That's the Long Term goal, NOT the 1st year of the program realistic goal. The long term success or failure of the program is unknown at this time and won't be known for years, in spite of your eagerness to proclaim it not a success, in the infancy of the program. What IS a success is the number of signups exceeding the initial stated goal. That cannot be spun, in spite of the partisan attempts to do so. When the number was far below the expected numbers early on, the numbers were unchallenged by any partisan hackery, and they were acknowledged as a disappointing number by ALL sides. Only when the number started approaching the initial goal, did the spin begin to discredit the numbers.
Rand's study says only 4 million "sign ups", which is really nothing more than clicking a few buttons on a website.
http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR600/RR656/RAND_RR656.pdf
And how many have actually paid? 10-20%?
What a joke!
http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR600/RR656/RAND_RR656.pdf
And how many have actually paid? 10-20%?
What a joke!
Latest ObamaCare surprise: Most won't be able to buy health insurance until end of year
By Jim Angle
Published April 09, 2014FoxNews.com
March 27, 2014: People wait in line at a health insurance enrollment event in Cudahy, Calif.REUTERS
There is yet another ObamaCare surprise waiting for consumers: from now until the next open enrollment at the end of this year, most people will simply not be able to buy any health insurance at all, even outside the exchanges.
"It's all closed down. You cannot buy a policy that is a qualified policy for the purpose of the ACA (the Affordable Care Act) until next year on January 1," says John DiVito, president of Flexbenefit which has 2,500 brokers.
John Goodman of the National Center for Policy Analysis in Dallas adds, "People are not going to be able to buy individual and family policies, and that's part of ObamaCare. And what makes it so surprising is the whole point of ObamaCare was to encourage people to get insurance, and now the market has been completely closed down for the next seven months."
That means that with few exceptions, tens of millions of people will be locked out of the health insurance market for the rest of this year.
Only about one in four subsidy-eligible people signed up for health insurance," says Robert Laszewski of Health Policy Associates. "That means about 13 million subsidy-eligible people have not yet signed up for health insurance."
Add to that millions more who waited, or thought the policies under ObamaCare were too expensive and decided just to pay the tax penalty.
Although those who failed to buy insurance during the enrollment period could face a government penalty, most will not have to pay that penalty until they do their taxes next year.
“In all likelihood," says Laszewski, "we've only signed up somewhere between one in five and one in seven people who were uninsured prior to the start of ObamaCare."
That means millions are left outside the health insurance market. There is short term insurance, but anyone with a pre-existing condition can be turned down.
The reason sales of health insurance were crammed into short enrollment periods was so insurance companies would have some certainty about who would be in the risk pool, allowing them to set their rates accordingly.
Goodman explains, "they fear that the only people who will try to buy are people who are sick, and they are going to be expensive. So it’s built into the screwy logic of the whole ObamaCare system."
DiVito puts it this way: "So can you imagine that on July 1, an indvidual's walking down the street, they get hit by a car, the ambulance comes and picks them up and inside that ambulance is an insurance salesman selling them a policy. That is exactly what the insurance industry was trying to avoid."
There is one way consumers can still sign up, but only under limited circumstances.
"If you have a qualifying event, a life qualifying event, which means you get married, you get divorced, you get fired from your job" says Goodman. Or you have a child, or lose a spouse or have a change in income.
"It has to be one of those kinds of events,” he adds. “And if you don’t have that, you're not going to be able to buy insurance."
Barring any of those so-called life events, tens of millions will remain uninsured and won't be able to buy health insurance, no matter how hard they try.
By Jim Angle
Published April 09, 2014FoxNews.com
March 27, 2014: People wait in line at a health insurance enrollment event in Cudahy, Calif.REUTERSThere is yet another ObamaCare surprise waiting for consumers: from now until the next open enrollment at the end of this year, most people will simply not be able to buy any health insurance at all, even outside the exchanges.
"It's all closed down. You cannot buy a policy that is a qualified policy for the purpose of the ACA (the Affordable Care Act) until next year on January 1," says John DiVito, president of Flexbenefit which has 2,500 brokers.
John Goodman of the National Center for Policy Analysis in Dallas adds, "People are not going to be able to buy individual and family policies, and that's part of ObamaCare. And what makes it so surprising is the whole point of ObamaCare was to encourage people to get insurance, and now the market has been completely closed down for the next seven months."
That means that with few exceptions, tens of millions of people will be locked out of the health insurance market for the rest of this year.
Only about one in four subsidy-eligible people signed up for health insurance," says Robert Laszewski of Health Policy Associates. "That means about 13 million subsidy-eligible people have not yet signed up for health insurance."
Add to that millions more who waited, or thought the policies under ObamaCare were too expensive and decided just to pay the tax penalty.
Although those who failed to buy insurance during the enrollment period could face a government penalty, most will not have to pay that penalty until they do their taxes next year.
“In all likelihood," says Laszewski, "we've only signed up somewhere between one in five and one in seven people who were uninsured prior to the start of ObamaCare."
That means millions are left outside the health insurance market. There is short term insurance, but anyone with a pre-existing condition can be turned down.
The reason sales of health insurance were crammed into short enrollment periods was so insurance companies would have some certainty about who would be in the risk pool, allowing them to set their rates accordingly.
Goodman explains, "they fear that the only people who will try to buy are people who are sick, and they are going to be expensive. So it’s built into the screwy logic of the whole ObamaCare system."
DiVito puts it this way: "So can you imagine that on July 1, an indvidual's walking down the street, they get hit by a car, the ambulance comes and picks them up and inside that ambulance is an insurance salesman selling them a policy. That is exactly what the insurance industry was trying to avoid."
There is one way consumers can still sign up, but only under limited circumstances.
"If you have a qualifying event, a life qualifying event, which means you get married, you get divorced, you get fired from your job" says Goodman. Or you have a child, or lose a spouse or have a change in income.
"It has to be one of those kinds of events,” he adds. “And if you don’t have that, you're not going to be able to buy insurance."
Barring any of those so-called life events, tens of millions will remain uninsured and won't be able to buy health insurance, no matter how hard they try.
Polls are an exact science to Republicans if it backs their opinions. But if not, get the scalpels out, it's time to dissect every little piece of shit statement in the poll to make it seem bad. Unreal how they believe whatever they read as long as it supports their opinion.
But festeringZit is a dumb little cheerleading bitch, so it makes sense.
But festeringZit is a dumb little cheerleading bitch, so it makes sense.
RAND Comes Clean: Obamacare's Exchanges Enrolled Only 1.4 Million Previously Uninsured Individuals:
The report indicated that only one-third of Obamacare’s purported 7.1 million exchange sign-ups were from the previously uninsured. But Noam Levey, the author of the Times article, didn’t disclose RAND’s actual findings as to the actual number of previously uninsured exchange enrollees. Well, now we know why. RAND published the full report yesterday; it indicates that Obamacare’s exchanges only enrolled 1.4 million previously uninsured individuals.
That 1.4 million is out of a total of 3.9 million exchange enrollees overall. That is to say, a little over a third of enrollees—36 percent—were previously uninsured. RAND’s figures don’t take into account the last few weeks of the Obamacare open enrollment period, and they contain a substantial margin of error, due to the study’s small sample size. (RAND surveyed 2,425 individuals aged 18 to 64; the 1.4 million figure has a margin of error of 700,000, meaning that there is a 95 percent probability that the actual number is between 700,000 and 2.1 million previously uninsured enrollees.)
Notably, RAND finds that outside of employer-sponsored insurance, Obamacare’s impact on the uninsured has been minimal thus far—a net of 1.1 million between Medicaid (+5.9 million), the exchanges (+3.9 million), off-exchange individually-purchased insurance (-1.6 million), and other forms of insurance, such as coverage for federal employees and the military (-7.1 million).
The report indicated that only one-third of Obamacare’s purported 7.1 million exchange sign-ups were from the previously uninsured. But Noam Levey, the author of the Times article, didn’t disclose RAND’s actual findings as to the actual number of previously uninsured exchange enrollees. Well, now we know why. RAND published the full report yesterday; it indicates that Obamacare’s exchanges only enrolled 1.4 million previously uninsured individuals.
That 1.4 million is out of a total of 3.9 million exchange enrollees overall. That is to say, a little over a third of enrollees—36 percent—were previously uninsured. RAND’s figures don’t take into account the last few weeks of the Obamacare open enrollment period, and they contain a substantial margin of error, due to the study’s small sample size. (RAND surveyed 2,425 individuals aged 18 to 64; the 1.4 million figure has a margin of error of 700,000, meaning that there is a 95 percent probability that the actual number is between 700,000 and 2.1 million previously uninsured enrollees.)
Notably, RAND finds that outside of employer-sponsored insurance, Obamacare’s impact on the uninsured has been minimal thus far—a net of 1.1 million between Medicaid (+5.9 million), the exchanges (+3.9 million), off-exchange individually-purchased insurance (-1.6 million), and other forms of insurance, such as coverage for federal employees and the military (-7.1 million).
Laughable.
Note you actually do not understand that "signups" do not = enrollments
Of course when you're so comically ignorant, those words are the same.
“That was never our target number. That was a target that came from the Congressional Budget Office, and it has become an accepted number. There’s no magic to the 7 million. What there is magic to is that in the month of December a million Americans signed up for insurance.”
– White House aide Phil Schiliro, interview on MSNBC, Dec. 31, 2013
So in other words, now that the numbers can be manipulated by the White House, they are "real"
Why do you come here each day, to show everyone how abjectly stupid you are?
it's this type of number shell game that shows how ridiculous our partisan politics have become. seriously, how difficult should it be to figure out the amount of the 7M enrolled are NEWLY insured? Just put a question on signup page 1 asking if you are currently insured or were covered in 2013. done!
instead i see one article that says 858,000 then the one last week claiming 9M (which was tremendous since the WH themselves say 7M total)....and now i see this thread with 1.4M but then this article claims 5M
http://thegrio.com/2014/04/03/think-tank-estimates-5-million-newly-insured-because-of-obamacare/
if we can't have accurate data for something so easily obtained how can anyone trust these numbers?
instead i see one article that says 858,000 then the one last week claiming 9M (which was tremendous since the WH themselves say 7M total)....and now i see this thread with 1.4M but then this article claims 5M
http://thegrio.com/2014/04/03/think-tank-estimates-5-million-newly-insured-because-of-obamacare/
if we can't have accurate data for something so easily obtained how can anyone trust these numbers?
personally makes me think it was done on purpose. if you REALLY wanted the data it was more than simple enough to get but by not asking it keeps the party lines alive and well for both sides to manipulate the situation to their benefit.
i don't think it's a horrible thing that uninsured are insured whether it's 858k, 1.4M, or 5M but i will never agree with the way it was created and I have major concerns about what this all means, long-term. Just another idea that has turned into a political shell game and likely helping very few people while potentially hurting a larger share.
good times
But isn't this the inevitable outcome whenever government gets involved and all the inefficient paraphernalia they drag along with them, including lobbyists?
Healthcare is now part of the political circus... boo-fucking-hoo. The left has been destroying a perfectly viable commodity for decades.
As opposed to the free market system where an unsatisfied customer would simply keep shopping until they found a doctor that met all their requirements at a desirable price - as routine as getting an oil change for their car.
But noooooooooo...the left believes "healthcare is a HUMAN RIGHT!"
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