As of 4/26 they were up about 3 units on the season (or 9 of their units considering they typically have 3 unit plays.)
I still haven't decided whether they're very good or not. They ended up negative in both college hooops and march madness. Positive in football regular seasons, but sucked in bowls and playoffs. Negative in NBA regular season, and not sure about their NBA playoffs. They're up a little bit in hockey. We'll see how baseball goes...3 units doesn't mean much.
Bases
Rus - I did see it and thanks for checking it out and responding. I agree we should try to limit the overlaps to the touts if we can.
As far as your inquiry on bases, it is the one sport that if you are going to invest in a tout, I strongly urge you to consider a service that offers a long term package and not the daily guarantee that many services offer. Also the package, if offered should not be just the daily guaranteed picks that are offered each day. It is better from a company that doesn't offer that type of daily sale.
The reason is if the tout is only going to be paid if the pick WINS, where is the incentive to offer a dog. It's obvious the favorites should win SU more than the dogs but will they profit more? A tout isn't concerned if you make money, he just wants to get paid and will offer nearly all favorites in order to accomplish that. I mentioned Ness. He's a perfect example. He picks all favorites except for his underdog of the week, month, and year which all lose.
A long term package company isn't so much worried about getting paid each day so they can afford to try and seek a profit by mixing favorites and dogs. They know if you have a monthly service you will renew if you profit. It's a different mentality to the daily guy.
If I was only going to get paid that day depending on a win or a loss on the call, I'd give favorites too. However, if I have a customer that is already locked in, that pressure is off and I'd try to actually grind out profits with him.
I used to go with Sports Reporter and Winning Points for bases. They did well. Not their newsletter which is informative but not profitable, but their telephone service. California Sports is good too but they seem to exel more in hoops. I used to use these services annually but due to health concerns that I've encountered, my plays have been cut back tremendously and I can't justify buying them at all. Chris James, Stephen Nover, and Alex Smart seem worthy too.
As mentioned above, avoid ATS in all sports!!! Their college football locks are decent but they are awful in everything else. Although I must say they are good at marketing.
Rus - I did see it and thanks for checking it out and responding. I agree we should try to limit the overlaps to the touts if we can.
As far as your inquiry on bases, it is the one sport that if you are going to invest in a tout, I strongly urge you to consider a service that offers a long term package and not the daily guarantee that many services offer. Also the package, if offered should not be just the daily guaranteed picks that are offered each day. It is better from a company that doesn't offer that type of daily sale.
The reason is if the tout is only going to be paid if the pick WINS, where is the incentive to offer a dog. It's obvious the favorites should win SU more than the dogs but will they profit more? A tout isn't concerned if you make money, he just wants to get paid and will offer nearly all favorites in order to accomplish that. I mentioned Ness. He's a perfect example. He picks all favorites except for his underdog of the week, month, and year which all lose.
A long term package company isn't so much worried about getting paid each day so they can afford to try and seek a profit by mixing favorites and dogs. They know if you have a monthly service you will renew if you profit. It's a different mentality to the daily guy.
If I was only going to get paid that day depending on a win or a loss on the call, I'd give favorites too. However, if I have a customer that is already locked in, that pressure is off and I'd try to actually grind out profits with him.
I used to go with Sports Reporter and Winning Points for bases. They did well. Not their newsletter which is informative but not profitable, but their telephone service. California Sports is good too but they seem to exel more in hoops. I used to use these services annually but due to health concerns that I've encountered, my plays have been cut back tremendously and I can't justify buying them at all. Chris James, Stephen Nover, and Alex Smart seem worthy too.
As mentioned above, avoid ATS in all sports!!! Their college football locks are decent but they are awful in everything else. Although I must say they are good at marketing.
Jordan from ATS
So you've had the "displeasure" of dealing with Jordan at ATS too. I can't stress it enough, a big sleaze bag but I can't just pin point him. They are all like that. Pretend to be your friend, constantly try to get you to upgrade, and keep giving you loser after loser until you do upgrade. Then when you "upgrade", you lose even more.
Then after say five days of losses, they sweep the board ONE NIGHT and you are told about how they killed the books by phone, email and mailings.
They once told me how a $250 better would be up over $20 K with them in the first month alone. I called them out on it because their plays were being posted on the forums. Turns out, they were counting the nights they won. The nights they lost they "discounted". And even on the winning nights, they didn't factor in any juice. Now where can I find a book who will discount my losing nights and not factor in the juice when I win a night? Nowhere but that's how ATS grades their plays.
To top it off, they always seem to get a total that no one else can get. They may play the over at ten when the rest of us must play the real line of say, 11 1/2. ATS, gotta enjoy their amusement.
So you've had the "displeasure" of dealing with Jordan at ATS too. I can't stress it enough, a big sleaze bag but I can't just pin point him. They are all like that. Pretend to be your friend, constantly try to get you to upgrade, and keep giving you loser after loser until you do upgrade. Then when you "upgrade", you lose even more.
Then after say five days of losses, they sweep the board ONE NIGHT and you are told about how they killed the books by phone, email and mailings.
They once told me how a $250 better would be up over $20 K with them in the first month alone. I called them out on it because their plays were being posted on the forums. Turns out, they were counting the nights they won. The nights they lost they "discounted". And even on the winning nights, they didn't factor in any juice. Now where can I find a book who will discount my losing nights and not factor in the juice when I win a night? Nowhere but that's how ATS grades their plays.
To top it off, they always seem to get a total that no one else can get. They may play the over at ten when the rest of us must play the real line of say, 11 1/2. ATS, gotta enjoy their amusement.
