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RPM - Though I think responding to your hysterical posts can lead to no good I will play along for one more post. You really want to know why don't I respect you? LOL!! Don't cry if I tell you then. Stop me when I am wrong about something or you can think of a way that it isn't your fault. I am sure somehow I am responsible. If nothing else you can say I have an "agenda" against you so none of it counts, LOL. Though none of these things are necessarily big things in the scheme of life they show what sort of person you are. At least in my opinion they do. Just being honest as you asked me to be since some of the newer posters may not remember the old RPM.

I was always nice to you in the sports forums as you say because that's how you treated me. Somewhere along the line you were told by Free-Picks.com you would have a job as a moderator if the traffic "picked up" over there. You started here in your new project by adding their website to your sig line here. Response was minimal. Then you told everyone here about a contest the site over there was having. Posted it right out on the forums. When the mods called you on it you got real mad and said "if the Rx was concerned about the players why would you not let me let the posters know about a contest somewhere else! Could be free money for them! Aren't you open here to help the players?!!" Remember this? I do because you e-mailed me almost every day to go to the new site. Without dragging this out too long soon that forum sucked and never got off the ground even with your best efforts, LOL. While you were over there you never stopped bashing the hell out of this place. Of course things fell apart and even recently you complained they still owed you $50 for your hard work there. LOL. Like the Rx before you Free-Picks had done you wrong and deserved to be bashed.
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From there you went to MajorWager and made some posts. Now you weren't only bashing the RX you were now also bashing Free-Picks. This went on for a while. When Russ over there said something negative about the RX I will always remember your reply. "You are a man after my own heart! You and I will get along great Russ, we both hate the RX". Time went on and through it all I remained silent though I thought this guy changes his mind on things depending on which way the wind blows. Or at least depending on where he can make a buck. Even when I was forced to read how you were a self proclaimed proven winner and had hit anywhere from 68% to 71% in capping football for 4 years I didn't call you on it though I knew that was bullshit. Everyone did and in fact we all laughed about it. I think the thread is around if you are interested or doubt me. Turns out these were claims that just recently you admitted you were lying about. Like we would have never known huh? I give you credit for admitting you were lying but I have to say we knew all along RPM.
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Also along this time is when Joe called you out on your using aliases to prop yourself up in the pick forums. I can't remember for sure but the names were Juice and Duece I believe. You would post a pick and then the other two guys (all which were you) would come in and say things like "man that RPM is the greatest handicapper around"! Anything to get you noticed. At first you were outraged and denied using them, you said something about they were friends of yours but that was all. Eventually after this went on a while you finally broke down and admitted it. "I was doing so good capping games I just wanted people to notice me. Seems likes no matter how much I won no would even respond to me so I made up Juice and Duece". This is not speculation, this was all out in the open and everyone here that was a member had a chance to read about it. Surely you remember this RPM, how can you deny it? It gets better though. After all this and you admitting it you later backtracked and denied it all over again!!! LOL. Even after you admitted you lied about them at first you finally came clean, now you are saying you lied about them being you afterall!?!!? LOL. Which is it? This last time you claimed they really weren't me, I just said that to make Joe happy. LOL. So your position is they were not aliases again RPM? Probably just big fans of yours huh? Where does this end RPM? Still I never said a word about any of this to you. I had plenty of chances to bust your chops on this but I never once attacked you over it. Wasn't until the RX needed mods and you went after me to help your cause that I got fed up with your little games. I could see your bashings of the RX had stopped suddenly and now they were the best thing since sliced bread again, I knew something was up. You aren't exactly a smooth operator, it's easy to see what your next move is or what direction you are heading in. Let me explain further....

As I said now the bashings from you were about Free Picks but the RX was okay again with you, I had a feeling something was going on. One day I posted something about the RX over at MajorWager that I was unhappy about. No big deal but something I felt needed to be addressed. Out of the blue you came in to attack me for saying it. Honest to God I had no idea anything specifically was up at the time but made the comment then, "sounds almost like you are trying to be a moderator over at the RX". I could see you were then bashing Free-Picks and now MajorWager. Your answer was that was the stupidest post you had ever read. This surprised me RPM as like you say I had always remained quiet through all your little games and how you bashed each place you left. I asked like a man, if you disagree the best way to do it is something like "I disagree Patrick with what you wrote and here it why....." People will respect you if you disagree with them that way, that's what Dante and the other mods do for the most part. Because of that most people respect them even when they disagree with the poster. You won't get far telling anyone "that was the stupidest thing you had ever read" like you like to say to people. Trust me you are far from an Ivy Leaguer yourself sir. Oh and then the funniest thing I ever saw happen just a little while after that, RPM was indeed soon announced as a new moderator at the RX. LOL. Who'd have ever thunk it or seen that one coming!!!?

In all this I don't really care about any of it. I admit I lost respect for you as I saw you bash site after site always looking to get something for your newfound loyalty. You stand out as a moderator here to me because you were always a piss poor poster to begin with. You bashed the hell out of MW so they eventually brought you in as a moderator here at the RX. More of that stuff that it's not what you do but who you will bash that decides how useful you are here. If I was a betting man I would wager one day you will probably be bashing this site once again. And in fact your repeated lying about your success capping games and making up aliases doesn't bother me much either. However you never know when to stop. Even after the "stupidest post ever" comment you made you soon made a point to say the exact same thing to me again over here. Apparently just for the hell of it. No reason why, just that I wrote the stupidest thing you had ever read. Seems a common theme from you to me yet you still have to ask why I don't respect you? The RX has you here IMO only because you will bash whoever they want you to bash. Right now since I am trying to get productive things done to help players you are all over me. Why? I have to bring up things that are not flattering for your boss so you are here to "discourage" me from posting. If you bring up how I am repeating myself over and over about your books going down than maybe no one else will listen either. If you say I have brought up NAB 25 times than maybe that will mean there is not point in bringing it up 26 times. Instead of getting answers we get threads that disappear somehow without explanation and claims of people having secret agendas to hurt the RX when they say anything bad here. Could it ever be that people are just concerned about this place of late? Apparently anything is better than using a little elbow grease and tackling some of the issues here head on. I go back and forth from being a "highly respected poster" to a man with an agenda, depends on if I prop this place or not. Shouldn't be that way. Bottom line we are finding out is over here anyone that says bad things about the people across the street is welcomed with wide open arms. Much more important than anything else a man can offer up. Another thing everyone knows but few will post about. Why bother, like Ken's deal with Sting we all know the real deal on why he writes what he writes. I like JJ but he berated this place every way known to man, however when Ken saw he was against MW suddenly he was hailed as a hero here. You don't think posters recognize this RPM? You are here not because what you bring to the table but because you will bash who needs to be bashed. And that is anyone that ever dare to seek to make things better here by asking tough questions and demanding some answers. Like JJ, Railbird or anyone else, anybody can say the right things and be in great here. Because of that you won't have many people resect this place for long if it doesn't change. If you don't stand for anything you will fall for everything. I prefer to speak out on what I see fairly and honestly without regard to "who's side I am taking" or who will bash me for saying it. Doesn't alway smake me popular but I will continue to try and give these forums a chance to do the right thing and give them my honest opinions. This place has been sliding the wrong way for a while now, I'd love to see it reversed as I like it here. I used to have this place as #1 by far, now it's a fun place to hang out but a joke as far as a real watchdog site for us players. Sorry but that is the truth.

In closing not to be ugly but these are pretty much facts about you RPM. If you ask me I will tell you what my thoughts are. I don't run around telling others not to like or respect you RPM. I have no agenda against you other than a personal feeling about you based on what I have seen. To me RPM was an admitted liar that got banned from here at one point. He was caught making aliases to build himself up and admitted to it. He recruited players off this forum and directed them to other sites. He talked poorly of this place everywhere he went. Now that he is here and will say the right things suddenly he is now a highly respected moderator. LOL. Anyway even besides that I never respect people who only like me if I say what they want me to say. If Ken liked me tomorrow and I was "friends" with the site again you would be okay with me too RPM. If Ken is mad at me than you are upset with me as well and are ready to attack me. Sorry RPM but like everything I wrote here that does not make me respect you in anyway. Good luck with your career here, you have a good chance to go far if things don't change here. As long as how much you are contributing is based on how far you will go to protect Ken's backside you will go far. If they ever want any real input on improving things or original thoughts from their employees you won't be of much use here. 'Nuff said.

[This message was edited by Patrick McIrish on May 20, 2003 at 01:10 AM.]
 

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patrick,

your post was exactly what i expected. other than telling you to grow a set, i didnt bash you at all.

I ADDRESSED THE ISSUES YOU POSTED ABOUT.

YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT WAS NOTHING BUT A NOVEL BASHING ME. i never asked you if you respected me, yet that was the whole topic of your post.

again you made accusations about the bodog thread, but somehow you must have read selectively when i posted this issues regarding that topic.

my reason for being part of the rx is FAR from your opinion that im here to be a "basher". i suck at flaming people.


in my last post i asked you "NOW THE QUESTION IS, CAN YOU DISCUSS THIS LIKE A MAN, OR WILL YOU EITHER IGNORE MY RESPONSE, OR GO BACK TO SLINGING SHIT?

thanks for answering that question with your post. i think its quite obvious what your character is like.


THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CONSTANT CRITISISM, AND CONSTRUCTIVE CRITISISM MCIRISH. like i said, all you do is throw the same three topics (things that are history, and cant be changed) in the faces of people here. you NEVER offer any suggestions for improvement.

here is a question for you, IF YOU HAVE NO AGENDA HERE, WHY IS IT YOU DONT BASH OTHER SITES YOU POST AT FOR EVER SPONSORING A BOOK THAT WENT DOWN?

at the very least i think the posters here should be warned what your agenda is.

btw, i hear you are mostly a credit player now. who helped you get set up like that....major?
 

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This site's record with new advertisers, especially over the past several months, is abysmal. A new sportsbook advertiser on The Prescription is like a new crew member in an original Star Trek episode--it's not a question if they're going out feet first, but when.

The forum is replete with shills who steer the unwary to scam books (Prime Time, NAB) so they can collect referral bonuses, or merely extract their own deposits.

When skeptical, inquisitive posters--such as Patrick McIrish, Megladon and Samurai--speak out on behalf of players, they're routinely bashed. Honorable books like Olympic and All World are trashed and even falsely accused of slow pay, while a Wagersparadise receives kudos and NAB's Lance/bill gets his own forum (no criticism allowed) so he can verbally abuse the clients he's stiffing.

I can't comprehend why the few highly reputable books on this site would continue to advertise alongside an endless parade of stiffs.

There's no chance I'll ever send a penny to any book touted here, unless it's widely known to already have a spotless record of integrity and timely payouts dating back several years.
 

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dog8myhomework,

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Dog - I appreciate the comments I really do. I get a lot of positive things sent to me in e-mails and most want stuff done but don't want to be seen as rocking the boat on these sites. In a way I don't blame them for that. However when someone speaks out here and will risk being painted as having an agenda I appreciate it very much. Thank you sir.


What's funny about what you said as far as the advertisers go is many agree with you now. Shouldn't be that way. In fact some that have lots of experience told me to lay off as they use this site to alert them to the next book who may potentially have cash flow problems. It almost breaks my heart to see how far this place has fallen and no one here to speak up. All the things I say here are things people are worried about, yet to Ken they are useless and discarded as though I am only interested in bashing his prized site.
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RPM - sorry if that offends you, wasn't a personal attack. You asked me to tell you why I don't respect you so I told you. Is any of that not true? Maybe that is why I don't get asked many questions around here, I tend to be honest.

My motto is why lie when the truth works just as good.
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One of the most prolific comments I have ever read on the boards-

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Because of that you won't have many people resect this place for long if it doesn't change. If you don't stand for anything you will fall for everything "
 

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pat,

i never asked you why you dont respect me. i could care less what you think of me.


so ill ask you again, you want to be a man and discuss the issues?

like you say, great minds discuss issues, little minds discuss people. thats YOUR comment, i guess we see what you want to discuss
 

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Of course I would like to discuss the issues. Tell you what, I will adress your specific comments about Olympic and the BoDog thread plus give an honest appraisal of the entire site. Is that what you want? In return can we get some straight answers? Be happy to do it from my end. Then you can tell me what you don't agree with and I will tell you what I don't agree with. Probably do it around noon tomorrow after my swim. Deal?

If nothing else I can feel like I made a determined effort to speak on things here. We need good watchdog sites like the RX, all of us players need them badly. Be more than happy to try and help.....
 

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sounds just fine to me.

btw, when you throw those olympic posts in my face, im going to make you look like an ass. because im going to post the ones where i was supporting olympic at the time.

also, try to add some facts to your accusations. or at least reference what is your OPINION.

fire away.
 

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Throw the Olympic posts in your face? That would be nothing on my list RPM. All I did in that fiasco was try and tell you to stop and think about where Spiro was coming from. On the busiest day of the week for a book you guys demanded he answer an allegation from VEGA that he was owed $80,000 on the same day. In fairness to you and Peep you guys weren't sure it was Vega at first but come on, that's why I told you to stay out of it until all the facts are presented. Peep even admitted later he understood why that would piss Spiro off which would explain the nasty e-mail. In fact there was more to that story that came out which I won't post here but that was brought out on the board.

I don't think Peep acted poorly on that but was no area for you to get involved in. But as usual you have to jump in and attack anyone that says anything poorly about this place. Think for yourself!! That is why it gets frustrating here talking to Ken. Before we get an answer we get attacked and taken off the subject before something can get resolved. Ken told Joe he would have an answer on BoDog and it had been 2 months before finally the thread just disappeared. You don't see anything wrong with that RPM?? This is a watchdog site here to help players. That was an important thread, now it is gone. The thread to ask about that thread being gone is now buried back on page 4 I think as well. On the Olympic thing all I said to you was wait till all the facts are in! You aren't helping matters by jumping his ass! Here you were a moderator for 3 weeks calling Spiro names out in the forums. What purpose did that serve? Anyway I was not planning on bringing that up to be honest with you. The fact Olympic is not here speaks volumes on that one already. I actually blame Vega for that more than anyone else, not you. All you did like always is pile on without knowing what the hell is going on....

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i did, and still do think for myself patrick. that is why i posted what i posted.

imo there was no reason for him to react like that. i called that a bullshit post from the word go and supported olympic. then, in return was told about the nasty email. it pissed me off. i said my piece. anyone didnt like it... so what.

you said you were going to address my comments about olympic and bodog. so be it. i look forward to actually having a conversation with you without you turning it into an "attack rpm: thread.
 

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jesus patrick, quit adding stuff to your posts.

for the record, i am VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE BODOG THREAD.

i have posted a couple times asking for info about it so i can look for it.

im telling you, that thread is still around, but buried somewhere out of order by date.

did you look at the contest forum? the dates for the whole WEEK of the server move are out of whack.

why cant you acknowelege the same thing could have happened to the bodog thread, AND HELP ME FIND IT!!!!

instead of yelling foul with no fact to base it on.
 

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patrick,

you say i didnt know what was going on in the olympic situation? i knew exactly what was going on. want proof?
 

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see patrick, what i dont like is the fact that you WERE IN AD BOARD at the time, and YOU KNOW the truth, yet you tell a different story now.
 

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Okay good. I'll put my post up tomorrow and we can go from there. If you really think for yourself and you are comfortable in saying what you think it will be a pleasure to hear. I don't blame an employee for being loyal to where they work, I really don't. All I ask is not to try and discredit a poster based on what he is saying or pile on him needlessly. If you disagree tell him why. If you agree and can't say anything out of fear of losing your job than remain quiet. Running interference for Ken while this place sinks lower and lower does no one any good.....

In fact I will start a new thread on this topic tomorrow. Looking forward to it if we can keep the bashing out.
 

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no reason to clutter the forum. this is the thread to discuss it in.

please post in here.
 
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thanks "wendy"... Valuable stuff.

Not Fred, but, a good imitation..
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Wow, this is interesting stuff... NASA should be so lucky to have such concerned supporters..
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Gotta watch "Lucky"... TIVO ya know... Not sure i have a fuking clue how it works yet, but, i think i am on the right track..
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I'd rather start a new one so others can see it and respond if so inclined. This thread went nowhere as it was titled Shrink sux, no one wanted to participate in that. Most people like Ken, just feel he can do better. Anyway can't see why it would be a problem to start a new thread?

That's it for now I am dog tired. Good night men, appreciate the talk.
 

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