Gallup Shows OBamaCare Numbers Releasde by White House are ----> Horse Shit (no surprise here)

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personally makes me think it was done on purpose. if you REALLY wanted the data it was more than simple enough to get but by not asking it keeps the party lines alive and well for both sides to manipulate the situation to their benefit.

i don't think it's a horrible thing that uninsured are insured whether it's 858k, 1.4M, or 5M but i will never agree with the way it was created and I have major concerns about what this all means, long-term. Just another idea that has turned into a political shell game and likely helping very few people while potentially hurting a larger share.

good times

Duh? I don’t think it was done on purpose, I know it was done on purpose.

Obama knows that whatever he says, no mater how incredibly idiotic it may sound, his base will feverishly gather to masturbate in it’s defense.

That’s just the way it is and I’ve come to accept it. Like I’ve said many times, you can’t fix stupid.
 

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But isn't this the inevitable outcome whenever government gets involved and all the inefficient paraphernalia they drag along with them, including lobbyists?

Healthcare is now part of the political circus... boo-fucking-hoo. The left has been destroying a perfectly viable commodity for decades.

As opposed to the free market system where an unsatisfied customer would simply keep shopping until they found a doctor that met all their requirements at a desirable price - as routine as getting an oil change for their car.

But noooooooooo...the left believes "healthcare is a HUMAN RIGHT!" :puke1:

Above and beyond everything that is wrong with Obamacare that is the most disturbing.

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But isn't this the inevitable outcome whenever government gets involved and all the inefficient paraphernalia they drag along with them, including lobbyists?

Lobbyists or good friends:

The doctor who was paid the most by Medicare last year is well known to many in the political world. His office was raided twice last year by the FBI, and his relationship with New Jersey Democratic Sen. Bob Menendez has drawn scrutiny from federal investigators.

Data released Wednesday by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services showed Dr. Salomon Melgen, a South Florida ophthalmologist, received nearly $21 million in Medicare reimbursements in 2012.



http://www.businessinsider.com/salomon-melgen-medicare-reimbursements-top-21-million-2014-4
 

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Except I've never done that, you idiot liar.

You simply can not, will not, post on any subject here without making up comically stupid things such as this.

Numerous Times, but you are a blatant, shameless liar, who does nothing but lie, so it's expected by the few sane here who just laugh at how shameless you are, and thank the lord that they don't have to sink to your pathetic level.
 
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Numerous Times, but you are a blatant, shameless liar, who does nothing but lie, so it's expected by the few sane here who just laugh at how shameless you are, and thank the lord that they don't have to sink to your pathetic level.

There's no one in here but you Guesser that is "laughing at how shameless Acebb is." You live in your own little dream world.
 

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There's no one in here but you Guesser that is "laughing at how shameless Acebb is." You live in your own little dream world.

Hardly, Zit. Those outside of the Cult and Amen Chorus, which is a small minority down in this partisan hack hellhole, see Ace for exactly what he is, and has demonstrated himself to be time and again, a shameless liar. He's been caught at it numerous times, and he just goes on doing it, so all one can do is call him what he is again and again, and move on. The Liar called me out on not being able to mention any bad about Obama without mentioning Bush(a PROVEN Lie), called me out on always siding with, and backing Obama(a PROVEN Lie), etc. Yet he keeps on lying.
 
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Hardly, Zit. Those outside of the Cult and Amen Chorus, which is a small minority down in this partisan hack hellhole, see Ace for exactly what he is, and has demonstrated himself to be time and again, a shameless liar. He's been caught at it numerous times, and he just goes on doing it, so all one can do is call him what he is again and again, and move on. The Liar called me out on not being able to mention any bad about Obama without mentioning Bush(a PROVEN Lie), called me out on always siding with, and backing Obama(a PROVEN Lie), etc. Yet he keeps on lying.

Um, your blather above is so weak, that's all you got? I could accuse you of being a proven liar 2 posts back where you said, and I quote:

"but you are a blatant, shameless liar, who does nothing but lie, so it's expected by the few sane here who just laugh at how shameless you are,"

This is a blatant lie on your part, because:

#1. You know full well that it is not true that Acebb "does nothing but lie"

#2. You know full well that there are sane people in here who don't laugh at Acebb's "shamelessness"

So... YOU are the blatant liar.

See, we can all play this gay little rhetoric game.
 

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Um, your blather above is so weak, that's all you got? I could accuse you of being a proven liar 2 posts back where you said, and I quote:

"but you are a blatant, shameless liar, who does nothing but lie, so it's expected by the few sane here who just laugh at how shameless you are,"

This is a blatant lie on your part, because:

#1. You know full well that it is not true that Acebb "does nothing but lie"

#2. You know full well that there are sane people in here who don't laugh at Acebb's "shamelessness"

So... YOU are the blatant liar.

See, we can all play this gay little rhetoric game.
#1- No I don't. He does nothing but lie, is a true statement.
#2- No I don't. If you're sane and pay attention, you certainly do laugh at Ace's shamelessness. It's unbelievably blatant.
No game at all, gay or straight.
 
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#1- No I don't. He does nothing but lie, is a true statement.
#2- No I don't. If you're sane and pay attention, you certainly do laugh at Ace's shamelessness. It's unbelievably blatant.
No game at all, gay or straight.

You have no shame.
 

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Hardly, Zit. Those outside of the Cult and Amen Chorus, which is a small minority down in this partisan hack hellhole, see Ace for exactly what he is, and has demonstrated himself to be time and again, a shameless liar. He's been caught at it numerous times, and he just goes on doing it, so all one can do is call him what he is again and again, and move on. The Liar called me out on not being able to mention any bad about Obama without mentioning Bush(a PROVEN Lie), called me out on always siding with, and backing Obama(a PROVEN Lie), etc. Yet he keeps on lying.

100% accurate. That clown lies more than Sheriff Joe. Big time psycho. No surprise the cheerleading bitch festeringZit is defending him
 

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You have no shame.

I do. I've stopped or lessened some activities down here when certain people I respect(and that includes you) have pointed out that I may be crossing a line in some cases. But not when pointing out what Ace is. You have no shame for defending the liar in any way.
 

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Numerous Times, but you are a blatant, shameless liar, who does nothing but lie,

You can point to exactly zero examples of my being critical of someone for "mentioning Bush's name" as you claim.

None.

You can also point to zero examples of my lying as you claim.

Your entire post was projection, dimwit.
 

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You can point to exactly zero examples of my being critical of someone for "mentioning Bush's name" as you claim.

None.

You can also point to zero examples of my lying as you claim.

Your entire post was projection, dimwit.
One of MANY. LIAR doing what it always does, LIE. Vile, Shameless LIAR.
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Once again, you simply can not comment in a thread containing criticisms of Obama without typing the word "Bush"

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Except I have done it. Often. Last time I did it you ran away and hid. Like the coward you are, instead of admitting you were dead wrong. That's why you are the Closest thing to Wrong Way there is on this forum, without being him.​
 

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Resident goof the guesser has now been reduced to pretending that me mentioning President Bush merely by the virtue of the fact that he was President in 2008, is the same thing as bring up & criticizing Bush in threads where the topic is President Obama.

Mainly because resident goof is either that dumb or pathetically dishonest.

Actually, both.
 

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Resident goof the guesser has now been reduced to pretending that me mentioning President Bush merely by the virtue of the fact that he was President in 2008, is the same thing as bring up & criticizing Bush in threads where the topic is President Obama.

Mainly because resident goof is either that dumb or pathetically dishonest.

Actually, both.

Pathetic Liar Ace caught in a lie again, goes on to lie again. An endless cycle of lies, by a cretin that knows no other way.
 

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Pathetic Liar Ace caught in a lie again, goes on to lie again. An endless cycle of lies, by a cretin that knows no other way.

Notice the resident goof can not provide an example of any "lie" and in fact, "lies" to the resident goof are actually facts.

But please, idiot, go on pretending that you've exposed some "hypocrisy" and that you pathetically trying to change the topic of threads that criticize Obama is the same as me mentioning President Bush here.

It suits you.
 

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Two New Studies Raise Red Flags on Obamacare
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By Edward Morrissey 5 hours ago

Barack Obama wasted little time last week declaring victory as the deadline for enrollment in Affordable Care Act exchanges expired – well, more or less, anyway. The White House celebrated as it announced that 7.1 million consumers had signed up for health insurance through the federal and state exchanges, slightly exceeding their original goals and significantly outpacing expectations after the disastrous rollout of Obamacare last October. “The debate over repealing this law is over,” President Obama told the press on April 1. “The Affordable Care Act is here to stay.”

Last week, that sounded like wishful thinking. Two new studies released this week prove it.

Before we get to these studies, though, we should recognize why we need outside organizations to validate White House claims in the first place. The Department of Health and Human Services still has no way to quantify important data about those consumers signing up for health insurance through state and federal exchanges.

More than six months after the initial rollout of Obamacare -- and four years after the ACA’s passage -- the systems designed by HHS still cannot determine basic and critical information about enrollments such as whether a premium payment has been made. Without a premium payment, a sign-up in the web portal does not mean coverage has been extended.

Furthermore, the systems were not designed to collect important demographic information such as pre-existing coverage, current health status, or even definite age ranges, even though the success of the Obamacare structure depends on getting previously uninsured healthy Americans locked into expensive comprehensive insurance.

Without the “young invincibles” providing new funding for risk pools that now have to cover older and less-healthy consumers under “community pricing” restrictions, premiums will escalate rapidly, forcing more consumers out of the system and triggering the dreaded “death spiral” for insurers.

In order to determine the scope of the celebration, then, we need outside surveys to give us an idea of the size and composition of the actual enrollment population in Obamacare. The first of the independent studies comes from the RAND Corporation, which studied the changes in the health insurance market between September 2013 – just before the rollout of the state exchanges – and the end of the open-enrollment period at the end of last month.

While the White House can claim credit for a net increase of 9.3 million insured and a lowered uninsured rate from 20.5 percent to 15.8 percent, the data provides a significantly different picture than that painted by President Obama and the ACA’s advocates.

First, a significant amount of this increase comes from Medicaid enrollments, not private insurance. Almost six million people enrolled in Medicaid, and earlier studies showed that a relatively small number of those came from the expansion built into the ACA; most of these would have been Medicaid-eligible prior to the reform.

Another 8.2 million more people enrolled in employer-provided health care, as 7.1 million left the “other” category and another 1.6 million left the individual insurance markets. Only 3.9 million actually enrolled in insurance plans through state or federal exchanges – not 7.1 million as claimed by Obama. That number falls far short of even the lowered expectations issued by HHS and the White House earlier this year.

Moreover, those who did enroll through the state exchanges didn’t provide the demographic lift and risk-pool support needed to prevent massive increases in either premiums or deductibles, or both, in the near future. Pharmacy benefit manager Express Scripts, which collected more data from insurers than HHS managed through its own exchanges, determined that the incoming enrollees require more medical attention than the previous risk pools, not less – which means that insurers will need to raise premiums even more than first thought.

Their new study shows, for instance, that the enrollees from state and federal exchanges have a 47 percent higher use of specialty medications than in commercial plans in general. “Increased volume for higher cost specialty drugs can have a significant impact on the cost burden for both plan sponsors and patients,” the report reminds readers. “Despite comprising less than 1 percent of all U.S. prescriptions,” the report continues, “specialty medications now account for more than a quarter of the country’s total pharmacy spend.”

The medications themselves show that the care costs will increase relative to the existing risk pools as well. The rate for HIV medications in Obamacare exchange plans is four times higher than in existing commercial plans. Medication prescriptions are 35 percent higher, and anti-seizure medication increases 27 percent. Ironically, the only category where exchange consumers have lower demand than commercial-plan customers is in contraception – the focus of a big political battle in the employer mandate.

As Express Scripts, which studied changes in pharmacy benefits concludes that the ACA has succeeded in getting coverage to consumers who need it. However, that comes at a high cost for those who had their existing coverage canceled and saw their premiums and deductibles skyrocket as a result of Obamacare. Furthermore, the number of those who gained coverage may be even smaller than the RAND study concluded.

Of those who enrolled in an exchange plan, Express Scripts finds, 43 percent already had Express Scripts coverage in 2013 – and at least some of the other 57 percent may have had coverage under another prescription-medication management service. If the total number of actual exchange enrollees is 3.9 million, the final number of previously uninsured exchange consumers may be only as high as 2.23 million.

The debate on the law is far from over. When the next round of premium increases hits over the summer, and the market for employer-provided health insurance undergoes the same kind of massive disruption as the individual market did over the last six months, the debate over the honesty and integrity of the Obama administration may hit new levels of intensity.
 

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^^^

Two New Studies Raise Red Flags on Obamacare

If you’re a Liberal they don’t.

Liberalism is like a religion, Obama is their god and Obamacare is their bible.

No matter how many red flags are raised their faith will not be shaken.
 

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Maybe after he turns them upside down and shakes the loose change out of their pockets they will be shaken.

This thing is a mess and there's no way around that.
 

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At least 7.5 million people have signed up for health coverage through the Obamacare exchanges, and the number is still rising, HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Thursday.


President Barack Obama had said that 7.1 million Americans enrolled as of April 1, but that tally didn’t count all the last-minute enrollment surge numbers from state-run exchanges or the people allowed to complete signup after March 31.

“As of this week, 400,000 additional Americans have signed up and we expect that number to continue to grow,” Sebelius told a Senate Finance Committee hearing. People who had trouble completing their signup by the March 31 deadline were given until April 15 to finish in the federal exchange that serves 36 states. Some states are allowing a longer grace period.

Not everyone who signs up pays their insurance premiums so the final enrollment number is likely to be lower. But these numbers surpassed the White House target of 7 million signups — a projection set by the Congressional Budget Office before the HealthCare.gov website disaster last October. CBO had later revised its estimate to 6 million, but the signup surge blew past that benchmark in late March.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/obamacare-enrollment-numbers-105572.html#ixzz2yVEpez5g


Bring out the brooms boys!! Obama in a clean sweep on you degenerates!
 

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