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Chip have you played ATS all sports for a while?


I've followed them for curiousity purposes but I haven't paid for their service in a while, nor will I ever. While I admit they hit some streaks, believe me, they don't win with any consistency.

However to really get the feel for how sleazy they are, you have to have dealt with them directly.


By the way, great horse selections by ATS. There are four clear cut favorites and they took all four in their five selections. According to the morning lines, there are four horses between 5:2 and 6:1. The next horse is at 15:1. They are clear cut and they took ALL four. They really went out on a limb.

Now I'm not saying that you should just offer longshots in your selections or that they are wrong but their advertising leads you to believe something else as it always does.

They have advertised to me by email and mailing as well as their website:

This year we will break the bank with a longshot winner and boxcar exacta



Unless Hold Me Back comes in 1st, they haven't called a long shot winner. The other four are the four favs.


Keep in mind that what they are suggesting will cost a few hundred dollars. That's fine but I can also guarentee you that if I Want Revenge OR Pioneer of the Nile who they pick 4th and 5th, come in the top two, they will still say they hit the exacta and trifecta.



 

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Davepan

Hey Chip, Davepan already at it with his first request at 8am!

BigEd caught on to what a waste of threads this guy is!


Brady -- did you notice when the shift of requests and comments were transferred to this thread, that Davepan wasn't trasferred but deleted. Could mean the ban took effect and the mods had enough. I hope so.
 

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Me too!

Hope you had the play I sent you last night! Nothing from them tonight big.

I like Ness's plays on the Brewers and Giants and Heat in NBA. His dog play on the Padres is a big fade.
 

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Winning Way Sports (John Fina)

Basketball for April 30, 2009

NBA - 5 units on Atlanta Hawks +5.5 (-110)

aseball for May 1, 2009

MLB - 2.5 units on Philadelphia Phillies (-110)
- Pelfrey & Park
- Action

MLB - 2.5 units on Washington Nationals (-110)
- Wellemeyer & Zimmermann
- Action

MLB - 2.5 units on Cincinnati Reds (+120)
- Arroyo & Duke
- Action

PS - Dont ever buy his plays, I have a lifetime subscription. If you ever need them just ask!

How do you get a lifetime subscription and how is Fina with his plays?
 
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This looks like bookiebashersports releasing his top 100 dime plays on a
-145 fav and a -210 fav in bases.
@):)
GREAT CAPPING THAT TAKES!!!!
Yesterday bookiebasher releases the following plays

50 dime....bulls moneyline -155 W (+50)
100 dime...bluejays +120 L (-100)
100 dime..bluejays RL -170 L (-170)

This guy isn't monitored by parlayhelp.com anymore so watch him start playing these huge favorites. Also he changed his records section so that he is a "numbers jockey" now. Last 20.....last 30 bullshit...to make his record look the best possible.
 

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anyone want to split stu feiners 2500 on nba pick tonight along with three 100 bases. cost you$25
 

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How have they been doing in baseball? Bought their service during football it was ok until the bowls started, basketball was a little weak as well.

I have them at 42-45 +2.5 units

They started terribly and have brought it back to even the last 10 days or so.
 

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Rus - I did see it and thanks for checking it out and responding. I agree we should try to limit the overlaps to the touts if we can.

As far as your inquiry on bases, it is the one sport that if you are going to invest in a tout, I strongly urge you to consider a service that offers a long term package and not the daily guarantee that many services offer. Also the package, if offered should not be just the daily guaranteed picks that are offered each day. It is better from a company that doesn't offer that type of daily sale.

The reason is if the tout is only going to be paid if the pick WINS, where is the incentive to offer a dog. It's obvious the favorites should win SU more than the dogs but will they profit more? A tout isn't concerned if you make money, he just wants to get paid and will offer nearly all favorites in order to accomplish that. I mentioned Ness. He's a perfect example. He picks all favorites except for his underdog of the week, month, and year which all lose.

A long term package company isn't so much worried about getting paid each day so they can afford to try and seek a profit by mixing favorites and dogs. They know if you have a monthly service you will renew if you profit. It's a different mentality to the daily guy.

If I was only going to get paid that day depending on a win or a loss on the call, I'd give favorites too. However, if I have a customer that is already locked in, that pressure is off and I'd try to actually grind out profits with him.

I used to go with Sports Reporter and Winning Points for bases. They did well. Not their newsletter which is informative but not profitable, but their telephone service. California Sports is good too but they seem to exel more in hoops. I used to use these services annually but due to health concerns that I've encountered, my plays have been cut back tremendously and I can't justify buying them at all. Chris James, Stephen Nover, and Alex Smart seem worthy too.

As mentioned above, avoid ATS in all sports!!! Their college football locks are decent but they are awful in everything else. Although I must say they are good at marketing.


I second that statement about ATS LOCK CLUB. AVOID THEM AT ALL COST. The only thing I ever got from them was a all cotton ATS T-shirt in the mail. So if you think a T-shirt is worth paying $2,000 just to lose another $2,000 more than do it. But $4,000 is one hell of an expensive T-shirt.
About their Football Locks, thats the only thing I can Vouch for, thats all they're good for.
They went either 5-, or 6-0 last season, and in the past 5 years there record is like 27-2-1! which is unbelievable.
Do not give them any money unless is next year and they have a Football Lock of the year and I will split the cost with you on those Locks.
Plus, someone already has ATS Baseball Lock Club and they post it everyday in the Service Forum. ATS seems to be doing really good so far but BEWARE!!
 

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as a proud rxmember please cantpickawinner please go to vegastopdogs.com and check out an honest service i do not understand why anyone would go to these touts that have no records pages my rx brothers this is all bs check out vegastopdogs.com you will thank me i wrote this because i just heard two stories one about jim feist the other about joe wiz stop the bs we have had enough on the other hand thanks for posting stat trends arrests etc good luck joe gaffney wc
 

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