Gator, thanks for the mention. Honestly I do not mean to sound like I'm bitter about anything involving the SEC. Sometimes I get caught up in responding (in kind) to a few here that thump their chests, but I don't initiate it because I simply don't feel that passionate about it. I fiercely object to anyone that does, either way. To me, nothing is that absolute and often when you do a little digging, there's plenty of things that completely contradict a lot of the irrational claims I see that are made by a few and public perception as well. It's a very dangerous thing to get too caught up in something like how badass some team or conference is because the one guy who is watching all of that is the guy that puts out the lines. They are paid the big bucks because they know the teams and they are very sharp at analyzing all of the above. They know their jobs and make their bosses a lot of money.
The chest thumpers reup their accounts like nobody else. You would be blown away by how many people lose every penny in their accounts following public opinion. Having at one time been a moderator here going back about 10 years, I used to work with the books, many of them, and I know a lot of bookmakers in the Caribbean and in Central America. They make a living on the chest thumpers and public bettors. The few that remain tempered are the wise ones that will win and take the cash home. So if any of my opinions or data has rung a bell, then I'm happy to have been of some service to you.
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Oh and by the way, I did not leave out the years you mentioned as a matter of convenience. I did it because I was looking at THIS decade which is closer to the present and has more relevance than games that were played more than 10 years ago. You think it is me that is trying to put a slant on things to suit my judgments. That is incorrect. What I am doing is providing a counter argument to the opinions and stats etc. that others have stated erroneously. Nothing more. Furthermore, I do not grandstand the Pac-10, just defend against wrong assumptions about it as well as wrong or exaggerated opinions about the SEC. You will never hear me start any conversation beating my chest about the Pac-10 or following public opinion the way it is done by others here.
For years the Pac-10 has been THE MOST MISUNDERSTOOD conference in all of CFB. People here have even given up betting on them. Along with a few others here, I have been trying to right that ship but it's not just misunderstandings we have to contend with, it's also attitudes. That makes our job a lot harder even to the point where I can't do anything but ignore a lot of people that cause trouble by changing a discussion into a flaming war. I can only handle so much of it before I begin to sound just as dumb as they do being that there's so much to respond to, but I am not biased. The public is biased as well as the chest thumpers. That's all anyone needs to know.
For years the Pac-10 has been THE MOST MISUNDERSTOOD conference in all of CFB. People here have even given up betting on them. Along with a few others here, I have been trying to right that ship but it's not just misunderstandings we have to contend with, it's also attitudes. That makes our job a lot harder even to the point where I can't do anything but ignore a lot of people that cause trouble by changing a discussion into a flaming war. I can only handle so much of it before I begin to sound just as dumb as they do being that there's so much to respond to, but I am not biased. The public is biased as well as the chest thumpers. That's all anyone needs to know.
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Conan: It is funny that you use the term "chest thumpers". I immediately envisioned the Floridians wanting to thump their chests with those alligator arms of theirs. Maybe since they can't physically thump their chests they take it out on us on this forum. I also took it one step further. Do Penn State fans thump their tails. I'm not sure what a razorback might do. I imagine a Boilermaker could thump his chest with the best of them if he had the chance. God knows what a Hokie does, or for that matter a Buckeye. And finally, I guess a Terrapin could attempt to thump his chest while laying on his back. Somebody stop me.
I guess I am going through Cancun withdrawals.
I guess I am going through Cancun withdrawals.
I simply cannot believe this thread is still alive. Who gives a shit? I mean really gives a shit?
Does UF have MORE to prove? What the fuck do they have to do? Or LSU or anyone else in the SEC? All of this is falling on the SEC because of the mediocre QB play the last two years. Before no one questioned the SEC. Who cares about OOC scheduling when you have to play 6 teams IN CONFERENCE that are ranked every year. In reality, the PAC10 has lined up against the weak sisters of the SEC except for one time when AU was ranked #1 preseason. MSU was terrible playing against a highly ranked Oregon team, Tennessee was horrible the last few years, but still managed to HAMMER Cal. Yeah that Vol team got roasted by UF a couple of weeks later.
This whole argument is beyond stupid and if the PAC10 had more than one whole team and 3 half teams you wouldn't care.
Like Box said, when the money is on the table the SEC comes to play...and wins.
Does UF have MORE to prove? What the fuck do they have to do? Or LSU or anyone else in the SEC? All of this is falling on the SEC because of the mediocre QB play the last two years. Before no one questioned the SEC. Who cares about OOC scheduling when you have to play 6 teams IN CONFERENCE that are ranked every year. In reality, the PAC10 has lined up against the weak sisters of the SEC except for one time when AU was ranked #1 preseason. MSU was terrible playing against a highly ranked Oregon team, Tennessee was horrible the last few years, but still managed to HAMMER Cal. Yeah that Vol team got roasted by UF a couple of weeks later.
This whole argument is beyond stupid and if the PAC10 had more than one whole team and 3 half teams you wouldn't care.
Like Box said, when the money is on the table the SEC comes to play...and wins.
OK, one last time just to prove my point that some digging proves ignorance and prejudice.
So then everyone the Pac-10 has ever beaten has been lousy. Very inaccurate. Do you really think anyone would believe that? Typical misstatement of the facts, twisted. You conveniently throw Tennessee under a bus to make a point. Did you forget that Cal whupped UT in '07 when the Vols made it to the SECCG. Did you just forget or leave that out deliberately?
You ignore a lot of things to make your points. That's why I'm here to remind you of things like Oregon St's near miss on a freak play in the last minute of their game that cost them a win last year @Utah, the same team that schooled your #2 in a BCS bowl that "tells the real story."
And while your "weak sisters" are losing games to the Pac-10, that's a perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black. LSU takes on UW this year. UW was in a state of complete disarray last season with a coach on his way out -- their star QB injured, winless all year. LSU takes on the weakest sister of them all in the Pac-10 this year. Kind of like USC scheduling Miss St. I could never see that happening. But I can defnitely see an SEC team doing exactly that. They've been doing it for years. 4-0 OOC as usual... what a clever way to virtually guarantee a rank. And you say there's nothing to prove?
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You sound like a typcial SEC homey that thinks the only competition in CFB is in the SEC. I find that to be a completely self serving attitude and it proves nothing without a winning record in real OOC football games aganst real competition during the season like everyone else.
You refuse to accept the fact that the Pac-10 has a winning record this decade vs the SEC (which is closer to the present and is more relevant than games played 10 years ago or more) even without USC. If those "1/2 teams" and nobodies beat you most of the time, then what does that make you?
You refuse to accept the fact that some years, like last year, the Pac-10 conference reloads because the NFL drafted more players from it than any other conference. Even with that fact staring you right in the face, to you they are just USC and a bunch of dwarves. You try to deny that there's any substance to it and you reframe the "time period" just to look good, while accusing me of doing the same thing even if I'm talking more about the present than the past. Even after the Pac-10 reloads and sweeps their bowls you still refuse to see them for what they are. I'm not here to tout them, just to answer the BS you guys constantly spew out. You are prejudice and you can't admit it.
I am not saying that there is not an extra quality team or 2 in the SEC compared to other conferences, but by no means are they as superior as you make them out to be, especially when "the chips are down", as rarely as that might happen over the course of a season compared to other confrerences. Nor is the Pac-10 as inferior as you make them out to be. You deliberately ignore the facts again and again no matter how they are presented. To you the simple fact that the SEC loses more game against the Pac-10 this decade is something you refuse to accept. Isn't it the present that you are so eager to tout?
I have worked for many bookmakers going back a good 10 years or more and I've seen what happens first hand. Your prejudice is the reason why you and most of your homies lose their asses betting every year.. not to mention how classless it is to bandstand and beat your chests.
9 out of 10 posts here where there is someone beating their chest like an ignorant, arrogant and unsportsmanlike asshole was made by an SEC homey. You will NEVER see me pounding my chest over anything USC or any Pac-10 team has done, even when they clobber a team like Arkansas in their own house worse than any SEC team has ever done in its entire history. A second tier (at the time) Oregon St. team travels to LSU and comes within any one of 3 muffed extra points of taking down your #1. According to you, LSU should have clocked them, but instead one of the 9 so called dwarves came within a kick of beating them outright. I only bring that up to put things back into perspective, Because of your fat egos, that's somewthing you CAN'T do. So don't accuse me of shit. The only reason I make the points I do and provide the stats I do is to answer to all the prejudice and bullshit you guys consistently spew around here. You respect no one.
I know I speak for a lot of others and that's what I am doing now. As long as this kind of ignorance and arrogance pervades this board, I'll will say something about it. Until you assholes learn some sportsmanship and respect you don't deserve any for yourself.
Let them prove that they can win vs a ranked team on the road (cupcakes excluded) like every other major BCS school, especially Pac-10 schools. Show us some guts and take on a real ffooball team OOC instead of their homies just a bus ride away. If you think road games and big mileage doesn't prove the mettle of a team like nothing else, that's because you don't know anything about it from never having done it.
Anyone else -- a typical exaggeration which is why I make these points.
More exaggeration, typical. So you are saying that out of 8 conference games, every team plays 6 teams that are ranked every year? This is a typical exaggeration, an ignorant statement and untrue. Maybe if they played some real OOC competition, they wouldn't be 4-0 in non-conf games and they wouldn't be ranked the way they have been. Meanwhile, the season right after the shitty Pac-10 places more NFL players in the draft than all the other conferences (inclucing the SEC with more teams), you hop on the bandwagon, calling them a weak conference in spite of the fact that thier competition would probably have gone undefeated vs the SEC's OOC competition. How ironic that the after the "9 dwarves" were gutted by the NFL, they swept their bowl games most of them vs ranked teams. That shows depth, something you can't possibly understand with the attitudes you have.
So then everyone the Pac-10 has ever beaten has been lousy. Very inaccurate. Do you really think anyone would believe that? Typical misstatement of the facts, twisted. You conveniently throw Tennessee under a bus to make a point. Did you forget that Cal whupped UT in '07 when the Vols made it to the SECCG. Did you just forget or leave that out deliberately?
You ignore a lot of things to make your points. That's why I'm here to remind you of things like Oregon St's near miss on a freak play in the last minute of their game that cost them a win last year @Utah, the same team that schooled your #2 in a BCS bowl that "tells the real story."
And while your "weak sisters" are losing games to the Pac-10, that's a perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black. LSU takes on UW this year. UW was in a state of complete disarray last season with a coach on his way out -- their star QB injured, winless all year. LSU takes on the weakest sister of them all in the Pac-10 this year. Kind of like USC scheduling Miss St. I could never see that happening. But I can defnitely see an SEC team doing exactly that. They've been doing it for years. 4-0 OOC as usual... what a clever way to virtually guarantee a rank. And you say there's nothing to prove?
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You sound like a typcial SEC homey that thinks the only competition in CFB is in the SEC. I find that to be a completely self serving attitude and it proves nothing without a winning record in real OOC football games aganst real competition during the season like everyone else.
You refuse to accept the fact that the Pac-10 has a winning record this decade vs the SEC (which is closer to the present and is more relevant than games played 10 years ago or more) even without USC. If those "1/2 teams" and nobodies beat you most of the time, then what does that make you?
You refuse to accept the fact that some years, like last year, the Pac-10 conference reloads because the NFL drafted more players from it than any other conference. Even with that fact staring you right in the face, to you they are just USC and a bunch of dwarves. You try to deny that there's any substance to it and you reframe the "time period" just to look good, while accusing me of doing the same thing even if I'm talking more about the present than the past. Even after the Pac-10 reloads and sweeps their bowls you still refuse to see them for what they are. I'm not here to tout them, just to answer the BS you guys constantly spew out. You are prejudice and you can't admit it.
I am not saying that there is not an extra quality team or 2 in the SEC compared to other conferences, but by no means are they as superior as you make them out to be, especially when "the chips are down", as rarely as that might happen over the course of a season compared to other confrerences. Nor is the Pac-10 as inferior as you make them out to be. You deliberately ignore the facts again and again no matter how they are presented. To you the simple fact that the SEC loses more game against the Pac-10 this decade is something you refuse to accept. Isn't it the present that you are so eager to tout?
I have worked for many bookmakers going back a good 10 years or more and I've seen what happens first hand. Your prejudice is the reason why you and most of your homies lose their asses betting every year.. not to mention how classless it is to bandstand and beat your chests.
9 out of 10 posts here where there is someone beating their chest like an ignorant, arrogant and unsportsmanlike asshole was made by an SEC homey. You will NEVER see me pounding my chest over anything USC or any Pac-10 team has done, even when they clobber a team like Arkansas in their own house worse than any SEC team has ever done in its entire history. A second tier (at the time) Oregon St. team travels to LSU and comes within any one of 3 muffed extra points of taking down your #1. According to you, LSU should have clocked them, but instead one of the 9 so called dwarves came within a kick of beating them outright. I only bring that up to put things back into perspective, Because of your fat egos, that's somewthing you CAN'T do. So don't accuse me of shit. The only reason I make the points I do and provide the stats I do is to answer to all the prejudice and bullshit you guys consistently spew around here. You respect no one.
I know I speak for a lot of others and that's what I am doing now. As long as this kind of ignorance and arrogance pervades this board, I'll will say something about it. Until you assholes learn some sportsmanship and respect you don't deserve any for yourself.
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:toast: LT
I'm not sure what to think. Sure they look strong but what if someone gets hurt or they lose a couple of games on humbug plays or bad luck. I don't know the odds on them either. Not sure there's any value. It strikes me as one of those things that's too obvious (at least on paper) to hit. It seems that preseason favorites have not gone all the way for a long time.
:lol: IMO he's spot on
ill even cheer for Florida some if i can get a promise this lady will speak again next year
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There's a reason why few teams have ever won back to back titles....it's really hard to do. Aside from being a great team, you also need a little luck. With today's parity and this screwed up bcs system, I would say it to be a bold statement to claim they will repeat. I'd bet with history and the field.
