FSU/UF line in two weeks

[Low Rollin' 'Noles Fan]

Guys your insane if you think UF is laying more than 2 scores @ FSU. FSU is still a very talented team that should be able to hang fairly tight against UF. I feel like this will be FSU's bowl game, as its their chance to show they have something to prove.

If I can get anything close to what you guys are throwing out there, I'm all over the Seminoles with Mr. Smith

The problem is that this has been FSU's "bowl game" for the past 4 years and it hasn't mattered, UF still comes out the victor. Having witnessed all 4 games live, it hasn't been fun. Sure, FSU has given them all they can handle at Doak, but I just don't see how FSU can stop UF's option offense.

The single greatest weakness of this FSU defense is defending the option read that Wake runs well, GT runs superbly, and, incredibly, Chris mother-trucking Crane ran tonight with jaw-dropping efficiency. It's FSU's weakness versus UF's strength.

And even if FSU manages to nut-up and stop the run with some efficiency, it's gonna leave corners 1 vs. 1 on the outside. Or worse, Myron Rolle. And while I have great faith that Tony Carter can guard just about anybody in the county regardless of his small stature, I'm not sold on anybody else in the secondary being able to do the same. Both Robinsons and Garvin don't bother turning their head and if they don't get burned, are just as likely to get a pass interference call.

I love FSU's defense and am very confident that they are one of the top 5 most *talented* teams in the country. The problem is that in a few key areas, they are poorly coached and/or poorly disciplined and/or incapable of making the necessary reads/plays that it takes to defend a particular offensive strategy, namely, the read option that UF runs so well with Tebow, Harvin, Demps, and Rainey.

I just don't see how this defense slows UF down. UF will have to do that themselves, and then you're really just betting on a UF letdown, not an FSU cover.

I do still think FSU will be able to score some points. UF's defense is not the world-beaters they've begun to look like. Yes, they're young, gelling, and thus improving with each week, but the DL isn't the greatest, and the secondary is very, very young. Assuming FSU has all of its players, they will have the most playmakers of any team UF has faced. More than Miami, more than LSU, and more than UGA. FSU really is loaded at WR, and that's not homer speaking - that's fact. All Jimbo and Ponder have to do is get the ball in those playmakers' hands, and then we've got ourselves a shootout.

I don't know what this line will be, but the answer as to who covers will revolve around whether UF comes to play (ie, efficiency on offense or not), and whether FSU can take advantage of its offensive talent and expose a young Gator defense that has only been tested once in a tight game (and failed against Ole Miss).

Should be an interesting matchup though. Maybe a few of our backup WR's can start another brawl at midfield before the game and get Tebow, Harvin, James, and Spikes all ejected...

 

[jimmyshivers]

The problem is that this has been FSU's "bowl game" for the past 4 years and it hasn't mattered, UF still comes out the victor. Having witnessed all 4 games live, it hasn't been fun. Sure, FSU has given them all they can handle at Doak, but I just don't see how FSU can stop UF's option offense.

The single greatest weakness of this FSU defense is defending the option read that Wake runs well, GT runs superbly, and, incredibly, Chris mother-trucking Crane ran tonight with jaw-dropping efficiency. It's FSU's weakness versus UF's strength.

And even if FSU manages to nut-up and stop the run with some efficiency, it's gonna leave corners 1 vs. 1 on the outside. Or worse, Myron Rolle. And while I have great faith that Tony Carter can guard just about anybody in the county regardless of his small stature, I'm not sold on anybody else in the secondary being able to do the same. Both Robinsons and Garvin don't bother turning their head and if they don't get burned, are just as likely to get a pass interference call.

I love FSU's defense and am very confident that they are one of the top 5 most *talented* teams in the country. The problem is that in a few key areas, they are poorly coached and/or poorly disciplined and/or incapable of making the necessary reads/plays that it takes to defend a particular offensive strategy, namely, the read option that UF runs so well with Tebow, Harvin, Demps, and Rainey.

I just don't see how this defense slows UF down. UF will have to do that themselves, and then you're really just betting on a UF letdown, not an FSU cover.

I do still think FSU will be able to score some points. UF's defense is not the world-beaters they've begun to look like. Yes, they're young, gelling, and thus improving with each week, but the DL isn't the greatest, and the secondary is very, very young. Assuming FSU has all of its players, they will have the most playmakers of any team UF has faced. More than Miami, more than LSU, and more than UGA. FSU really is loaded at WR, and that's not homer speaking - that's fact. All Jimbo and Ponder have to do is get the ball in those playmakers' hands, and then we've got ourselves a shootout.

I don't know what this line will be, but the answer as to who covers will revolve around whether UF comes to play (ie, efficiency on offense or not), and whether FSU can take advantage of its offensive talent and expose a young Gator defense that has only been tested once in a tight game (and failed against Ole Miss).

Should be an interesting matchup though. Maybe a few of our backup WR's can start another brawl at midfield before the game and get Tebow, Harvin, James, and Spikes all ejected...

This is a fantastically objective post, and whoever is betting this game in 2 weeks needs to read it; although you might be a little too down after a tough loss. I really like this FSU team (I saw the letdown coming tonight) and I think they can hang with UF. You have to remember this is a MAJOR letdown spot for the Gators as they have their Final Four game with Bama right after. Personally I think FSU has the personnel to be competitive here.

 

[Low Rollin' 'Noles Fan]

I just can't buy into the idea that it's a letdown spot for the Gators.

Not the Florida vs. Florida State game. Way too much pride at stake for these kids in this game.

Other than that point, thanks for the compliment. I'm fairly confident that I'm pretty objective regarding FSU football...I can't help it after so many years of such awesome highs and such gut-wrenching lows. It's good to know that somene else sees it amid the accusations of homerism that I've recieved here.

By the way, how the hell did you see this letdown for FSU coming tonight? Homecoming, at night, on national television, and with a chance to take the lead in the division? And why didn't you warn me before I made it my largest wager of the day? :^)

 

[jimmyshivers]

Sorry that you went so hard on your team. I really follow this conference and to me this game just screamed 'bad spot' for the 'Noles. No one is strong enough in this conference to be laying a TD against a team as good as BC. I feel pretty good about FSU being the best team in the ACC but they are still too raw to be laying that kind of wood against a good BC team.

I do like FSU alot next week at Maryland. The mental makeup of the terps is that of a team that will give that game away.

 

[Railbird]

IT will be the toughest team florida has played to date.

 

[Mr.Smith]

Hungry home team in a rivalry, who can score points and will be a big dog. I like big home dogs who can score even if their defense is subpar. Its tough to cover off them.

 

[Mr.Smith]

Generally although not completely useless trend, Florida has beaten FSU twice by more than 7 points in Tallahassee in the last 34 years.

that was 1974 and 1984. both were by 10.

People want to give FSU 20 now. OK.

I will take a big stand then. No idea if it will work, but it will happen.

 

[MajorGCG]

FSU's defense is not that good. Let's just get that out there right away. Their stats are padded because they blanked a couple of high school teams in W Carolina and Chattanooga. They just gave up 20pts to BC who's offense is pretty horrible AND BC turned it over 3 times. The Noles gave up 39 to Miami for crying out loud. In the last 7 games they have given up an avg of 26ppg. That's not locking it down. And thats against marginal offensive teams like NCState, VT, BC, and Clemson.

On offense it's the same story it's always been starting with that OL. If you can't block, you can't do much on offense. And in case you were wondering, UF's defense is better than anything FSU has played to date - by a LONG WAY. The closest argument you could make is BC and that didnt turn out too well.

I agree that this line will be relatively high, but will be impacted based on the time (night game will be a lower line IMO). If Florida continues to play as they have, FSU will lose by 4 TDs or more.

 

[mhk]

I will say the same thing here I did in another thread. Blowout, UF on a roll. Takes lots of points to hang with them. Not a Gator backer here, an actual Nole fan, but I am looking at these games. Gator O on a roll, D playing well, special teams are the bomb.. I don't care about games 4 weeks ago, or 4 years ago, talking right now.. You can't compare FSU O or the special teams to UF's, only the D is comparible. One out of three spells blowout, imo.

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

The Florida offense is a joke & it is pathetic that people actually think it is some high complex offense. Their speed makes it look better than it really is.

Oooooooooh Tebrow draw to the left side or to the right. This offensive genius couldn't come up with something better than having a QB run 5+ yards to try & pick up 1.

 

[nd2000]

The Florida offense is a joke & it is pathetic that people actually think it is some high complex offense. Their speed makes it look better than it really is.

Oooooooooh Tebrow draw to the left side or to the right. This offensive genius couldn't come up with something better than having a QB run 5+ yards to try & pick up 1.

I actually agree with this statement entirely. Florida's offensive gameplan is not very hard to figure out. That is why i think a good defensive team with speed, like a USC, would probably take them out.

Florida has dominated a conference this year with abysmal QB play. I have never seen a team get so many easy touchdowns off other team's mistakes. The SEC is really a poor conference this year, but FSU is probably no better than most of the SEC teams, so i'd be stunned if they keep it close.

 

[fivestarjake]

IT will be the toughest team florida has played to date.

outside of ole piss:lol:

 

[VoiceofReason101]

I'll take Ole Miss over FSU in a neutral field

 

[gatorbait08]

The Florida offense is a joke & it is pathetic that people actually think it is some high complex offense. Their speed makes it look better than it really is.

Oooooooooh Tebrow draw to the left side or to the right. This offensive genius couldn't come up with something better than having a QB run 5+ yards to try & pick up 1.

Isnt speed a big part in any teams offense, your right if you take away harvin,demps,rainey,murphy they wouldnt be as good. Lets say florida beats bama and moves on to the nat championship game, if florida's offense is such a joke do you think the mighty sooners or the red raiders will stop them after having a month to plan for them.:missingte

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

Isnt speed a big part in any teams offense, your right if you take away harvin,demps,rainey,murphy they wouldnt be as good. Lets say florida beats bama and moves on to the nat championship game, if florida's offense is such a joke do you think the mighty sooners or the red raiders will stop them after having a month to plan for them.:missingte

USC's defense would smack them around & knock Tebow out of the game.

The offense is a joke as far as how it is schemed & run. I never said the athletes running them were. They are high skilled but they make the offense look better than it really is when you break it down.

 

[MajorGCG]

Knock Tebow out? How many times has that phrase been thrown around and yet there he is...still kicking peoples asses. All you are doing is regurgitating hyperbole.

Who cares what you think about the complexity of the offense? That doesn't make it good or bad. Execution of ANY offense is all that ever matters. SoCal gets a little too much cred IMO. The offenses in the Pac1+9 are horrible this year. Not saying SoCal isn't good - certainly they are. But to spout off saying that they would smack around UF is retarded.

 

[gatorbait08]

Usc has been overrated and overhyped every year since 2003 by espn and all the fans. Remember in 2005 when espn was saying this was the best team ever until they ran into a real team(texas). Everyone thought the same thing about the 2006 ohio st team until they ran into that gimmiky offense of florida.

 

[bigtendominator]

Usc has been overrated and overhyped every year since 2003 by espn and all the fans. Remember in 2005 when espn was saying this was the best team ever until they ran into a real team(texas). Everyone thought the same thing about the 2006 ohio st team until they ran into that gimmiky offense of florida.

Actually if Reggie Bush doesn't lateral the ball USC rolls Texas.

Also, as great as Tebow he is not VY.

 

[MajorGCG]

Tebow is better than VY. Much better passer and leader. Tebow makes everyone around him better.

 

[HinesWard86]

Major GCG,

There is no way that UF is the best defense that FSU will have faced. UF's defense is shaky and has been covered up by the offensive explosions recently.