diluted stance,” said John Bolton, the former Bush administration ambassador to the United Nations.
However, many detected some echo of Mr McCain’s harder-line stance from Dick Cheney, the vice-president. He told Georgia’s President Mikheil Saakashvili on Sunday that “Russian aggression must not go unanswered” and warned its continuation would have “serious consequences” for US-Russian relations.
Mr Cheney expressed US “solidarity” with Georgia “in the face of this threat to Georgia’s sovereignty and territorial integrity”, according to a White House account of the conversation. A spokesperson for Mr Cheney rejected suggestions that the vice-president was trying to push the administration towards a more hawkish position on the crisis, insisting he was speaking in “unison” with Mr Bush and other US officials.
Others picked up a by now familiar pattern of division and confusion within the administration, which has suffered a depletion of senior personnel and is entering its final months in office. “This crisis is a watershed moment that demands an exceptionally high quality of diplomacy and it is not clear whether this tired and distracted US administration is able to provide that,” said Sarah Mendelson, senior Russia fellow at Washington’s Centre for Strategic and International Security.
Mr McCain’s response, which included recommended policy actions for the administration, has also enabled his campaign to restate its support for a “league of democracies”, which would exclude Russia and include countries such as Georgia. Mr McCain pointed out at the weekend that Russia’s membership of the United Nations Security Council had prevented that body from taking any “meaningful action”.
Mr McCain also called on the Bush administration to redouble its efforts to offer Georgia and Ukraine a membership action plan to join Nato.
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McCain condemnation upstages Bush
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c3508ce2-67d1-11dd-8d3b-0000779fd18c.html
By Edward Luce and Andrew Ward in Washington
Published: August 11 2008 19:33 | Last updated: August 11 2008 19:33
John McCain, the Republican presidential nominee, on Monday upstaged George W. Bush’s administration over the Georgia crisis with his strongest statement so far calling on the US and its allies to come together in “universal condemnation of Russian aggression”.
Mr McCain, who gave his first response early last Friday several hours before any official word from the Bush administration, said the US should take steps to assist Georgia and other democracies in the region that he said were threatened by Russia’s actions.
“Russia’s aggression against Georgia is both a matter of urgent moral and strategic importance to the United States,” said Mr McCain."The implications go beyond their threat to . . . a democratic Georgia. Russia is using violence against Georgia, in part, to intimidate other neighbours such as Ukraine, for choosing to associate with the west.”
Mr McCain’s statement – his third since the crisis began – stood in clear contrast on Monday to the relatively low-key response of the Bush administration and the Obama campaign. Barack Obama himself issued a statement on Saturday but remains on vacation in Hawaii. President Bush, at the Beijing Olympics on Saturday, expressed “grave concern” about Moscow’s “disproportionate response” in South Ossetia, but did not follow Mr McCain in portraying the crisis as a watershed moment for democracy in the region.
“What is interesting about the US response is that you have the McCain campaign in one corner immediately understanding the significance of Russia’s aggression and in the opposite corner you have the Bush administration standing with the Obama campaign taking a much more diluted stance,” said John Bolton, the former Bush administration ambassador to the United Nations.
However, many detected some echo of Mr McCain’s harder-line stance from Dick Cheney, the vice-president. He told Georgia’s President Mikheil Saakashvili on Sunday that “Russian aggression must not go unanswered” and warned its continuation would have “serious consequences” for US-Russian relations.
Mr Cheney expressed US “solidarity” with Georgia “in the face of this threat to Georgia’s sovereignty and territorial integrity”, according to a White House account of the conversation. A spokesperson for Mr Cheney rejected suggestions that the vice-president was trying to push the administration towards a more hawkish position on the crisis, insisting he was speaking in “unison” with Mr Bush and other US officials.
Others picked up a by now familiar pattern of division and confusion within the administration, which has suffered a depletion of senior personnel and is entering its final months in office. “This crisis is a watershed moment that demands an exceptionally high quality of diplomacy and it is not clear whether this tired and distracted US administration is able to provide that,” said Sarah Mendelson, senior Russia fellow at Washington’s Centre for Strategic and International Security.
Mr McCain’s response, which included recommended policy actions for the administration, has also enabled his campaign to restate its support for a “league of democracies”, which would exclude Russia and include countries such as Georgia. Mr McCain pointed out at the weekend that Russia’s membership of the United Nations Security Council had prevented that body from taking any “meaningful action”.
Mr McCain also called on the Bush administration to redouble its efforts to offer Georgia and Ukraine a membership action plan to join Nato.
Nyquist suggesting the Russians are trying to put the Americans in check. Interesting read.
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Russia Invades Georgia
by J. R. Nyquist
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One thing is certain: the Russian invasion of Georgia, if it continues, will mark a turning point. Why are the Russians acting in such a bold manner? Some may speculate that it’s about the price of oil, as the world’s second-longest oil pipeline passes through Georgia. And this point should be considered. But more than anything, the invasion impacts U.S.-Russian relations in a decisive manner. It changes the political atmosphere in Europe and the Far East, in Washington and London and Tokyo. The Kremlin strategists already know that the global economy is headed for trouble. This means growing political weakness within the democratic countries.
Already America has been weakened on many fronts. In strategic terms, this may be the perfect moment for Russia to break with the United States. There may never be a better moment to paint America as an imperialist aggressor. In Washington D.C., however, there is no desire for a break with Russia. American policy-makers have long assumed that Russia is a friendly country. They have assumed that disagreements can be worked out, and peace will prevail. There has been no real preparation for a renewed Cold War. Western politicians pose the following questions: Why should the Russians shoot themselves in the foot? Why should they damage their own economic chances? But these questions misunderstand the real situation.
The Russians see America’s weakness. First and foremost, the Americans are unwilling to bomb Iran. They have upset the Saudis by building a Shiite democracy in Iraq. The Americans have angered the Turks by supporting the Iraqi Kurds. The Americans have weakened NATO by admitting too many FSB/KGB-influenced countries into the NATO fold. The Russian leadership probably feels it is time to tip everything over. It is time to expose America’s weakness. What will President Bush do? By the time you read these words, the White House will probably have issued a statement denouncing the Russian invasion. But will American troops be sent to Georgia?
As for the moral justifications now being mounted by the Kremlin, a few words are necessary. Moscow’s claim of Georgian ethnic cleansing in Ossetia is as cynical as it is hypocritical. One only has to take a look at Chechnya. Russian atrocities in that part of the world are famous. The real issue is the fact that Georgia’s leadership threw off Moscow’s shackles and aligned itself with the United States. Even though there is no formal alliance between the United States and Georgia, the two countries have become close. There are U.S. military advisors in Georgia. The border of NATO is directly to the south. The Russian attack on Georgia may a way of testing NATO. It may, in fact, lead to the unraveling of NATO.
Would the United States send troops to Georgia?
(clip)
Noting the proximity of Azerbaijan to Iran, one ought to speculate on the fact that a war has been brewing between Iran and the U.S. for three years. By invading Georgia the Russians are assuring the Iranians of Moscow’s readiness to confront the U.S. By invading Georgia the Russians are exacerbating the global energy crisis by strengthening all anti-American forces in the Middle East.
The price of oil isn’t merely about oil. It is about food, the U.S. dollar and power-politics. Westerners, however, are always “mystified” when the Russians seem to act contrary to their own economic interest (as if economic interests were the only interests). It is true that Russia has benefitted from high energy prices. More significantly, Russia will benefit even more when the U.S. dollar collapses.
(clip)
If we look at Russian rhetoric and Russian actions over the past nine years we will find a pattern. In recent months the Russians have been acting as if they want to provoke a break with the Americans. They want to put themselves openly and honestly on the other side of the fence. If there is global conflict anywhere in the world the Russian government wants to take the side of America’s enemy. In Venezuela, in Africa, in the Middle East, in the Far East, the Russians want to renew the confrontation between East and West.
And this time they intend to prevail.
http://www.financialsense.com/stormwatch/geo/pastanalysis/2008/0808.html
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Russia Invades Georgia
by J. R. Nyquist
(clip)
One thing is certain: the Russian invasion of Georgia, if it continues, will mark a turning point. Why are the Russians acting in such a bold manner? Some may speculate that it’s about the price of oil, as the world’s second-longest oil pipeline passes through Georgia. And this point should be considered. But more than anything, the invasion impacts U.S.-Russian relations in a decisive manner. It changes the political atmosphere in Europe and the Far East, in Washington and London and Tokyo. The Kremlin strategists already know that the global economy is headed for trouble. This means growing political weakness within the democratic countries.
Already America has been weakened on many fronts. In strategic terms, this may be the perfect moment for Russia to break with the United States. There may never be a better moment to paint America as an imperialist aggressor. In Washington D.C., however, there is no desire for a break with Russia. American policy-makers have long assumed that Russia is a friendly country. They have assumed that disagreements can be worked out, and peace will prevail. There has been no real preparation for a renewed Cold War. Western politicians pose the following questions: Why should the Russians shoot themselves in the foot? Why should they damage their own economic chances? But these questions misunderstand the real situation.
The Russians see America’s weakness. First and foremost, the Americans are unwilling to bomb Iran. They have upset the Saudis by building a Shiite democracy in Iraq. The Americans have angered the Turks by supporting the Iraqi Kurds. The Americans have weakened NATO by admitting too many FSB/KGB-influenced countries into the NATO fold. The Russian leadership probably feels it is time to tip everything over. It is time to expose America’s weakness. What will President Bush do? By the time you read these words, the White House will probably have issued a statement denouncing the Russian invasion. But will American troops be sent to Georgia?
As for the moral justifications now being mounted by the Kremlin, a few words are necessary. Moscow’s claim of Georgian ethnic cleansing in Ossetia is as cynical as it is hypocritical. One only has to take a look at Chechnya. Russian atrocities in that part of the world are famous. The real issue is the fact that Georgia’s leadership threw off Moscow’s shackles and aligned itself with the United States. Even though there is no formal alliance between the United States and Georgia, the two countries have become close. There are U.S. military advisors in Georgia. The border of NATO is directly to the south. The Russian attack on Georgia may a way of testing NATO. It may, in fact, lead to the unraveling of NATO.
Would the United States send troops to Georgia?
(clip)
Noting the proximity of Azerbaijan to Iran, one ought to speculate on the fact that a war has been brewing between Iran and the U.S. for three years. By invading Georgia the Russians are assuring the Iranians of Moscow’s readiness to confront the U.S. By invading Georgia the Russians are exacerbating the global energy crisis by strengthening all anti-American forces in the Middle East.
The price of oil isn’t merely about oil. It is about food, the U.S. dollar and power-politics. Westerners, however, are always “mystified” when the Russians seem to act contrary to their own economic interest (as if economic interests were the only interests). It is true that Russia has benefitted from high energy prices. More significantly, Russia will benefit even more when the U.S. dollar collapses.
(clip)
If we look at Russian rhetoric and Russian actions over the past nine years we will find a pattern. In recent months the Russians have been acting as if they want to provoke a break with the Americans. They want to put themselves openly and honestly on the other side of the fence. If there is global conflict anywhere in the world the Russian government wants to take the side of America’s enemy. In Venezuela, in Africa, in the Middle East, in the Far East, the Russians want to renew the confrontation between East and West.
And this time they intend to prevail.
http://www.financialsense.com/stormwatch/geo/pastanalysis/2008/0808.html
In attacking Georgia Russia will prove what smart Americans have known for years. We are a broke ass economy- with a weak and ineffectual military and ruled by the two biggest fools in the history of this country Bush/Cheney. We have no troops left to put anywhere let alone against Russia.
McCain "Vote for me and I will finish what Bush started- the complete destuction of the U.S !!!"
"A vote for me is a vote for WWIII !!!"
"Let the compulsory Draft begin if you let the warmonger McCain get in.":nohead:
McCain "Vote for me and I will finish what Bush started- the complete destuction of the U.S !!!"
"A vote for me is a vote for WWIII !!!"
"Let the compulsory Draft begin if you let the warmonger McCain get in.":nohead:
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